Test prop and Tren ace

I would say no, but for different reasons than what Chados might be saying.

There are a few mechanisms of action that lead to accelerated fat loss. Increase in density and activation of beta-adrenergic receptors, increase in L-Carnitine capacity/shuttle & favorable nutrient partitioning effects (less fat accrual and more muscle accrual).

Steroids address increasing beta-andreneric receptor density & favorable nutrient partitioning. The others need something else to accelerate fat loss.

Fat burners tend to increase activity of beta receptors, which is why stuff like Clen and Ephedrine work so well at burning fat while on Tren because Tren will increase beta receptors for the fat burner to bind to, thus creating a sort of additive synergy to fat burning.

L-Carnitine quickly becomes the bottleneck. Problem with this is that oral L-Carn does not work hardly at all. You need to inject it and you need to have large CHO meals with it to utilize insulin for maximal uptake into muscle cells. Synthetek sells a high quality L-Carn IM injection preparation. It works.

So I'd recommend three things:

Synthetek L-Carn and Synthetek Syntheselen taken together, 2-3cc of each every day or EOD. You'll love it other than the pincushion effect from daily or EOD injections. Water based so you have options to use it however you wish.

The third category of product would simply be Yohimine HCI + Ipamorelin or Frag HGH in the morning, fasted, 60 min prior to a 30min session of cardio and Ephedrine @ 25mg pre-WO in evening (or whenever you train). GHRP's take a full 90min to dump large portions of fatty acid into the blood so if you go that route, be sure to time cardio accordingly.

This combo will ensure that you are attacking fat loss from every angle but liposuction/fat freezing.

A reminder of the specific goals behind fat loss:

1) avoid increasing fat storage by reducing meal size and controlling blood sugar (insulin helps dramatically in this category)

2) increase nutrient partitioning and increase basal metabolic activity with steroids such as Test and Tren (can increase metabolism by as much as 7-10%)

3) increase beta-adrenergic receptor density with steroids such as Test, Tren and any DHT-based steroid

4) increase beta-adrenergic receptor activity with fat burners such as Clen, Albuterol, Ephedrine, etc

5) increase L-Carnitine shuttle with L-Carn IM supplementation to saturate muscles with carnitine in order to fully utilize the other supraphysiological scenarios of fat burning.

6) do some cardio

As far as waistline spot reduction, while I do believe you can do some spot reduction, I dont think it should ever be the specific goal to a fat loss strategy. Do the other things above and the body will pull fat from the most fat-dense areas first, namely, the waistline.
 
Please stop this nonsense. you are flat out wrong and carrying this over from the var topic. winny and var are not the same at all. you are entitled to your opinion tho, as wrong as it may be.

So have you actually tried winstrol? I would say they are very close. Small gains, lean quality mass and winstrol being more effective at It. If you haven't used it don't start some stupid argument again.
 
I would say no, but for different reasons than what Chados might be saying.

There are a few mechanisms of action that lead to accelerated fat loss. Increase in density and activation of beta-adrenergic receptors, increase in L-Carnitine capacity/shuttle & favorable nutrient partitioning effects (less fat accrual and more muscle accrual).

Steroids address increasing beta-andreneric receptor density & favorable nutrient partitioning. The others need something else to accelerate fat loss.

Fat burners tend to increase activity of beta receptors, which is why stuff like Clen and Ephedrine work so well at burning fat while on Tren because Tren will increase beta receptors for the fat burner to bind to, thus creating a sort of additive synergy to fat burning.

L-Carnitine quickly becomes the bottleneck. Problem with this is that oral L-Carn does not work hardly at all. You need to inject it and you need to have large CHO meals with it to utilize insulin for maximal uptake into muscle cells. Synthetek sells a high quality L-Carn IM injection preparation. It works.

So I'd recommend three things:

Synthetek L-Carn and Synthetek Syntheselen taken together, 2-3cc of each every day or EOD. You'll love it other than the pincushion effect from daily or EOD injections. Water based so you have options to use it however you wish.

