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thebigt said:
the younger generation is not only critical, they consider the constitution invalid since it was crafted by slave owners....your thoughts?
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Although, that is an interesting point. Hmm, I'll have to think on that one for a bit.

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kind of ironic when the king of liberalism [alan dershowitz] gets protested for speaking at Berkeley, lol....the times, they be a changing!!!
 
thebigt said:
kind of ironic when the king of liberalism [alan dershowitz] gets protested for speaking at Berkeley, lol....the times, they be a changing!!!
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It's ironic when a liberal gets protested? I would think that would give you more hope in the academic system.
 
Or when Ben Shapiro gets called a Nazi and White Supremecist while sporting his yarmulke. Too much
 
thebigt said:
the younger generation is not only critical, they consider the constitution invalid since it was crafted by slave owners....your thoughts?
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I think your partially right, I totally get what your saying. Keep in mind there is a growing movement in the Ron Paul Revolution which is probably the one of the few Constitution movements currently flowing.

Anybody of all ages who voted for a Demicans or Republicrats by their actions (not by their words, actions is the only thing that counts) doesnt consider the Constitution valid, do they?

That covers generations from youth to middle aged to seniors.....middle aged to seniors seniors who need to take accountability for voting in for politicians that have consistently pissed on and destroyed the foundation of our country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the name of security, socialism, illegal wars and other things.

I havent seen evidence that the majority of middle aged and seniors consider the Constitution valid along with the youth your concerned about.
 
AE14 said:
Or when Ben Shapiro gets called a Nazi and White Supremecist while sporting his yarmulke. Too much
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ben shapiro is a very clever guy, one of the best debater's around, imo.
 
thebigt said:
ben shapiro is a very clever guy, one of the best debater's around, imo.
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Agreed. I don’t agree with him on the religious aspect even though I am Jewish as well. However, he is very quick and provides valid studies and statistics to support his stance. Watching him debate on college campuses is hilarious. Some of my favorite you tube videos.
 
ax1 said:
I think your partially right, I totally get what your saying. Keep in mind there is a growing movement in the Ron Paul Revolution which is probably the one of the few Constitution movements currently flowing.

Anybody of all ages who voted for a Demicans or Republicrats by their actions (not by their words, actions is the only thing that counts) doesnt consider the Constitution valid, do they?

That covers generations from youth to middle aged to seniors.....middle aged to seniors seniors who need to take accountability for voting in for politicians that have consistently pissed on and destroyed the foundation of our country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the name of security, socialism, illegal wars and other things.

I havent seen evidence that the majority of middle aged and seniors consider the Constitution valid along with the youth your concerned about.
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I understand what you are saying...my point is that the young generation is so radical that even liberals won't be able to get on board...

we used to call it the generation gap...but these kids are way more organized!!!
 
AE14 said:
Agreed. I don’t agree with him on the religious aspect even though I am Jewish as well. However, he is very quick and provides valid studies and statistics to support his stance. Watching him debate on college campuses is hilarious. Some of my favorite you tube videos.
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I don't always agree with him either, but more times than not I do....the guy is an encyclopedia of facts and statistics!!!
 
thebigt said:
I understand what you are saying...my point is that the young generation is so radical that even liberals won't be able to get on board...

we used to call it the generation gap...but these kids are way more organized!!!
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Not a single one was born into a Constitutional Republic or understands what the benefits of a free society are. They have never experienced living under our Constitution. They are brainwashed by adults (mostly the government and its special interests) as well. The best we can do is reach out to them and try to inform them about it and the benefits of living in a free society.

We handed them all a big government ses-pool and thats all they know. They dont respect the Constitution because they dont know what that is lol.

The internet age has changed the way people group together, they dont have to meet in a room somewhere they organize and recruit everywhere. Its hard to tack and control. You should see what China has been doing to control this, its coming to America soon too. If the individual internet grade comes to America we are ALL screwed.
 
