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Gonna do a 12-14 week. Test e 500mg

With 4-5 weeks dbol 20-50mg

2-3/4ish week Sten/DMZ 10mg/10mg combo (going to run at 30/30)

Thinking of starting with the bol, then ending with Sten/DMZ. Anyone see any reason not to?
 
Those doses of sten and dzine are worthless, you should just run dbol @ 50mg for 4 weeks. No need to finish with an oral.
 
Rhadam said:
Those doses of sten and dzine are worthless, you should just run dbol @ 50mg for 4 weeks. No need to finish with an oral.
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I'm obviously going to run it 30/30 or something. Was just meant to show that the DMZ dose is trash so essentially it's just Msten
 
Mr Physique said:
Gonna do a 12-14 week. Test e 500mg

With 4-5 weeks dbol 20-50mg

2-3/4ish week Sten/DMZ 10mg/10mg combo (going to run at 30/30)

Thinking of starting with the bol, then ending with Sten/DMZ. Anyone see any reason not to?
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You could do that but what about start with the DBol kicker then drop test week 12 or 14 and run the DMZ/MSten during the the time the test is running out of your system. That way you can literally grow right up to your actual start of PCT because you are still on orals. Then when you drop the orals start PCT the next day and you are off and running. Just not sure you will get too much out of it in any other scenario.

Plus DBol is way better than those two. Healthier too in my opinion. I always feel better on real gear than stuff that didn't make it through human trials. That is what all of the designer steroids are. Steroids that were studied and created but never made it through the human research phase. Same as a lot of the SARMS in use now. I loved the growth from a lot of that stuff, but it all made me feel like death warmed over after about 3 weeks on it regardless of support supps.
 
MrKleen73 said:
You could do that but what about start with the DBol kicker then drop test week 12 or 14 and run the DMZ/MSten during the the time the test is running out of your system. That way you can literally grow right up to your actual start of PCT because you are still on orals. Then when you drop the orals start PCT the next day and you are off and running. Just not sure you will get too much out of it in any other scenario.

Plus DBol is way better than those two. Healthier too in my opinion. I always feel better on real gear than stuff that didn't make it through human trials. That is what all of the designer steroids are. Steroids that were studied and created but never made it through the human research phase. Same as a lot of the SARMS in use now. I loved the growth from a lot of that stuff, but it all made me feel like death warmed over after about 3 weeks on it regardless of support supps.
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True. Good points.

I've just been holding on to this Msten for forever. Maybe I'll sell it and just run dbol as start and kick lol
 
Hey man im doing the same im finishing up a yest feca cycle. Started with 5 weeks dbol and now im finishing with 5 weeks msten i had siting around just to get rid if it since i dont buy anything but the real stuff now. Just didnt want to waste it.
 
adammorrow36 said:
Hey man im doing the same im finishing up a yest feca cycle. Started with 5 weeks dbol and now im finishing with 5 weeks msten i had siting around just to get rid if it since i dont buy anything but the real stuff now. Just didnt want to waste it.
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How were the results?
 
I happened to do the same thing to.
I was on a long cycle and planned to just go 16 weeks test and deca.
But I was forced to cruise because source turned to sketchy drama BS!!.
I dropped back to 200test/week and broke into my msten 12.5mg
I only on week 2 and only 1 cap per day.
But I'm surprised how much I like the msten.
First off I'm not walking around bloated.
I'm extremely strong on it.
And the estrogen sides on 200test/ week and msten are almost zero
I'm only shooting once a week so exemestane 12.5 day of injection only.
Little bit achy in feet and elbows.
Ill probably go to 25 mg the last 2 weeks.
But so far not really needed.
 
Yes i had to drop my aromasin dose to 6.25 just on pin days cus onve i started the msten it killed my e joints hurting bad but once i droped the masin the joint pain susided and so far at 30 mg msten day shud be starting to shine verry soon.
 
