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Q&A FOR RE1GN

Godstrength said:
I never said anyone was lieing those are your words. That's twice you've thrown that out there. I'm speaking about damage control and public relations... Oh but I know so little about that lol
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I know all about it..I know that I don't have to kiss your ass and can tell you exactly why you were being an ahole.

"I think we live in a society today where no one wants to take ownership and say
" you know what, I did it it was an error on my part. Going forward I hope to make it right and ask for forgiveness""

You also said they should just admit that they goofed. A lie of omission is still a lie. Is that too hard for you to understand? You paint a picture of them of trying to cover something up, which is lying....and extremely unfair for you to do based on other people's opinions of an effect.
 
If they messed up which its obvious to me they did why shouldn't they acknowledge that? Bc I'm the consumer and I can f off? Lol I'm speaking about acknowledging error, not that they are "lieing" as you so graciously put it. I dont have to kiss your ass either Admin
 
Not that I think everyone is on pins and needles waiting for my review, but I had a bit too much fun yesterday and I am not feelin going to the gym as I had planned. I will probably just order a couple pizzas instead.

I did take a full scoop of ISee Fury upon waking this morning though.... just to try it out with chilled water, as I always have done anyway. I was not hungover but definitely pretty wiped out from yesterday's activities. You know that feeling the day after! Anyway, I was not overly impressed with the flavor at first, but it did seem to get better the more time went on. I probably consumed it over a 5 minute time period as I was doing other things. The stim feel was quite nice in comparison to products with similar ingredients, and the focus seemed on point. I won't comment on the pumps as that was not really relevant.

I got a slight Yohimbe-like feel as in mild chills/goosebumps, but I was definitely not even close to sweating. I got motivated to start my laundry, and within an hour or so, I felt like it had worn off quite a bit and I just went back to bed to chill out. The relatively quick drop in energy typically happens to me no matter what I take for stims when I find myself in a "day after" situation. Essentially, I feel that I could have done two scoops without any problem, but there was really no reason to this morning.

Unfortunately, I can't go to the gym for the next 3 or 4 days either, due to my work schedule. I will have to do some basic shyt at home so I might use it for those sessions. Either way, it will be little while before I am really able to put this to a real test.

Yes, I shook the tub extremely well and for what it's worth, my label is stuck to that tub like nobody's business!

EDIT: Well this post feels completely out of place now! That's it, I'm going to order my pizza..
 
Godstrength said:
If they messed up which its obvious to me they did why shouldn't they acknowledge that? Bc I'm the consumer and I can f off? Lol I'm speaking about acknowledging error, not that they are "lieing" as you so graciously put it. I dont have to kiss your ass either Admin
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They did answer. You are demanding they admit to something YOU think happened based on zero facts. They said it falls in line with GMP standards of 10%...That isn't them messing up. So either you think GMP guidelines is them messing up..or you don't believe them which means they are lying.

If you tell someone they have to admit something, it means they are lying in the first place.

I never said you had to kiss my ass. You said I didn't own a business and don't know anything about PR or damage control. You wrong on both. I know enough to tell someone they can **** off when they accuse me of lying based on zero facts.
 
Admin said:
They did answer. You are demanding they admit to something YOU think happened based on zero facts. They said it falls in line with GMP standards of 10%...That isn't them messing up. So either you think GMP guidelines is them messing up..or you don't believe them which means they are lying.

If you tell someone they have to admit something, it means they are lying in the first place.

I never said you had to kiss my ass. You said I didn't own a business and don't know anything about PR or damage control. You wrong on both. I know enough to tell someone they can **** off when they accuse me of lying based on zero facts.
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Demanding, they have to admit, they're lying...I never said these things. I also never said that you don't know anything about public relations or business. That was in reference to your comment about the what little I know comment you made. These are all things that I never said that you're implying. At the end of the day you told me to f off good deal bro. I can say the same to you sir
 
Godstrength said:
Demanding, they have to admit, they're lying...I never said these things. I also never said that you don't know anything about public relations or business. That was in reference to your comment about the what little I know comment you made. These are all things that I never said that you're implying. At the end of the day you told me to f off good deal bro. I can say the same to you sir
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I can let everyone read your post and figure if you are trying to paint a picture of OL goofing up, not admitting it, then bringing up the fact its just damage control and PR...which is essence is lying. You don't have to actually say it to make everyone know what you mean.