The third category of product would simply be Yohimine HCI + Ipamorelin or Frag HGH in the morning, fasted, 60 min prior to a 30min session of cardio and Ephedrine @ 25mg pre-WO in evening (or whenever you train). GHRP's take a full 90min to dump large portions of fatty acid into the blood so if you go that route, be sure to time cardio accordingly.

This combo will ensure that you are attacking fat loss from every angle but liposuction/fat freezing.

A reminder of the specific goals behind fat loss:

1) avoid increasing fat storage by reducing meal size and controlling blood sugar (insulin helps dramatically in this category)

2) increase nutrient partitioning and increase basal metabolic activity with steroids such as Test and Tren (can increase metabolism by as much as 7-10%)

3) increase beta-adrenergic receptor density with steroids such as Test, Tren and any DHT-based steroid

4) increase beta-adrenergic receptor activity with fat burners such as Clen, Albuterol, Ephedrine, etc

5) increase L-Carnitine shuttle with L-Carn IM supplementation to saturate muscles with carnitine in order to fully utilize the other supraphysiological scenarios of fat burning.

6) do some cardio

As far as waistline spot reduction, while I do believe you can do some spot reduction, I dont think it should ever be the specific goal to a fat loss strategy. Do the other things above and the body will pull fat from the most fat-dense areas first, namely, the waistline.

Very ****ing helpful my man, i think i can have access to injectable l carnitine and will search for yohimbine, using stimulants like caffeine is something i kinda cycle on regularly in life just because i hate getting dependant on caffeine.
So i keep the winny?
 
I use the injectable L-carn fueledpassion referenced and it definitely makes a difference. Very helpful
 
Very ****ing helpful my man, i think i can have access to injectable l carnitine and will search for yohimbine, using stimulants like caffeine is something i kinda cycle on regularly in life just because i hate getting dependant on caffeine.
So i keep the winny?

Ah that's right you already have winstrol. I say don't add anything but rather add that then spend more money.
 
So have you actually tried winstrol? I would say they are very close. Small gains, lean quality mass and winstrol being more effective at It. If you haven't used it don't start some stupid argument again.

yes i am running winny now actually, and not for the first time. they feel VERY different and bloodwork comes back much different as well. have you actually tried REAL var? the answer is no if you are making these type of claims. someone prob sold you var that was either garbage or winny.
 
I would say no, but for different reasons than what Chados might be saying.

There are a few mechanisms of action that lead to accelerated fat loss. Increase in density and activation of beta-adrenergic receptors, increase in L-Carnitine capacity/shuttle & favorable nutrient partitioning effects (less fat accrual and more muscle accrual).

Steroids address increasing beta-andreneric receptor density & favorable nutrient partitioning. The others need something else to accelerate fat loss.

Fat burners tend to increase activity of beta receptors, which is why stuff like Clen and Ephedrine work so well at burning fat while on Tren because Tren will increase beta receptors for the fat burner to bind to, thus creating a sort of additive synergy to fat burning.

L-Carnitine quickly becomes the bottleneck. Problem with this is that oral L-Carn does not work hardly at all. You need to inject it and you need to have large CHO meals with it to utilize insulin for maximal uptake into muscle cells. Synthetek sells a high quality L-Carn IM injection preparation. It works.

So I'd recommend three things:

Synthetek L-Carn and Synthetek Syntheselen taken together, 2-3cc of each every day or EOD. You'll love it other than the pincushion effect from daily or EOD injections. Water based so you have options to use it however you wish.

The third category of product would simply be Yohimine HCI + Ipamorelin or Frag HGH in the morning, fasted, 60 min prior to a 30min session of cardio and Ephedrine @ 25mg pre-WO in evening (or whenever you train). GHRP's take a full 90min to dump large portions of fatty acid into the blood so if you go that route, be sure to time cardio accordingly.