Cgkone said:
I happened to do the same thing to.
I was on a long cycle and planned to just go 16 weeks test and deca.
But I was forced to cruise because source turned to sketchy drama BS!!.
I dropped back to 200test/week and broke into my msten 12.5mg
I only on week 2 and only 1 cap per day.
But I'm surprised how much I like the msten.
First off I'm not walking around bloated.
I'm extremely strong on it.
And the estrogen sides on 200test/ week and msten are almost zero
I'm only shooting once a week so exemestane 12.5 day of injection only.
Little bit achy in feet and elbows.
Ill probably go to 25 mg the last 2 weeks.
But so far not really needed.
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Why would you go to 25mg the last two weeks if your estrogen is low enough now that you are feeling it in your joints? You should drop the dose lower like the gentlemen below your post said. In all honesty you shouldn't really even NEED an AI on 200mg of test unless you are very gyno prone. Also remember crushing estrogen means crushing some of your gains. YOu need estrogen to grow optimally. You need estrogen to burn fat optimally and you need estrogen to have a healthy sex drive. Don't crush it.
 
Start with 30mg dbol and use some winstrol to finish ;)
 
MrKleen73 said:
Why would you go to 25mg the last two weeks if your estrogen is low enough now that you are feeling it in your joints? You should drop the dose lower like the gentlemen below your post said. In all honesty you shouldn't really even NEED an AI on 200mg of test unless you are very gyno prone. Also remember crushing estrogen means crushing some of your gains. YOu need estrogen to grow optimally. You need estrogen to burn fat optimally and you need estrogen to have a healthy sex drive. Don't crush it.
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Brother I was talking about msten 25 mg.
My bad
My stane and msten are both 12.5.
I only need AI on day of injection.
Its the MSTEN that makes my ankles and joints hurt a little.
I'm bangin out heavy doubles and tripples.
The msten is keeping me strong but not as comfortable as lets say dbol.
Also I was high dose testp and NPP until forced into this cruise/msten.
So coming off NPP in general may cause some disconfort
 
MrKleen73 said:
Why would you go to 25mg the last two weeks if your estrogen is low enough now that you are feeling it in your joints? You should drop the dose lower like the gentlemen below your post said. In all honesty you shouldn't really even NEED an AI on 200mg of test unless you are very gyno prone. Also remember crushing estrogen means crushing some of your gains. YOu need estrogen to grow optimally. You need estrogen to burn fat optimally and you need estrogen to have a healthy sex drive. Don't crush it.
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Also the AI just keeps me photo ready.
A little dry and astethic .
 
Cgkone said:
I happened to do the same thing to.
I was on a long cycle and planned to just go 16 weeks test and deca.
But I was forced to cruise because source turned to sketchy drama BS!!.
I dropped back to 200test/week and broke into my msten 12.5mg
I only on week 2 and only 1 cap per day.
But I'm surprised how much I like the msten.
First off I'm not walking around bloated.
I'm extremely strong on it.
And the estrogen sides on 200test/ week and msten are almost zero
I'm only shooting once a week so exemestane 12.5 day of injection only.
Little bit achy in feet and elbows.
Ill probably go to 25 mg the last 2 weeks.
But so far not really needed.
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What I ment by maybe going to 25 mg
Is the early comments that 10mg of msten is a waste.
I'm banging weight good on the 12.5.
But in general I'm surprised how much I like msten.
If going to 25mg of msten is that much better than I have no choice but to try it.
I'm at the end of a powerlifting program.
I hit my intended max on bench
I have been timid to try since losing the NPP.
I'm still revved up to peak......so increasing to 25 mg and attempting squat/dead maxes seems the way to go.
 
jakz said:
Start with 30mg dbol and use some winstrol to finish ;)
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Haha going to save the Winny for prep next spring/summer. I like to stay away from the stuff bc how it hammers my lipids.

I just have some Msten I stocked up on pre-ban (I don't think it got banned, but I grabbed some just in case).

And I figured starting with bol and then doing a little finish with the Msten should be a nice little run.
 
