Test prop and Tren ace

JoeStethics said:
Exactly what everyone told me, man it got to a level where i dont even care about the good effects i just want to feel the side effects to know my ****'s real haha.
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Looks like u got one of the main sides of tren a, "violence" lol, I had a violent episode the first time I did tren a too and I thought it was the others persons fault not realizing my tolerance went to zero, if I get mad on tren since I know it's just the tren and not to take it out on innocent people
 
johnny411 said:
Looks like u got one of the main sides of tren a, "violence" lol, I had a violent episode the first time I did tren a too and I thought it was the others persons fault not realizing my tolerance went to zero, if I get mad on tren since I know it's just the tren and not to take it out on innocent people
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I dont wanna sound like a dick, but i would have done it without tren because the guy screwed me over after guaranteeing that he has some good ****, too bad cant take it to court or someting :p.
The gear turned out to be bunk anyways so yeah.
 
Btw guys there is something on my mind ever since i ordered the new gear, i was thinking of eating at a caloric surplus(around 300-500 above maintenance)on cycle, since i am pretty satisfied at around 13% body fat with the way i look, not my ideal yet but ideal is gonna take a long time and definitely cannot be achieved natty but for now im thinking of clean bulking(i dont like calling it a bulk because a bulk is usually supposed to be like a 15 to 20 lb increase but i mean building lean muscle on tren as i also read many people saying the increase in lean muscle mass with fat staying the same(or possibly losing a bit) will make me look leaner as i will be dropping body fat percentage improving my body composition, but not losing actual fat though, i really am hesitant running my first tren cycle(FIRST CYCLE WITH TREN) for a cut and not utilizing my virgin tren receptors to build on it.
I know im the only person who can tell and make this decision but do u guys think if i do what i stated above on tren i can get more muscle definition and look more cut while just increasing lean muscle mass and size?

If not what about building muscle on tren with a deficit(read it can be done in many cases)?

Also, im not looking to add size to my frame or get wider as a goal just to like increase my muscle size if that makes sense to u guys, a bit of size isnt a problem so if ur gonna tell me u wont blow up on tren i actually prefer that.
 
You contradicted yourself like a bajillion times just in the first paragraph-long run-on sentence you had there, not to mention the rest of the post.
You wanna add muscle definition and look more cut (are those not the same things?) so build muscle and lose fat.
You don't wanna add size, but want to increase muscle size? Huh?
 
BamBam0319 said:
You contradicted yourself like a bajillion times just in the first paragraph-long run-on sentence you had there, not to mention the rest of the post.
You wanna add muscle definition and look more cut (are those not the same things?) so build muscle and lose fat.
You don't wanna add size, but want to increase muscle size? Huh?
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Yeah i knew i didnt explain it thoroughly, i basically mean i wanna increase my lean muscle mass which means building muscle and muscle size, when i say size i mean like the actual muscle not my frame, like adding lean muscle mass to my delts,biceps,triceps,chest that would only make them a look only a bit bigger in size but mainly more mascular and defined, and when i mean more defined muscles its because adding muscle mass with no increase in body fat would decrease my body fat percentage so i look leaner.
When i mean i dont want more size i mean i dont more size to my frame in general, kind of like improving my muscle bellies i am not knowing how to explain it i think i should just say build lean muscle without blowing up is what i want.
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i knew i didnt explain it thoroughly, i basically mean i wanna increase my lean muscle mass which means building muscle and muscle size, when i say size i mean like the actual muscle not my frame, like adding lean muscle mass to my delts,biceps,triceps,chest that would only make them a look only a bit bigger in size but mainly more mascular and defined, and when i mean more defined muscles its because adding muscle mass with no increase in body fat would decrease my body fat percentage so i look leaner.
When i mean i dont want more size i mean i dont more size to my frame in general, kind of like improving my muscle bellies i am not knowing how to explain it i think i should just say build lean muscle without blowing up is what i want.
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So you want a recomp?
 
You're gonna be more ripped with tren, I like to compare this to winstrol mixed with a low dose deca because it does put on weight but it puts it on in much better way. Too much kcal or too little , tren can work with both. My advice is to stay at normal intake or drop a little, either way I'm sure you'll be pleased. I think you should worry more about the sides. I can't imagine a person not noticing results on tren even with a horrible diet.
 