Its a nice passive aggessive way of telling everyone, OL is lying about it. Reps just can't call you out on it..but I can.

And if you can say the same to me, then you can leave. Have a nice day.
 
Godstrength as a interested party (i also purchased Re1gn) I understand your thoughts, but I'm unsure about what you are expecting OL to do.

As to these last few posts, this particular argument you won't win. Remember the two rules of the jungle; There are monkeys and there are lions, and the monkeys don't fck with the lions..

Not picking a side, just saying it might be a good time to go to the gym.
 
Has anybody considered that maybe, just maybe, the reason that OL reps haven't been as "forthright" as people seem to want them to be (i.e. coming straight out and saying "ok, we messed up") is because they don't yet know themselves what the possible issue is? They're very likely in the process of testing the different flavors as we speak, and it would be pretty silly for them to come out and admit that there was an error before they actually know whether or not such an error occurred. It would just feed the hysteria for no reason. They've responded perfectly reasonably with the statement that production allows for a 10% margin per ingredient, and saying anything more than that before test results are in would be silly.
 
SFreed said:
Godstrength as a interested party (i also purchased Re1gn) I understand your thoughts, but I'm unsure about what you are expecting OL to do.

As to these last few posts, this particular argument you won't win. Remember the two rules of the jungle; There are monkeys and there are lions, and the monkeys don't fck with the lions..

Not picking a side, just saying it might be a good time to go to the gym.
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Its not even that, but as a business owner and knowing that at times owners can't say what they really want, it pisses me off when people like this guy come on here and literally make up an entire scenario of dishonesty based on what a few people FELT from a supplement.

That being said I understand PR. So at the end of the day if you guys goofed up I don't understand why you wouldn't just come out and be honest.
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How on earth can you not see that would piss someone off.....calling them dishonest for not admitting to your fabricated scenario? I mean seriously WTF?!?!?
 
Log3k said:
Has anybody considered that maybe, just maybe, the reason that OL reps haven't been as "forthright" as people seem to want them to be (i.e. coming straight out and saying "ok, we messed up") is because they don't yet know themselves what the possible issue is? They're very likely in the process of testing the different flavors as we speak, and it would be pretty silly for them to come out and admit that there was an error before they actually know whether or not such an error occurred. It would just feed the hysteria for no reason. They've responded perfectly reasonably with the statement that production allows for a 10% margin per ingredient, and saying anything more than that before test results are in would be silly.
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That would take too much logic for an internet forum. It literally couldn't handle it. It has to be a conspiracy of dishonesty and errors.
 
SFreed said:
Godstrength as a interested party (i also purchased Re1gn) I understand your thoughts, but I'm unsure about what you are expecting OL to do.

As to these last few posts, this particular argument you won't win. Remember the two rules of the jungle; There are monkeys and there are lions, and the monkeys don't fck with the lions..

Not picking a side, just saying it might be a good time to go to the gym.
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B r o I don't give af about any of that. What's at stake? My ability to post my opinion lol if that's not welcome here than that's no loss to me. I'm not going to lose my backbone. And I'm a lion and will fight another lion regardless we can bump... Never been a monkey bro even if I have to take a loss ?
 
Admin said:
Its not even that, but as a business owner and knowing that at times owners can't say what they really want, it pisses me off when people like this guy come on here and literally make up an entire scenario of dishonesty based on what a few people FELT from a supplement.



How on earth can you not see that would piss someone off.....calling them dishonest for not admitting to your fabricated scenario? I mean seriously WTF?!?!?
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C'mon man, its obvious something isn't right with the dragons mist tubs
 
Godstrength said:
B r o I don't give af about any of that. What's at stake? My ability to post my opinion lol if that's not welcome here than that's no loss to me. I'm not going to lose my backbone. And I'm a lion and will fight another lion regardless we can bump... Never been a monkey bro even if I have to take a loss ��
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Log3k said:
Has anybody considered that maybe, just maybe, the reason that OL reps haven't been as "forthright" as people seem to want them to be (i.e. coming straight out and saying "ok, we messed up") is because they don't yet know themselves what the possible issue is? They're very likely in the process of testing the different flavors as we speak, and it would be pretty silly for them to come out and admit that there was an error before they actually know whether or not such an error occurred. It would just feed the hysteria for no reason. They've responded perfectly reasonably with the statement that production allows for a 10% margin per ingredient, and saying anything more than that before test results are in would be silly.
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This has been in the back of my mind the whole time. I will say IMO (yes just my opinion) the 10% difference explained to us for GMP and the effects that users have reported on this board and the OL FB group page does not line up. If OL is still digging into this then I have no issues waiting until the final report. However when I asked if batches were tested at the end of the production line before shipment that answer appeared to be "yes". So they should have the reports in front of them from day 1. Is OL still digging into this or is it being chalked up to a 10% margin of error?
 