This combo will ensure that you are attacking fat loss from every angle but liposuction/fat freezing.

A reminder of the specific goals behind fat loss:

1) avoid increasing fat storage by reducing meal size and controlling blood sugar (insulin helps dramatically in this category)

2) increase nutrient partitioning and increase basal metabolic activity with steroids such as Test and Tren (can increase metabolism by as much as 7-10%)

3) increase beta-adrenergic receptor density with steroids such as Test, Tren and any DHT-based steroid

4) increase beta-adrenergic receptor activity with fat burners such as Clen, Albuterol, Ephedrine, etc

5) increase L-Carnitine shuttle with L-Carn IM supplementation to saturate muscles with carnitine in order to fully utilize the other supraphysiological scenarios of fat burning.

6) do some cardio

As far as waistline spot reduction, while I do believe you can do some spot reduction, I dont think it should ever be the specific goal to a fat loss strategy. Do the other things above and the body will pull fat from the most fat-dense areas first, namely, the waistline.

great post.
 
yes i am running winny now actually, and not for the first time. they feel VERY different and bloodwork comes back much different as well. have you actually tried REAL var? the answer is no if you are making these type of claims. someone prob sold you var that was either garbage or winny.

This real var talk. It's the strongest thing out there right? Have you tried it?, if so please enlighten Ronnie Coleman where to get it so he can compete again. Why are you running winny if you like var?... sides are different yes but they are both used to lean out. I say winny is stronger okey? Now let me say that and stop getting offended by others opinions. I'm talking about a pill not about you, and you aren't the creator of var so stop marketing something nobody has tried. If you believe it's the strongest and it's not you should be proud if you can get results others can't. If it is the strongest then please send me some.
 
This real var talk. It's the strongest thing out there right? Have you tried it?, if so please enlighten Ronnie Coleman where to get it so he can compete again. Why are you running winny if you like var?... sides are different yes but they are both used to lean out. I say winny is stronger okey? Now let me say that and stop getting offended by others opinions. I'm talking about a pill not about you, and you aren't the creator of var so stop marketing something nobody has tried. If you believe it's the strongest and it's not you should be proud if you can get results others can't. If it is the strongest then please send me some.

I read that thread with the discussion and how everyone was saying ur wrong about var and that it is very strong but tbh some people were overselling, like i remember reading someone saying its up there with tren, i mean come on u may have undersold a bit but some guys just went ape **** for it, i wont be taking var for now but i do think it would be decent to add for a cutting cycle and i do believe its weaker than winstrol in overall hardness but it may also be better in other aspects but i cant really judge it for now but some people made real var sound like ****ing GH and tren combined man, anyways gonna stick for winny now, gonna add it in 2 days, also guys i have flexatril a joint support supplement, shouldni start taking it for the winny? I know i may not feel this side effect but still its overall joint health too.

Also the tren sweats are crazy man, during the day i would be sitting down in an air conditiend place and still sweat lightly, especially after a high carb meal i feel like my body temp increases, its ****ing crazy but i love this compound.
 
This real var talk. It's the strongest thing out there right? Have you tried it?, if so please enlighten Ronnie Coleman where to get it so he can compete again. Why are you running winny if you like var?... sides are different yes but they are both used to lean out. I say winny is stronger okey? Now let me say that and stop getting offended by others opinions. I'm talking about a pill not about you, and you aren't the creator of var so stop marketing something nobody has tried. If you believe it's the strongest and it's not you should be proud if you can get results others can't. If it is the strongest then please send me some.