CJNator said:
The issue isn't the critical analysis, it's the democracy. A majority shouldn't dictate rule, only one should if he is to get to the top accordingly, not through nepotism or cronyism. Blind allegiance is foolish but many blindly align themselves with "free thinking" ideas that don't work with reality, these people should not have the power to dictate rule. They aren't entitled to anything. If everyone blindly align themselves with their nation at least their society would be stable, depending on the rule of law.

If people stand for purely ideas and not their nation they live for nothing but ideas. If people can't understand reality, war, and all things horrible yet necessary with reality they should not have any word in the rule of law.
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So, you think monarchy is the best political system? Or fascism?

Machiavelli, is that you?
 
lets say....a group of Walmart employees[lets make them 80% black/20% white] get together on social media and decide to protest trump...they decide to all wear pins to work that say's trump is a racist. it catches on and a civil rights group decides to buy the pins and promises to defend their [right to free speech].

20% of total Walmart employees nation wide show up to work wearing 'trump is a racist' pins.


interesting, eh?
 
thebigt said:
I understand what you are saying...my point is that the young generation is so radical that even liberals won't be able to get on board...

we used to call it the generation gap...but these kids are way more organized!!!
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What’s the difference between the crazies and radicals today such as BLM and especially Antifa and crazies and radicals of the 60s such as Communists, kkk, black panther party, fascists, Ayers, etc...back then? Didn’t many of them also have extremies that their own mainstream followings broke away from? Isn’t this stuff always going on?
 
ax1 said:
What’s the difference between the crazies and radicals today such as BLM and especially Antifa and crazies and radicals of the 60s such as Communists, kkk, black panther party, fascists, Ayers, etc...back then? Didn’t many of them also have extremies that their own mainstream followings broke away from? Isn’t this stuff always going on?
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I think the difference is the young people then were creating a movement... It was them and them alone.The young people today are being taught by the generation that was in the 60 s and 70 s.... A lot of these young kids today protesting and all that don't even really know what they're protesting or standing for imo. It almost seems as they're is this divisive spirit that is teaching the youth to do it simply because they can. To me the NFL is a perfect example of that. One guy refuses to stand and gets all this attention so now more are doing it. And to me you have now young and old alike standing so far apart from what the country has been founded on and stood for for so long. Its definitely a bigger deal now imo because its a lot larger population than just the youth.
 
ax1 said:
What’s the difference between the crazies and radicals today such as BLM and especially Antifa and crazies and radicals of the 60s such as Communists, kkk, black panther party, fascists, Ayers, etc...back then? Didn’t many of them also have extremies that their own mainstream followings broke away from? Isn’t this stuff always going on?
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Nothing is different. Bill Ayers and his radical crowd are still at work, and now there's a new generation doing the street level work. Same ideology and playbook.
 
youngandfree said:
Nothing is different. Bill Ayers and his radical crowd are still at work, and now there's a new generation doing the street level work. Same ideology and playbook.
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And because they don't share your political views they are radicals and don't have the right to peacably assemble? haven't heard of any bombings or anything associated with these recent protests, have you?
 
ax1 said:
What’s the difference between the crazies and radicals today such as BLM and especially Antifa and crazies and radicals of the 60s such as Communists, kkk, black panther party, fascists, Ayers, etc...back then? Didn’t many of them also have extremies that their own mainstream followings broke away from? Isn’t this stuff always going on?
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the difference between then and now in a nutshell is I-PHONES and social media...like zztop says, nationwide!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
And because they don't share your political views they are radicals and don't have the right to peacably assemble? haven't heard of any bombings or anything associated with these recent protests, have you?
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do you think it is possible?

maybe not bombings but I have seen 'peaceful assemblies' turn into riots....
 