Go with a low fat, high protein, high carb diet and supplement with EFA's. Eat around maintenance during week and add 200g carbs to weekend, training very little during weekend as well to maximize growth and recovery. Obviously, avoid added sugars as much as possible and err on the side of smaller, more frequent meals as well. You'll recomp. You'll build muscle. But not much will happen by way of weight gain/loss but you could still add an inch to your limbs this way.

Let's not complicate this. Just do that above and it'll work. After that, switch gears and move to a 40/40/20 diet afterwards, which will be ideal for PCT and recovery.
 
JoeStethics said:
Who are u to say if im doing it right or that im out of shape? Since when is 14% body fat benching 240 at 200 lbs ****ing out of shape jesus, and if i ask a question about tren or if i feel it may be underdosed, oh **** i dont know about gear or tren and went for a compound i dont understand as if no one tries different ****ing roids, and i dont wanna blow up im cutting u retard but not feeling its good or bad effects(the side effects).
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Congrats on being a sophomore in high school benching 240 at 200lbs....

Sides mean nothing. If you were educated you'd know this. Some guys get sides from 75mg EOD while others can run 100mg ED and be fine.
 
I think ill stay around the 2500-3000kcal mark then eating as clean as possible, i might run the cycle for 6 weeks and maybe efficiently with full potential and focus for 4 weeks since the guy who screwed me over wasted around 2 weeks which were very valuable, so eat around maintenance maybe some days slight surplus and some slight deficit with high protein and high carbs? As long i a build muscle adding an inch to my limbs and looking leaner with no increase in my waist size or even possibly a decrease i would be very happy, btw guys now that i got legit gear the reality of the sides is kicking in, i got some growth factor XT if u guys know about(natural gh supplement) which helps with sleep but is there anything i can do for the night sweats?

Thanks a lot guys.
 
JoeStethics said:
I think ill stay around the 2500-3000kcal mark then eating as clean as possible, i might run the cycle for 6 weeks and maybe efficiently with full potential and focus for 4 weeks since the guy who screwed me over wasted around 2 weeks which were very valuable, so eat around maintenance maybe some days slight surplus and some slight deficit with high protein and high carbs? As long i a build muscle adding an inch to my limbs and looking leaner with no increase in my waist size or even possibly a decrease i would be very happy, btw guys now that i got legit gear the reality of the sides is kicking in, i got some growth factor XT if u guys know about(natural gh supplement) which helps with sleep but is there anything i can do for the night sweats?

Thanks a lot guys.
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For night sweats, go carbless Post workout (assuming you train in the evening). Just keep carbs out of picture starting around 3hrs before bed. Will minimize night sweats.

And also, as a suggestion, refrain from mentioning the 240lbs bench @ 200lbs. With this particular crowd, it didn't help.

I'm considered "above average" in the gym in regards to strength and really just kinda normal in powerlifting circles and I my best bench when I was training for strength was 315 X 4-5 reps at 162lbs...
 
fueledpassion said:
For night sweats, go carbless Post workout (assuming you train in the evening). Just keep carbs out of picture starting around 3hrs before bed. Will minimize night sweats.

And also, as a suggestion, refrain from mentioning the 240lbs bench @ 200lbs. With this particular crowd, it didn't help.

I'm considered "above average" in the gym in regards to strength and really just kinda normal in powerlifting circles and I my best bench when I was training for strength was 315 X 4-5 reps at 162lbs...
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Yeah i read about the carbs, good thing i train like 3 hours upon waking up and will not have carbs like 6 hours before sleep minimum on my diet.
I wasnt showing off my bench when i said that, i dont know if it was this thread or another but i was talking about my lifts and i said 110 lbs incline dumbbell press, many people thought i mean straight up 110 lbs and were like dude if u bench 110 ur definitely not ready for a cycle, get ur training right before cycling,u cant cycle if ur a noob, u know all that **** which i agree with btw, but wasted a lot of time on a misunderstanding, thats why whenever anyone gets the impression that im a beginner to lifting because of my age and years trained i tell them how much i bench which shows im not a beginner, i am not even comparing myself to powerlifters :D and i dont even care about powerlifting (no offence to anyone) i care about physique and aesthetics more, but tbh i used to bench 225 at 17 which was impressive af, but i just stopped focusing on getting stronger these past couple of years as i started to care about aesthetics more, if i were to continue natural then i would focus on getting stronger fast, dont get me wrong i do wanna get stronger but just not fast and every week like i used to. I never in my life trained for strength, the closest i got to caring about strength was when i was focusing on progressive overload :p but i also would never be okay with losing strength as i fear if its muscle, unless i dropped a **** ton of weight while dieting or something.
 