you sir are a clown. i am not pimping var as i dont sell anything so have no stake in the game. i am running it because everything has its purpose and price point. no it is not the strongest thing out there and never claimed it to be - and i bet ronnie did run it before competition btw. you can say winny is stronger but you are wrong - fact. anabolic theory and anecdotal evidence supports this. you sir are one of the rare few (ignortant) that ignore both theory and practice. cheers
 
you sir are a clown. i am not pimping var as i dont sell anything so have no stake in the game. i am running it because everything has its purpose and price point. no it is not the strongest thing out there and never claimed it to be - and i bet ronnie did run it before competition btw. you can say winny is stronger but you are wrong - fact. anabolic theory and anecdotal evidence supports this. you sir are one of the rare few (ignortant) that ignore both theory and practice. cheers


You're the clown basing studies on rats. Saying everything is fake. Didn't say you're selling I said you're not selling so stop hyping it. Anabolic rating isnt everything and the fact that the rating isn't even real. It's like halostestin, it won't add any muscles but not makes you strong as hell, it's about how the pills responds to receptors not about some ratios that's not real. You're delusional, just sit down and stop trying to make me believe you. None of you guys have run test,tren etc. If you've had some insane results bulking 20 lbs, well that's when it's fake okay? Thats when you're actually taking anadrol or something. How delusional can one actually be? Now please go back to the car thread and spread propaganda like north Korea
 
I read that thread with the discussion and how everyone was saying ur wrong about var and that it is very strong but tbh some people were overselling, like i remember reading someone saying its up there with tren, i mean come on u may have undersold a bit but some guys just went ape **** for it, i wont be taking var for now but i do think it would be decent to add for a cutting cycle and i do believe its weaker than winstrol in overall hardness but it may also be better in other aspects but i cant really judge it for now but some people made real var sound like ****ing GH and tren combined man, anyways gonna stick for winny now, gonna add it in 2 days, also guys i have flexatril a joint support supplement, shouldni start taking it for the winny? I know i may not feel this side effect but still its overall joint health too.

Also the tren sweats are crazy man, during the day i would be sitting down in an air conditiend place and still sweat lightly, especially after a high carb meal i feel like my body temp increases, its ****ing crazy but i love this compound.

The only thing I felt with winstrol is my fingers being stiff at maybe week 4/6, not really bad though and it goes away when I stretch them out. Some people get worse but mostly it's by overdosing. I'd say get some glucosamine and don't go over 50 mg /ed
 
You're the clown basing studies on rats. Saying everything is fake. Didn't say you're selling I said you're not selling so stop hyping it. Anabolic rating isnt everything and the fact that the rating isn't even real. It's like halostestin, it won't add any muscles but not makes you strong as hell, it's about how the pills responds to receptors not about some ratios that's not real. You're delusional, just sit down and stop trying to make me believe you. None of you guys have run test,tren etc. If you've had some insane results bulking 20 lbs, well that's when it's fake okay? Thats when you're actually taking anadrol or something. How delusional can one actually be? Now please go back to the car thread and spread propaganda like north Korea

does it get hard to breath having your head so far up your ass? I am saying theory and PRACTICE. Everyone else is telling you that you are wrong but you continue to ramble.
 
does it get hard to breath having your head so far up your ass? I am saying theory and PRACTICE. Everyone else is telling you that you are wrong but you continue to ramble.

That's so much bull****, there are like 2 people that agreed with you. One that definitely haven't tried anything else when it comes to aas and two that claims they have and refuse to do test. i have tried it and i know how effective it is and I stand by that opinion. You go have your opinion and stop bother me with something you can't back up. I find it interesting that you say your favorite stack is tren test and masteron and then claiming anavar is the best and safest out there. But of course you have to find the hidden gem that exist somewhere in some hidden pharmacy that's dosed 30 times higher then the var others have tried.
 
Dude...I've run winstrol, anavar, test, tren, etc etc etc.... anavar, REAL anavar, is stronger than winstrol.
Both are dry compounds so you don't have "fake" muscle (water, crazy glycogen retention, etc) but anavar gives WAY more strength gains and with none of the side effects than winny brings, except maybe some gnarly back pumps.
 
