GOT BUSTED ON MY BLOODWORK!!! need advise
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I have full confidence in that but at the same time I lowered Deca so unless every ester unchained and showed on a test there is no way. My mind cant even comprehend what could cause this. I don't feel like I can run through walls, but a 480 FT that's more than many ppl's TT. This just doesn't make sense at all and I can't think of a variable that I'm missing
CatSnake
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huh.....
I can see the EQ and Deca still doing what I mentioned before (binding to the AR, lowering SHBG, etc), but I would have expected your totals to still go down.
my only thought it that somehow your metabolism is dumping out all the extra testosterone, hence the high free test? if your SHBG level is low, then I guess that might be part of the answer....
who knows-maybe the lab screwed up, too.
now I'm really interested in seeing your follow up bloodwork....
are you going to stop the EQ and Deca now, or continue?
Nac
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Biphasic elimination? I recall coming across this when researching oxandrolone halflife, where you see the typical initial plasma spike/elimination decline, but then a secondary plasma/elimination spike (as compound is released from tissue back into circulation). Id never seen this with IM testosterone PKs though, at least not like oxandrolone nor to the degree being presented here. And the secondary trend is always of lower magnitude.
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2kvette
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You may have a testicular tumor. Often times they secrete the beta or alpha subunits of hCG. Go get an at home pregnancy test and piss on it. Other than that, your deca or EQ may be faked with test.
FRITZBLITZ
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So I'm I'm headed to the gym and I hope I don't have a heart attack. Thanks for the responses. I'm still at a loss how this would differ much from ending a cycle. Also how on earth could it double. I will post both BW once I get the second 1. They say on BW LC/MS but reguardless all hormones were decreases and the numbers shot through the roof.
FRITZBLITZ
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It was suggested but not only is my scource great but my first set of BW would have been higher. because all chems were lowered or cut out. My next stop, probably in a month will be a endo. I want to keep my cycle going and finish but only in a safe way. since My doc is not cutting me off TRT but just letting someone else dig deeper, I could finish the cycle. However I am truley concearned. All I can think of is eat tons of Omega 3 to get my good cholesteral up and soldier on. Thoughts on continued compounds??
EDIT; If you guys think I should post all supps I take to figure this out I could, It's just a laundry list and they are not directly hormonal related.
2kvette
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You have fake gear or a hormone secreting tumor. One or the other.
FRITZBLITZ
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So obviously fake gear is NOT the issue. If I had testicular cancer how could it produce that much testosterone and, just happen to do it while I'm playing with the chems in my cycle? Seems like odd timing and something that serious would have been a concern for my doc. At the same time 2200ng of test came from somwhere in 20 days. I've known 2 ppl with ball cancer but their T levels were in the dumps
2kvette
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It goes both ways. And I said hormone secreting tumor, check pituitary as well. And testicular tumors do secrete testosterone. Not always, but some do.
If your certain your gear isn't fake then the only possibility is you are born with a one in a million p450 isozyme that converts most things straight to test. I've never read a case study like that though. All the ones in that realm actually go the other way, people lack the enzymes to make Test.
FRITZBLITZ
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Yes gear is far beyond g2g. I have a tight circle of friends that buy from a personally known but international connected ring of wholesalers [they source from great ugls but offer everything in pharm version and moneyback no questions] So I pissed on a pregnancy and got a boy..no it was negative and I do know that you have to have a cancerious tumor to have a clear positive so I'm not in the clear as for a pituitary tumor that is also benine minus the flood of Test. I'm not even thinking I'm special but \
1 can you develop this p450isozyme ?
2 can you point me in some good literature for this 1/10000000 phenomenon? I'm such a numbers guy and nothing makes sense. My doc even said "it's as if every hormone in your body is turning into Test...Which is not a good thing", I need my estro, DHT, and on and on but something is either breaking all esters or converting other stuff into Test
3 is there degrees of this disease or whatever?
FRITZBLITZ
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OK guys bear with me I'm going to try and lay everything on the table to start this is BW#1 that I was trying to side step Invalid Link Removed
If it's not visable let me know. I will post the second and third ASAP
I am actually worried about this regardless of what amount of gear you have ran. I like to have my numbers in the realm of what I expect not way way higher. The gear is beyond approach, it's G2g so that is not a variable. If you can see the BW it shows everything in the norm that they tested.
I have decide to get huge or die trying!!! I am already big but I can only see that my heart will be taking wear and tear. I am eating massive omega 3 pills 5 times dose and anything I know to boost my good cholesterol. As far as I know this is my only immediate risk [don't flood my mind with maybe this] So I am going to soldier on with a great diet except another 20 gr of fat from omegas.
I normally would just do my own research and bound that keyboard but this is not a easily found topic nobody says how do I lower my Test. So I'll lay everything out because despite what some may think, you need to have balanced hormones at least most of the time.