JoeStethics said:
Who are u to say if im doing it right or that im out of shape? Since when is 14% body fat benching 240 at 200 lbs ****ing out of shape jesus, and if i ask a question about tren or if i feel it may be underdosed, oh **** i dont know about gear or tren and went for a compound i dont understand as if no one tries different ****ing roids, and i dont wanna blow up im cutting u retard but not feeling its good or bad effects(the side effects).
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240 @ 200 isn't gonna impress the vets or anyone on this board. Sure, it's better than your average person on the streets but people on this board aren't average. I did 230 at 170 my junior year of highschool. I was hyped because it was a PR and better than all my friends, but by no means did I feel strong by any standard.
 
fueledpassion said:
For night sweats, go carbless Post workout (assuming you train in the evening). Just keep carbs out of picture starting around 3hrs before bed. Will minimize night sweats.

And also, as a suggestion, refrain from mentioning the 240lbs bench @ 200lbs. With this particular crowd, it didn't help.

I'm considered "above average" in the gym in regards to strength and really just kinda normal in powerlifting circles and I my best bench when I was training for strength was 315 X 4-5 reps at 162lbs...
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Your just a freak and make us all look bad. Carry on.
 
jathan_howe said:
240 @ 200 isn't gonna impress the vets or anyone on this board. Sure, it's better than your average person on the streets but people on this board aren't average. I did 230 at 170 my junior year of highschool. I was hyped because it was a PR and better than all my friends, but by no means did I feel strong by any standard.
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Just let me feel good man, on a serious note as a natty isnt 225 at 17(forgot my weight) is pretty impressive man.
Now that im leaving the natty lifestyle looking forward to the new **** coming.
 
Yo guys i just finished planning everything for my cycle today with my coach, i am going to take tren ace for roughly 5 weeks as my university will start august 30 and i cant afford to deal with the sides then, if only the other guy didnt screw me over with the bunk ****, Now my coach told me the gear he is getting me isnt 100% so he told me dose it at 400-500 mg a week of tren and test at 200-250 and i am gonna continue the cycle with just test and winstrol till i hit week 8 through university so basically the layout is starting from tomorrow(tomorrow is day 1)
Test P(1-8) 200-250mg/week
Tren ace(1- 4 or 5) 400-500mg/week
Winstrol (3-8) How much do u think i should dose this? i was thinking going low for first 2 weeks as i will be on tren too then ill up it when its on its own with the test and finish the cycle at that.
I know i am not using the tren to its full potential which really pisses me off but i cant go into university while on tren with the insomnia,aggression(main problem), and the night sweats before going to uni will be a pain in the ass.
I think i can still pull a decent cutting cycle with the test and winstrol as a finisher, what do u guys think and how much should i dose my winny?
 
Anyone can chime in for the winstrol dosage?
My coach is telling me to go for a pyramid style starting at 20mg and moving up to 40mg but i kinda have a mixed opinion on this what do guys think i should do as in the style of dosing(constant,pyramid) and at what dosages?
I also heard that the pyramid approach keeps them gains coming, makes me more anabolic and very hard to plateau(shocking the body).
 
JoeStethics said:
Anyone can chime in for the winstrol dosage?
My coach is telling me to go for a pyramid style starting at 20mg and moving up to 40mg but i kinda have a mixed opinion on this what do guys think i should do as in the style of dosing(constant,pyramid) and at what dosages?
I also heard that the pyramid approach keeps them gains coming, makes me more anabolic and very hard to plateau(shocking the body).
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If you have a coach, why are you asking us?
 
JoeStethics said:
He is a friend at the gym who is a certified trainer supervising my cycle only, not a personal trainer.
And if he tells me to go **** myself i should do it and not ask u guys yeh?
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So it's a friend, not a coach?

Just curious as I have a coach, I pay. I'd never ask for a second opinion on anything he says. Hence, why I pay him. And good coaches (there's only a handful since anyone who works out is a coach now) has everything out together for a reason. When people deviate from the program is when they don't get 100% out of protocols.
 
Distilled Water said:
So it's a friend, not a coach?

Just curious as I have a coach, I pay. I'd never ask for a second opinion on anything he says. Hence, why I pay him. And good coaches (there's only a handful since anyone who works out is a coach now) has everything out together for a reason. When people deviate from the program is when they don't get 100% out of protocols.
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He is a friend who coaches at the gym i go to, all his advice on cycles seem very old fashioned and sometimes kinda wrong, like he would tell me take winstrol only on weekdays and that orals stay in the system longer which really makes me not trust him but just let him be my supplier.
 