Hey guys, how should i split my winny dose?
i have 10 mg tablets, and i really wanna use it in a way that would get me fired up for my workout(kinda like a pre workout) the dose im running for first 2 weeks is 40 mg so should i run 30 mg pre workout and 10 mg 8 hours later?
 
Hey guys, how should i split my winny dose?
i have 10 mg tablets, and i really wanna use it in a way that would get me fired up for my workout(kinda like a pre workout) the dose im running for first 2 weeks is 40 mg so should i run 30 mg pre workout and 10 mg 8 hours later?


Personally I take everything in the morning. You can split half half day and night. I think 40 is a good dose to not get sides.
 
Dude...I've run winstrol, anavar, test, tren, etc etc etc.... anavar, REAL anavar, is stronger than winstrol.
Both are dry compounds so you don't have "fake" muscle (water, crazy glycogen retention, etc) but anavar gives WAY more strength gains and with none of the side effects than winny brings, except maybe some gnarly back pumps.


I personally haven't gotten any sides from winstrol. Anavar is used at a higher dose, if you take them mg to mg winstrol is stronger. Many people get sides from winstrol it seems and I think 50 is the max you wanna go and 40 being the optimal for most people. I've only done 50 and no sides except maybe a little stiffness in my fingers in the morning at week 6/7.. var is so much nicer than winstrol when it comes to sides and would be great in a stack to give the extra while keeping it safer. I think you feel better working out on winstrol though since you'll get some nasty pumps from var.
 
Dude...I've run winstrol, anavar, test, tren, etc etc etc.... anavar, REAL anavar, is stronger than winstrol.
Both are dry compounds so you don't have "fake" muscle (water, crazy glycogen retention, etc) but anavar gives WAY more strength gains and with none of the side effects than winny brings, except maybe some gnarly back pumps.

same here. i have tried everything some test to mtren so i may have a slight clue what i am talking about - but just maybe. back pumps blow tho
 
I have no proof or science to back this up but I generally try to split my doses up as evenly as possible. In that case, I'd take it twice per day. I running on the same observation about other aspects of body sculpting - 2 cardio sessions per day is generally better than one (but not always), higher training frequency leads to more protein turnover, more meals spread throughout the day is superior to fewer meals, etc.

No science. Just based on patterns and experience...

More frequency just seems to work better for me, including dosing schemes. Tis also true for long ester steroids, especially aromatizing ones.
 
Guys, i have no idea whats going as i weighed in today i was up like 1.5-2kg which really doesnt make any sense, my body does look leaner as i am being told but what i see is my progress has stalled a bit, now i knew there is no place to blame my gear but i have been in a caloric deficit for around 4 months so do u guys think a refeed/break would be beneficial, also im feeling hungrier than usual and how many days of break do u guys think is enough since i really dont want any fat gain, also i might stop ar1macare and hop on a real AI like arimidex but its expensive as hell, what do u guys think of all of this?
 
Guys, i have no idea whats going as i weighed in today i was up like 1.5-2kg which really doesnt make any sense, my body does look leaner as i am being told but what i see is my progress has stalled a bit, now i knew there is no place to blame my gear but i have been in a caloric deficit for around 4 months so do u guys think a refeed/break would be beneficial, also im feeling hungrier than usual and how many days of break do u guys think is enough since i really dont want any fat gain, also i might stop ar1macare and hop on a real AI like arimidex but its expensive as hell, what do u guys think of all of this?

Should be hungry when cutting. If you aren't uncomfortable 60-80% of the day in terms of hunger, you aren't at a good pace. Don't mistake hunger for something being wrong. You wont lose muscle while taking Tren.

Do refeeds on the weekend. Add about 30% more calories, mostly in carbs. Do your best to keep em clean.
 