Godstrength said:
C'mon man, its obvious something isn't right with the dragons mist tubs
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Of course. The hundreds of reports of users who used both and conclusive evidence of how people feel on pre workouts from day to day. Case closed.


:rolleyes:
 
carguy123 said:
So I know OL stated they 3rd party test all the raws but does the manufacturer test each batch for consistency once each run was done? I have a feeling I know the answer to this question.

I cant image all this user feedback is placebo. I'm not sure how to proceed to be honest, I dont feel like playing russian roulette with each and every flavor. Maybe I am being paranoid but user feedback on this dragons mist is pretty concerning IMO.
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Synapsin said:
Our manufacturer has VERY educated staff (graduate level degrees) who test literally everything.
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This would lead me to believe the manufacturer tested each batch after production completed
 
carguy123 said:
This has been in the back of my mind the whole time. I will say IMO (yes just my opinion) the 10% difference explained to us for GMP and the effects that users have reported on this board and the OL FB group page does not line up. If OL is still digging into this then I have no issues waiting until the final report. However when I asked if batches were tested at the end of the production line before shipment that answer appeared to be "yes". So they should have the reports in front of them from day 1. Is OL still digging into this or is it being chalked up to a 10% margin of error?
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Im not seeing much comments on facebook group?? What you refering to?
 
Godstrength said:
B r o I don't give af about any of that. What's at stake? My ability to post my opinion lol if that's not welcome here than that's no loss to me. I'm not going to lose my backbone. And I'm a lion and will fight another lion regardless we can bump... Never been a monkey bro even if I have to take a loss ��
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I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make. Bottom line, we are all guests in someone's house everytime we visit this forum. As guests, the owner can set rules and guidelines as he sees fit. Break the rules and you're asked to leave.

It's Admin's sandbox, so be careful where you kick sand. Or not. No big loss either way, right?
 
SFreed said:
I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make. Bottom line, we are all guests in someone's house everytime we visit this forum. As guests, the owner can set rules and guidelines as he sees fit. Break the rules and you're asked to leave.

It's Admin's sandbox, so be careful where you kick sand. Or not. No big loss either way, right?
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I never said he broke a rule. I say what he did lacked class. I wouldn't accuse someone of dishonesty when they actually have addressed the issue then went on further to say they are investigating.

I didn't delete anything. I didn't ban anyone. I didn't threaten anyone. I simply said there is a difference in what you can do, and what you should do. Accusing someone of being dishonest based on rumor then telling THEM its unfair is quite the viewpoint.
 
Just got back from the gym after dosing 2 scoops of Dragon's Mist and I can say without a doubt that it's the same exact experience as Area 51. Focus and energy were just as on point as with my previous experience. No sides , no overstimmed feeling.

OL nailed this flavor though 9/10 it was delicious. If there's another bogo gonna have to snatch up more of this flavor.

All this feedback I'm seeing about this flavor just wasn't true for me. Everybody is different and it might affect them but if it doesn't occur to me in my personal experience then it's BS.

And this a 100% an unbiased opinion. Didn't care for Conqu3r performance wise. My tub of Endure collects dust because it tastes like vomit. If Re1gn is any indication as to where this company is headed then I am down to purchase all future products.
 
I have another question for those who've used this...does Re1gn feel "light" or "heavy" in the stomach after drinking it? I didn't like Conqu3r because it was a very heavy feel. Bloated. And it's why I only used one tub of it (maybe 2). I try not to use too much water when mixing either, I don't like that chit slushing around.
 
2 scoops was so intense of the dragon i could barely workout, but i will try a half nest time and see...kinda scared of it...i took at 7 and my mouth was filled with saliva until about 12
 
You could join him and ask...
 
SFreed said:
I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make. Bottom line, we are all guests in someone's house everytime we visit this forum. As guests, the owner can set rules and guidelines as he sees fit. Break the rules and you're asked to leave.

It's Admin's sandbox, so be careful where you kick sand. Or not. No big loss either way, right?
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Nah bro, I understood you the first time but thanks for your insight ?
 