JoeStethics said:
He is a friend who coaches at the gym i go to, all his advice on cycles seem very old fashioned and sometimes kinda wrong, like he would tell me take winstrol only on weekdays and that orals stay in the system longer which really makes me not trust him but just let him be my supplier.
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Yeah I'd stop listening to him then and don't say "coach said" just search bc you could search a better answer than he supplied lol.

I've done injc winny EOD but orals are all about half life's and being optimal with build up and stable blood levels. Similar to injectables
 
Distilled Water said:
Yeah I'd stop listening to him then and don't say "coach said" just search bc you could search a better answer than he supplied lol.

I've done injc winny EOD but orals are all about half life's and being optimal with build up and stable blood levels. Similar to injectables
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Yeah im just giving u an extra idea as if(his) and u guys can critique or tell me yeah its good thats all, so what dosage do u think i should run(oral)?
I might keep it low while im on tren, but once i stop the tren ill increase it to the dose where the cycle is dependent on it.
 
JoeStethics said:
Anyone can chime in for the winstrol dosage?
My coach is telling me to go for a pyramid style starting at 20mg and moving up to 40mg but i kinda have a mixed opinion on this what do guys think i should do as in the style of dosing(constant,pyramid) and at what dosages?
I also heard that the pyramid approach keeps them gains coming, makes me more anabolic and very hard to plateau(shocking the body).
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No the only reason to go for 20 is to see how the body reacts. I've been doing 50 and I haven't had any of the famous joint pain. 40/50 mg for no more than 6 weeks and use it the last 6 weeks of your cycle. By the way the results starts to show fast but it can take up to week 5 or 6 when you really start to see something crazy. I was at 9-10% body fat and I almost got too veiny for my own taste. My point is to give it time cause you might feel it stopped working but then bam from one day to another.


If your cycle is 12 weeks you go week
7,8,9,10,11,12, not 6-12 cause thats 7 weeks.
 
Chados said:
No the only reason to go for 20 is to see how the body reacts. I've been doing 50 and I haven't had any of the famous joint pain. 40/50 mg for no more than 6 weeks and use it the last 6 weeks of your cycle. By the way the results starts to show fast but it can take up to week 5 or 6 when you really start to see something crazy. I was at 9-10% body fat and I almost got too veiny for my own taste. My point is to give it time cause you might feel it stopped working but then bam from one day to another.


If your cycle is 12 weeks you go week
7,8,9,10,11,12, not 6-12 cause thats 7 weeks.
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My cycle not counting the bunk **** is an 8 week cycle which started yesterday(finally got the metallic taste while injecting) i wrote winstrol from 3-8 which is 6 weeks so im thinking 40 for first 4 weeks then 50 for last 2 yeah?(im talking about the weeks of winstrol usage here, not cycle)
 
Chados said:
Or just go 50. I personally don't get sides at that dose.
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Yeah sounds good, so far i have 100 tablets of 10 mg so im gonna buy another one but will dose first 2 weeks of winstrol at 40 mg and last 4 at 50 since i have 200 pills. Also would u suggest i add proviron around the 4 week mark of my cycle?
 
Don't add anything more. Proviron is just not worth it either. You have an insane stack for being such a new guy to steroids. See how you feel in the compounds, do u feel good on tren? When adding winstrol what happens? Don't push it. You have no idea how much you can gain from this.
 
Chados said:
Don't add anything more. Proviron is just not worth it either. You have an insane stack for being such a new guy to steroids. See how you feel in the compounds, do u feel good on tren? When adding winstrol what happens? Don't push it. You have no idea how much you can gain from this.
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I was asking because my supplier wants to give it to me as a gift so yeah, even if its for free i shouldnt take it?
 