Misfit28 said:
I agree. The dynamics have changed considerably with the advent of the internet, mobile devices and the 24 hour news cycle.
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yup...a mob can be assembled in a matter of minutes. many of whom don't care what the cause is, it's just the 'cool' thing to do....trust me, many in my generation were caught up in the cool thing to do also, but we were light years behind on organization.


the scariest thing to me is the young radicals today are smater about technology than the authorities....they have learned that posting on facebook is stupid, they have found other outlets that can't be so easily traced back to them...

don't they have something that disappears off the net after so many minutes or something like that---these kids are very clever and seem to have a quick learning curve.
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh, like the alt right ****ebags?
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geez, alt right....the alt right loonies such as the klan and Nazi's are more heavily surveiled than muslim terrorists.

combine all the 'alt right' together and you couldn't fill a high school gymnasium.....how many speeches have the alt right shut down?
 
thebigt said:
geez, alt right....the alt right loonies such as the klan and Nazi's are more heavily surveiled than muslim terrorists.

combine all the 'alt right' together and you couldn't fill a high school gymnasium.....how many speeches have the alt right shut down?
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So now there aren't many alt right. Ok, sure.
 
thebigt said:
the difference between then and now in a nutshell is I-PHONES and social media...like zztop says, nationwide!!!
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And that’s my biggest concern...I’m not saying these groups aren’t a concern but the far greater concern is government using this to justify illegal NSA spying and further expanding powers and restricting the internet which Dump has openly showed interest in doing. If we let them have their way we all lose.

In the end people are getting distracted from bigger and more relevant issues.
 
thebigt said:
yup...a mob can be assembled in a matter of minutes. many of whom don't care what the cause is, it's just the 'cool' thing to do....trust me, many in my generation were caught up in the cool thing to do also, but we were light years behind on organization.


the scariest thing to me is the young radicals today are smater about technology than the authorities....they have learned that posting on facebook is stupid, they have found other outlets that can't be so easily traced back to them...

don't they have something that disappears off the net after so many minutes or something like that---these kids are very clever and seem to have a quick learning curve.
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It’s really easy to use the dark web....I’m talking beyond vpn.
 
thebigt said:
geez, alt right....the alt right loonies such as the klan and Nazi's are more heavily surveiled than muslim terrorists.

combine all the 'alt right' together and you couldn't fill a high school gymnasium.....how many speeches have the alt right shut down?
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Who do you think is watching them? Their god is running the government. Bannon's pet, Milo the pedophile supporter alone has over 2 million facebook followers. If you're going to have an honest conversation about what is happening in the youth of today, then you need to not just brush off the alt-right. It's not just the super obvious Nazi and KKK morons anymore. Both sides use the internet.
 
Misfit28 said:
And because they don't share your political views they are radicals and don't have the right to peacably assemble? haven't heard of any bombings or anything associated with these recent protests, have you?
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Antifa isn't peaceful. And the aren't on the right.

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Misfit28 said:
So, you think monarchy is the best political system? Or fascism?

Machiavelli, is that you?

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What would you call the best system? For me if it would work economically and socially for the working class then I'm all for it. Yea I'd say fascism would be the best system. Japan was doing good until they got nuked twice. Britain was a fascist state during WW2. Yes there was fascist Italy but having opposing government with different agendas isn't abnormal.
 
Misfit28 said:
So, you think monarchy is the best political system? Or fascism?

Machiavelli, is that you?

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What would you call the best system? For me if it would work economically and socially for the working class then I'm all for it. Yea I'd say fascism would be the best system. Japan was doing good until they got nuked twice. Britain was a fascist state during WW2. Yes there was fascist Italy but having opposing government with different agendas isn't abnormal. Destroying private interest in the government is essential, therefore the government must dictate all yet people still need to participate in the government to ensure that the government is doing right by them.
 