Admin said:
I never said he broke a rule. I say what he did lacked class. I wouldn't accuse someone of dishonesty when they actually have addressed the issue then went on further to say they are investigating.

I didn't delete anything. I didn't ban anyone. I didn't threaten anyone. I simply said there is a difference in what you can do, and what you should do. Accusing someone of being dishonest based on rumor then telling THEM its unfair is quite the viewpoint.
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Well ive been called a lot worse than classless ?
 
So have I. Daily.
 
toddmuelheim said:
Oh stop it. Im just a spectator here. Two lions aren't going to stop fighting each other to bother with a pesky meerkat now are they?
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Relax snowflake. Who's a lion?
 
Dear Diary

I ordered the 5 pack deal right at the beginning...have only used one time (2 scoops of ISEE FURY)...and am already down to that one, solitary tub (traded two, sold one, gifting one)...so I ordered two more (and some Kraken) last night...went with Krusherz and Isee Fury. Have no interest in the dragons mist based on placebo of it maybe being slightly different, Area 51 flavor sounds high risk, the isee fury was totally acceptable flavor, and I've actually read somewhat positive taste reviews on krusherz

TommyTuffGuy said:
I have another question for those who've used this...does Re1gn feel "light" or "heavy" in the stomach after drinking it? I didn't like Conqu3r because it was a very heavy feel. Bloated. And it's why I only used one tub of it (maybe 2). I try not to use too much water when mixing either, I don't like that chit slushing around.
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Reign didn't feel like anything in my stomach really. So, light. First OL product. I am used to drinking a good bit of water pre workout (mix pres on the higher end and have straight water alongside) and intra (30 ounces + during a 90 minute session) though

Contaygious said:
2 scoops was so intense of the dragon i could barely workout, but i will try a half nest time and see...kinda scared of it...i took at 7 and my mouth was filled with saliva until about 12
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Interesting statement. One of the things I remember most, on my last set of squats (scheduled as 5x5 across) I did 8 reps because **** yeah let's do this and I distinctly remember an abnormally high amount of spit leaving my mouth towards the end of the set while breathing out towards the top of the reps lol
 
Farlesworth said:
Dear Diary

I ordered the 5 pack deal right at the beginning...have only used one time (2 scoops of ISEE FURY)...and am already down to that one, solitary tub (traded two, sold one, gifting one)...so I ordered two more (and some Kraken) last night...went with Krusherz and Isee Fury. Have no interest in the dragons mist based on placebo of it maybe being slightly different, Area 51 flavor sounds high risk, the isee fury was totally acceptable flavor, and I've actually read somewhat positive taste reviews on krusherz
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I think Area 51 tastes great! Reminds me of a gummy type candy and I am like you, I tend to use alot of water. I mix 1 scoop with 12-20ish ounces of water and the flavor is still great.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
I have another question for those who've used this...does Re1gn feel "light" or "heavy" in the stomach after drinking it? I didn't like Conqu3r because it was a very heavy feel. Bloated. And it's why I only used one tub of it (maybe 2). I try not to use too much water when mixing either, I don't like that chit slushing around.
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It's funny you should mention this as I almost mentioned something about this in my semi-review. I actually just had another scoop about 1.5 hrs ago as I needed a little kick in the @ss to get some errands and household chores done. It definitely delivered in that regard but it was not overly powerful at all. I was able to get everything accomplished quite efficiently though.

So this time around I was thinking to myself, that something feels weird about it, but not in a bad way. It was that I felt light, in my stomach/abdominal area. I guess to answer your question, this sits very "lightly" in the stomach and I am kind of hoping this will result in it not being a big bloater! None noticed today.
 
When i get my dragons mist i'll have to try out and compare to my A51 experiences just to test for myself. Until then i will not use re1gn just to not build tolerance.
 
Mowglisml said:
When i get my dragons mist i'll have to try out and compare to my A51 experiences just to test for myself. Until then i will not use re1gn just to not build tolerance.
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Aren't you good! There you are holding off on using it for your workouts in order to prevent building up a tolerance.

Meanwhile, here I am using it just to wake up in the morning, and then again just to get some laundry put away!