JoeStethics said:
I was asking because my supplier wants to give it to me as a gift so yeah, even if its for free i shouldnt take it?
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Why not accept it and just save it? I have stuff that I got for free that I just haven't had a use for yet, but no way in hell am I gonna turn it down. It's free. And I know I'll use it in the future.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Why not accept it and just save it? I have stuff that I got for free that I just haven't had a use for yet, but no way in hell am I gonna turn it down. It's free. And I know I'll use it in the future.
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Point taken. I think tren winstrol and test is by far enough for his cycle though. I cant imagine anything being better for his goals. Not sure it would be beneficial adding more when you're new to steroids and to now know what causes the effect is really annoying. but free is free
 
Chados said:
Point taken. I think tren winstrol and test is by far enough for his cycle though. I cant imagine anything being better for his goals. Not sure it would be beneficial adding more when you're new to steroids and to now know what causes the effect is really annoying. but free is free
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No I agree not to use it. Just would never turn down free gear lmao
 
Chados said:
Haha would you ever even run proviron tho?
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I have and will be adding it in about two weeks in my contest prep stack... currently on 750 each of test and EQ, and just added 300 mast. Adding in tren ace, more mast, and proviron in 2 weeks. Possibly anavar
 
BamBam0319 said:
I have and will be adding it in about two weeks in my contest prep stack... currently on 750 each of test and EQ, and just added 300 mast. Adding in tren ace, more mast, and proviron in 2 weeks. Possibly anavar
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Now that's a stack
 
Chados said:
Now that's a stack
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Normally don't do such crazy stacks but that's contest prep for ya. Gotta get peeled. Up until now, I was on NPP, EQ, and test @ 300/500/500. Nothing wild, just enough to put on lean mass.
 
Chados said:
Point taken. I think tren winstrol and test is by far enough for his cycle though. I cant imagine anything being better for his goals. Not sure it would be beneficial adding more when you're new to steroids and to now know what causes the effect is really annoying. but free is free
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The thing you said about not knowing what causes the effect is 100%, when i add in winstrol at the third week i can imagine not telling the difference but will praise the tren, and **** i just injected myself today for the first time(usually coach injects me) i injected in my thigh and i was scared af, but PIP was so strong i couldnt do dumbell presses today because i had to kick them off my legs so i stack with barbell.
U guys think its safe i learn to inject in my glutes(and if yes any tips)?
 
Yes, do glutes instead. Scare tissue builds easily in quads over time, especially with unclean gear, which happens from time to time. Bad PIP = crap quality but since your legs are virgins, it will be sore no matter what.

Lie down on your back with your pants pulled down enough to have access to the top of your glutes. Decide which side to inject in. For the sake of this tutorial, lets pick the right side. So:

1) obviously have the gear ready in the syringe. Use a 3mL syringe and a 1.5" X 25g needle.

2) lie down on backside

3) roll/swing your right leg over your body. You should be lying pretty much on your side but keep your torso and upper body stationary - don't let it twist with your hips and lower body.

4) pick a spot in your upper right quadrant on the right glute to inject

5) do it swiftly to avoid excessive freak out and unnecessary pain from breaking the skin.

6) plunge slowly (should take 45-60 seconds) and when finished, let it rest in the muscle for 20-30 seconds. Pull it out slowly.
 
That can be quite annoying, massage it out and dont put the juice in too fast and you probably don't have to push the needle all way. If glutes do it on the side, cause else when you sit it'll hurt you. It's the same thing there just more complicated to reach
 
I pin my glutes while standing, I just take the weight off whichever side I'm injecting (usually leave the ball of my foot resting on the floor) and twist my torso so I can easily reach my glute.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I pin my glutes while standing, I just take the weight off whichever side I'm injecting (usually leave the ball of my foot resting on the floor) and twist my torso so I can easily reach my glute.
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Yeah i think thats what im gonna do, so its safe to start injecting myself as a virgin to self injections(especially at M W F)?
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i think thats what im gonna do, so its safe to start injecting myself as a virgin to self injections(especially at M W F)?
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The only time someone else has ever injected for me is when my girlfriend asked if she could.
I started off with my quads, then once I realized how much hell I was putting myself through, I figured out how to do my glutes and medial delts.
Just do your research, fueledpassion gave you a great guide on how to safely pin your glutes, I've just never done it that way before.
 
My method is for a bulking body. I lose flexibility when I start bulking. Gut & lats get in the way and prevent proper twisting. The point of lying down is to anchor the body with the extra friction so I can pin.

Another method is to pick a side and lean all of your weight into a door way on the opposite side and pin in opposing side medial delt or lat.
 
fueledpassion said:
My method is for a bulking body. I lose flexibility when I start bulking. Gut & lats get in the way and prevent proper twisting. The point of lying down is to anchor the body with the extra friction so I can pin.

Another method is to pick a side and lean all of your weight into a door way on the opposite side and pin in opposing side medial delt or lat.
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Yea, no one knows about the lat
 
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