Guys, i have no idea whats going as i weighed in today i was up like 1.5-2kg which really doesnt make any sense, my body does look leaner as i am being told but what i see is my progress has stalled a bit, now i knew there is no place to blame my gear but i have been in a caloric deficit for around 4 months so do u guys think a refeed/break would be beneficial, also im feeling hungrier than usual and how many days of break do u guys think is enough since i really dont want any fat gain, also i might stop ar1macare and hop on a real AI like arimidex but its expensive as hell, what do u guys think of all of this?

Ok
1. Try separating your thoughts out into sentences, it makes it easier to read and respond to each and every one of your questions
2. Real AIs aren't all that expensive, since you typically get 2-3 months' worth per bottle, and you don't need to be paying more than probably $50-60 for it.
3. Try a refeed. Don't go insane, but get yourself a pizza and some ice cream or something. Then get back to your regular diet and see if anything changes.
 
Guys, i have no idea whats going as i weighed in today i was up like 1.5-2kg which really doesnt make any sense, my body does look leaner as i am being told but what i see is my progress has stalled a bit, now i knew there is no place to blame my gear but i have been in a caloric deficit for around 4 months so do u guys think a refeed/break would be beneficial, also im feeling hungrier than usual and how many days of break do u guys think is enough since i really dont want any fat gain, also i might stop ar1macare and hop on a real AI like arimidex but its expensive as hell, what do u guys think of all of this?

You don't have arimidex? You're kidding with me?

Just keep going you wanted tren now deal with the postivies and negatives. Everyones been telling you how tren gives you muscles even on a cut. As long as you're getting lean I don't see the problem, that's what you wanted?
 
You don't have arimidex? You're kidding with me?

Just keep going you wanted tren now deal with the postivies and negatives. Everyones been telling you how tren gives you muscles even on a cut. As long as you're getting lean I don't see the problem, that's what you wanted?

He is just frustrated because his weight is going up while his appetite is too. He just wants an excuse to start eating more since he is hungry all the time but his physical apearance and weight doesn't justify more food.
 
man, i'm benching 280 at 170lbs at 15% bodyfat and i feel i could be in better shape, so. if i was 200lbs i hope i'd be benching closer to 365.

Good for u man, how can i be like u? btw those are my stats as a natty and im only 20, plus i dont train for strength, i train for aestethics.
 
Its not a bad thing but im just telling u guys and seeing ur answers to get ur opinions on whats happening and hopefully be what i wanted, now fueledpassion im a pretty diet disciplined guy, but when leptin levels are low, hunger is higher so i was asking about this as my weight was not dropping, u guys getting my point? Like im associating them with each other.
 
Its not a bad thing but im just telling u guys and seeing ur answers to get ur opinions on whats happening and hopefully be what i wanted, now fueledpassion im a pretty diet disciplined guy, but when leptin levels are low, hunger is higher so i was asking about this as my weight was not dropping, u guys getting my point? Like im associating them with each other.

Tren and test and maybe a bit water especially early with the test. You still dont realize what compound you're using. Tren is the king for a reason. Try to spread out meals so your bloodsugar stays stable all day
 
Good for u man, how can i be like u? btw those are my stats as a natty and im only 20, plus i dont train for strength, i train for aestethics.

You're natty bro?
 
Its not a bad thing but im just telling u guys and seeing ur answers to get ur opinions on whats happening and hopefully be what i wanted, now fueledpassion im a pretty diet disciplined guy, but when leptin levels are low, hunger is higher so i was asking about this as my weight was not dropping, u guys getting my point? Like im associating them with each other.

Didn't I mention a while back that Tren really burns fat to build muscle? Consider that I've used Tren in three contest preps recently and two of those times I built anywhere from 4-8lbs of muscle while burning anywhere from 6-14lbs of fat...
 
Ok
1. Try separating your thoughts out into sentences, it makes it easier to read and respond to each and every one of your questions
2. Real AIs aren't all that expensive, since you typically get 2-3 months' worth per bottle, and you don't need to be paying more than probably $50-60 for it.
3. Try a refeed. Don't go insane, but get yourself a pizza and some ice cream or something. Then get back to your regular diet and see if anything changes.