I don't have a stim problem though :D
 
Mowglisml said:
When i get my dragons mist i'll have to try out and compare to my A51 experiences just to test for myself. Until then i will not use re1gn just to not build tolerance.
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Soooo dragons mist review on Saturday perhaps, no later than Sunday!
 
m1k3_d0z4 said:
I think Area 51 tastes great! Reminds me of a gummy type candy and I am like you, I tend to use alot of water. I mix 1 scoop with 12-20ish ounces of water and the flavor is still great.
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Will second this, I thought Area 51 was pretty decent. I did 8g (so like 1.5ish scoops) in about 14oz of ice cold water and 2 ice cubes. Liked it better than the Isee Fury which had a odd after taste
 
Farlesworth said:
Soooo dragons mist review on Saturday perhaps, no later than Sunday!
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My workout is scheduled for Saturday morning and rest day Sunday. Unless I break into the postal office Friday night ;) i'll probably be using it Monday.

Ricky10 said:
Aren't you good! There you are holding off on using it for your workouts in order to prevent building up a tolerance.

Meanwhile, here I am using it just to wake up in the morning, and then again just to get some laundry put away!

I don't have a stim problem though :D
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LOL! I have plenty of stims to keep me entertained in the mean time...I do stim everyday after lunch just to get through the day... i also do not have a stim problem :)
 
Unique opportunity for anyone in NJ area tomorrow afternoon...

PM me: if you live in NJ and are free tomorrow late afternoon
 
I got krusherz and Area 51 they feel identical at a single scoop empty stomach I switch them every day just to make sure. I think this is the best pre workout since craze and I've used alot great job on this formulation OL.
 
I've got a jug of iseefury coming either tomorrow or Saturday...I've read so much about re1gn, it will be nice to try for myself!!!
 
Godstrength said:
I also think there is a possibility that you guys were behind on the production of Reign and experiencing a lot of pressure from the consumer due to pushed back release dates. There's probably a good chance that production was rushed and there was possibly some qc issues. Would you say these are fair statements? I understand and believe fully that you guys will investigate and figure it out and adjust accordingly, bc OL is a great company.

That being said I understand PR. So at the end of the day if you guys goofed up I don't understand why you wouldn't just come out and be honest. But I also know that's there is the almighty dollar at stake which at the end of the day is the reason why business is business. I think we live in a society today where no one wants to take ownership and say
" you know what, I did it it was an error on my part. Going forward I hope to make it right and ask for forgiveness"

I think its unfair to tell the consumer their reviews are "exaggerated" and to pm a rep, contact distributor or just lower your dose. Love OL, but its obvious to me you guys goofed.
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No. Once a date is pushed back, whether it be 2 weeks or 2 months, there is no real rush anymore because consumers are already annoyed. There is no financial incentive to just rush out a product when this is a product we want around for 1 year+ as opposed to one run...literally none. We did not goof up, and an explanation was already provided. I am in constant communication with our manufacturer, and they are not a small one. They test everything and would not allow an error as big as this. I mean we delayed the product because we wanted the labels to look JUST right. Why would we ship out an inferior product? We ARE being honest.
 
Took 3 scoops of Dragon's Mist today. I roundhouse-kicked my boss and set my house on fire.

Dragon's Mist - not even once.
 
2 scoops of Area 51 today.

Slept about 10 hours. Fasted upon rising for at least 12 hours and probably closer to 13.

Shook the tub like crazy before opening, then put it in 11 oz cold water + about 6 ice cubes and stuck it in the fridge for about 10-15 min.

Flavor is good. Complex. Multiple things going on at once and not sure how to pinpoint it all, vut certainly gathered that gummy flavor others have mentioned.

Didn't feel anything like DM. Didn't really feel any kick at all.

Vascularity was up today. However, I'm also a bit leaner (though we aren't talking night and day from like 5 days ago lol) and it was also high volume arm day.

So with that in mind, pump was great.

Thermo effect was very noticeable. Felt much warmer than usual and sweat was going good.

This was a very positive experience for me. What was weird, though, was not feeling the focus really kick in at all. That said, nothing really gets me that feeling these days but I expected it at 2 scoops based on the reviews and my experience with lower dosed DM.

What I can say after 4 doses across the past 5 days:

- 1.25 DM
- 1.5 LB
- OFF
- 1.5 DM
- 2 A51

I will be taking a break to go back to lower stim pres for a bit (maybe a week) to come back to 2 scoops of one of the non DM tubs. I don't generally use the same pre that constantly, so I'm hoping to feel the stim and focus more after that break.

So far all 3 flavors are good, though. Nice job on that, OL -- very unique.
 
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