CJNator said:
What would you call the best system? For me if it would work economically and socially for the working class then I'm all for it. Yea I'd say fascism would be the best system. Japan was doing good until they got nuked twice. Britain was a fascist state during WW2. Yes there was fascist Italy but having opposing government with different agendas isn't abnormal. Destroying private interest in the government is essential, therefore the government must dictate all yet people still need to participate in the government to ensure that the government is doing right by them.
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That’s not the best system because I’ll be sure to lead the revolution to destroy it :)
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Who do you think is watching them? Their god is running the government. Bannon's pet, Milo the pedophile supporter alone has over 2 million facebook followers. If you're going to have an honest conversation about what is happening in the youth of today, then you need to not just brush off the alt-right. It's not just the super obvious Nazi and KKK morons anymore. Both sides use the internet.
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get over it...I don't think for one minute trump has control over the fbi, or any other intelligence service....hell they are investigating him!!!

I will ask you the same question...who is the alt right?
 
thebigt said:
get over it...I don't think for one minute trump has control over the fbi, or any other intelligence service....hell they are investigating him!!!

I will ask you the same question...who is the alt right?
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What am I supposed to get over? The FBI is investigating him huh? Just like they were Hillary.

As for who the alt right is, I gave you an example. The list is huge, but let's start with the groups that have bragged about being alt right. Google your heart out.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
What am I supposed to get over? The FBI is investigating him huh? Just like they were Hillary.

As for who the alt right is, I gave you an example. The list is huge, but let's start with the groups that have bragged about being alt right. Google your heart out.
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everyone who doesn't agree with you, lol!!!!
 
thebigt said:
everyone who doesn't agree with you, lol!!!!
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Not at all. There are people who claim alt right is anything that disagrees with them just as Trump and his disciples now refer to anything that doesn't agree with them as alt left. I'm not one of them. So are we having a discussion or not?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Not at all. There are people who claim alt right is anything that disagrees with them just as Trump and his disciples now refer to anything that doesn't agree with them as alt left. I'm not one of them. So are we having a discussion or not?
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Trumps disciples? Lol now your just making stuff up
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Not at all. There are people who claim alt right is anything that disagrees with them just as Trump and his disciples now refer to anything that doesn't agree with them as alt left. I'm not one of them. So are we having a discussion or not?
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I guess I just have a bad taste in my mouth from Hillary calling all of trump's supporters a basketful of deplorables, and now mrs Obama calling out women who voted for trump.

I don't agree with those who voted for Obama or Hillary, but I support their right to choose them...I mean the democrats are caught up in this freedom of speech thing, shouldn't they support the right to vote for whoever you chose to?
 
thebigt said:
I guess I just have a bad taste in my mouth from Hillary calling all of trump's supporters a basketful of deplorables, and now mrs Obama calling out women who voted for trump.

I don't agree with those who voted for Obama or Hillary, but I support their right to choose them...I mean the democrats are caught up in this freedom of speech thing, shouldn't they support the right to vote for whoever you chose to?
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Yes, I've never denied that or said I was a democrat. Many of them are hypocrites too.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You realize Christianity doesn't have a trademark on that word, right? Keep trying though!
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Your really grasping for straws bro, Christianity has nothing to do with it.... You must be desperate to try and bring in Christianity lol. Are you gonna attack me now for my belief? Oh and you guys push for toleration ?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Yes, I've never denied that or said I was a democrat. Many of them are hypocrites too.
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to be honest there are many things about trump I don't like, but even with that said, his policies[not words]are more in line with mine than the democrat alternative. although sometimes I wish he would just shut up .....


looking back, I would prefer bill Clinton over shumer and Pelosi, and Maxine waters!!!
 
thebigt said:
to be honest there are many things about trump I don't like, but even with that said, his policies[not words]are more in line with mine than the democrat alternative. although sometimes I wish he would just shut up .....


looking back, I would prefer bill Clinton over shumer and Pelosi, and Maxine waters!!!
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If I'm gonna be completely honest it was a lose lose situation for us... it's an accurate but sad depiction of the state of our country that we would nominate Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to lead both parties. Got to wonder how the rest of the world saw all that... honestly it's kind of embarrassing to be an American right now
 
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