Where i live adex costs 110$ and aromasin costs 250$. I know a guy who has some adex from turkey who of i want can sell me for 70$. I just wanna know if an AI is worth it for 150 mg of test, if i do get an AI i will probably up my test dose to 250.
 
Where i live adex costs 110$ and aromasin costs 250$. I know a guy who has some adex from turkey who of i want can sell me for 70$. I just wanna know if an AI is worth it for 150 mg of test, if i do get an AI i will probably up my test dose to 250.

You don't have to add more test , you should always have an ai on hand. You can still get gyno on low test and tren , everyone's different
 
Didn't I mention a while back that Tren really burns fat to build muscle? Consider that I've used Tren in three contest preps recently and two of those times I built anywhere from 4-8lbs of muscle while burning anywhere from 6-14lbs of fat...
Yep. On tren for prep now and noticeable difference within days.
Where i live adex costs 110$ and aromasin costs 250$. I know a guy who has some adex from turkey who of i want can sell me for 70$. I just wanna know if an AI is worth it for 150 mg of test, if i do get an AI i will probably up my test dose to 250.

Just get an AI in case you need it. Save it if you don't
 
Yep. On tren for prep now and noticeable difference within days.


Just get an AI in case you need it. Save it if you don't

But itll cost him 463$ to buy from his dodgy local ugl. If he wants to buy from interwebz he will have to use mommys credit card.
 
But itll cost him 463$ to buy from his dodgy local ugl. If he wants to buy from interwebz he will have to use mommys credit card.

Go **** yourself u ****, if ur not gonna say something useful keep it to yourself and save the smart mouth. I swear forums get toxic when people like this guy come on and are full of **** and just waste time.
 
Btw i am getting arimidex and im using it since its 100 ****ing dollars and will up the test to 250, gyno isnt really my concern at such a dose and im not really prone to it + now gonna be using an AI, my main concern is water retention.
 
Go **** yourself u ****, if ur not gonna say something useful keep it to yourself and save the smart mouth. I swear forums get toxic when people like this guy come on and are full of **** and just waste time.

Nah, forums go toxic when kiddies start playing in a grownup world.
 
Btw i am getting arimidex and im using it since its 100 ****ing dollars and will up the test to 250, gyno isnt really my concern at such a dose and im not really prone to it + now gonna be using an AI, my main concern is water retention.

Water retention is from the steroids teling the body to hold sodium. You need a potassium sparing diuretic. I'd probably do Aldactone once per day and/or 1/2 to 1 full dose of MHP Expel and drink 1.5 to 2G per day.

Problem solved right there.
 
Water retention is from the steroids teling the body to hold sodium. You need a potassium sparing diuretic. I'd probably do Aldactone once per day and/or 1/2 to 1 full dose of MHP Expel and drink 1.5 to 2G per day.

Problem solved right there.
Yeah i knew about the holding sodium, but isnt controlling estrogen the main thing for water retention? If aldactone can get the job done ill take it.

Do u think i should get both or what?
 
Btw i am getting arimidex and im using it since its 100 ****ing dollars and will up the test to 250, gyno isnt really my concern at such a dose and im not really prone to it + now gonna be using an AI, my main concern is water retention.

I don't get why the cost would make a difference. Either you need it or you don't. And if you don't need it, why not save it for another time..? Then you've already paid for it and have it.
 
Yeah thats what i wanna know, at 150 mg of test a week would i need it?

Well if you get gyno and someone correct me if I'm wrong by I think tren will increase that chance quite a lot?, You need an ai so you don't have to counter it with nolva which will make your gains worse. It's basically a way to protect you from ever getting it and to use nolva at the end of the cycle. You don't need it if you don't need it if that makes sense but it's worth having for sure. Besides if you have to use nolva then maybe you'll end up having to buy more nolva for post cycle.
 
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