Cgkone said:
I happened to do the same thing to.
I was on a long cycle and planned to just go 16 weeks test and deca.
But I was forced to cruise because source turned to sketchy drama BS!!.
I dropped back to 200test/week and broke into my msten 12.5mg
I only on week 2 and only 1 cap per day.
But I'm surprised how much I like the msten.
First off I'm not walking around bloated.
I'm extremely strong on it.
And the estrogen sides on 200test/ week and msten are almost zero
I'm only shooting once a week so exemestane 12.5 day of injection only.
Little bit achy in feet and elbows.
Ill probably go to 25 mg the last 2 weeks.
But so far not really needed.
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Good stuff brother! Yea MSten might possibly help as far as the estro goes cause its a DHT derivative. glad your having a good run! if your able to maybe bump the test to atleast 500 a week.. but it looks like your not in a position to if your source bonked out on you..
 
Cgkone said:
Also the AI just keeps me photo ready.
A little dry and astethic .
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Makes sense, and oh okay 25 on the MSTEN... I was thinking OUCH why go up on the AI. Congrats on hitting your bench goal!!!! What are your numbers currently for the big 3?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Makes sense, and oh okay 25 on the MSTEN... I was thinking OUCH why go up on the AI. Congrats on hitting your bench goal!!!! What are your numbers currently for the big 3?
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625deads
480 squat
430 bench
I think I'm gonna hit 500 squat on Thursday
I know I'm no Dan green but I've been chasing 430 on bench for 5 years.
Really am surprised how the MSTEN gave me that extra UMPHH I needed.
 
Cgkone said:
I'm definitely grabbing more.
Its a clean finisher IMO to a cycle
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What would you compare it to? It seems for person to person the comparison changes a bit.

And do you think 20mg 4 weeks, or 20/20/30/30, 20/30/30/30, etc? Is best way to since since I have 10s
 
Cgkone said:
625deads
480 squat
430 bench
I think I'm gonna hit 500 squat on Thursday
I know I'm no Dan green but I've been chasing 430 on bench for 5 years.
Really am surprised how the MSTEN gave me that extra UMPHH I needed.
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Nice numbers, that bench is beastly! How much you weigh?
Mr Physique said:
What would you compare it to? It seems for person to person the comparison changes a bit.

And do you think 20mg 4 weeks, or 20/20/30/30, 20/30/30/30, etc? Is best way to since since I have 10s
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How many caps you got? You might do better running longer than 4 weeks if you have enough. With the higher dosing scheme here you are only using 83 caps, so if only 90 then pepper the other ones in there. If you have 120 then run it for 6 weeks.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice numbers, that bench is beastly! How much you weigh?


How many caps you got? You might do better running longer than 4 weeks if you have enough. With the higher dosing scheme here you are only using 83 caps, so if only 90 then pepper the other ones in there. If you have 120 then run it for 6 weeks.
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I'm 250lbs
That's why I don't compete
I'd get killed
 
Rhadam said:
Those doses of sten and dzine are worthless, you should just run dbol @ 50mg for 4 weeks. No need to finish with an oral.
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That's not true for everyone. Even 20mg of dbol can be plenty for some. I wouldn't go straight to 50mg from day 1.
 
Gygas21 said:
That's not true for everyone. Even 20mg of dbol can be plenty for some. I wouldn't go straight to 50mg from day 1.
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Agreed. I gain like a mofo on 20mg a day.
 
jakz said:
Agreed. I gain like a mofo on 20mg a day.
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Could also be a sourcing issue if 50 is required to make gains...
 
jakz said:
True. My source is better than most
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Then again everyones receptor sensitivity is different. I can grow on pretty low doses of most anabolics I have tried so that can be a factor for sure. That or some people just get told they need to run high doses from the jump.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Then again everyones receptor sensitivity is different. I can grow on pretty low doses of most anabolics I have tried so that can be a factor for sure. That or some people just get told they need to run high doses from the jump.
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I have always advocated low doses. I have NEVER gone over 600mg Test. Never over 300mg everything else.

One can always increase dosages. Some do need higher doses, but there is no reason to start with 35+ mg dbol and 500mg+ test if you don't know how you will react. I make incredible gains off of 10mg Rad or 25mg Abombs.. 300mg Deca, Damn.

Start low, go up.
 
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