Supps on&off cycle
A slightly altered version of MK-677 15mg 5x/week
effexor 300mg [depression/PTSD]
Clonapin 1mg [PTSD nighmares]
Vite D 50,000 iu 2x a week [low D]
Remeron 60mg [depression/nightmares]
Sleep Aid Lunesta 4mg or Ketamine alternating [severe insomnia since teens]
Daily upkeep
BULL-Nox PWO .5 scoop 2x ed
Adam multi vite 1x3/week [supplement alraedy good diet]
Omega 3 3x/week [ "}
Guarana 3gr ED [only boost I dont freak out on]
Nettle Extract 3gr ed [ good for FT and small AI]
Zink 150mg [good maintaince ]
On Cycle or PCT
Aromasin as needed
Adex when needed
Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Nonla 20/20
Tongat Ali 900mg ed PCT
and trace micros as needed
If it's not visable let me know. I will post the second and third ASAP
I am actually worried about this regardless of what amount of gear you have ran. I like to have my numbers in the realm of what I expect not way way higher. The gear is beyond approach, it's G2g so that is not a variable. If you can see the BW it shows everything in the norm that they tested.
I have decide to get huge or die trying!!! I am already big but I can only see that my heart will be taking wear and tear. I am eating massive omega 3 pills 5 times dose and anything I know to boost my good cholesterol. As far as I know this is my only immediate risk [don't flood my mind with maybe this] So I am going to soldier on with a great diet except another 20 gr of fat from omegas.
I normally would just do my own research and bound that keyboard but this is not a easily found topic nobody says how do I lower my Test. So I'll lay everything out because despite what some may think, you need to have balanced hormones at least most of the time.
Supps on&off cycle
A slightly altered version of MK-677 15mg 5x/week
effexor 300mg [depression/PTSD]
Clonapin 1mg [PTSD nighmares]
Vite D 50,000 iu 2x a week [low D]
Remeron 60mg [depression/nightmares]
Sleep Aid Lunesta 4mg or Ketamine alternating [severe insomnia since teens]
Daily upkeep
BULL-Nox PWO .5 scoop 2x ed
Adam multi vite 1x3/week [supplement alraedy good diet]
Omega 3 3x/week [ "}
Guarana 3gr ED [only boost I dont freak out on]
Nettle Extract 3gr ed [ good for FT and small AI]
Zink 150mg [good maintaince ]
On Cycle or PCT
Aromasin as needed
Adex when needed
Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Nonla 20/20
Tongat Ali 900mg ed PCT
and trace micros as needed
CatSnake
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^why do you have PCT stuff listed when you're on TRT?
honestly, at this point I think it would be silly to continue your cycle. your bloodwork is messed up, and you need to figure out if there's a real issue or not. keeping the cycle going is just going to add in a bunch of variables that you have no real way of tracking...
honestly, at this point I think it would be silly to continue your cycle. your bloodwork is messed up, and you need to figure out if there's a real issue or not. keeping the cycle going is just going to add in a bunch of variables that you have no real way of tracking...
rtmilburn
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How the fuk did you get your doc to give you ketamine??????
Godstrength
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Ketamine treatment is the new thing... they like to administer it though and do it intravenously look it up. For depression and PTSD
rtmilburn
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I know I've been trying to get it for my depression, as nothing has worked so far, but no one is willing
FRITZBLITZ
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haha guys I take for a quick pick me up in the morning...It's a last resort for when my insomnia has kept me up for days on end. I'll have to fix the link I can only see 1 page of my BW
jh1
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My ex got several ketamine treatments. Worked quite well for her. It is quite difficult to find a facility that offers it though. Even harder to get insurance to cover it.
FRITZBLITZ
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With the risk of sounding like a newb. I see some 2 enormous out-liers and there must be something causing a false positive. The math doesn't add up. If all gear was T400 I would have felt it and it still would have gone down. There must be a suppliment that is showing up as Test [although I havn't increased anything] but the math alone does not add up there is not enough hormones going in to create this large number.
The only think in my BW that is unhealthy is my cholesteral and I have to raise that regardless so why not keep going? until I turn green and hulk out with a T level of 10000000
jh1
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Not sure where you're located, but FWIW, around here there are far more anesthesiologists offering ketamine treatments for depression/PTSD than psychiatrists. Usually as part of a pain clinic. You may already be aware, but if not, hopefully it will help you find someone willing to do it.
2kvette
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I would still stop everything and go retest. If numbers drop, gear was fake. The reason I keep saying fake gear is the chance you have a wild p450 isozyme is so so so low it's not even funny. It is however possible; as these cases are reported in the literature. But the reason they're even reported is because they're so rare. There's something like a couple hundred or maybe a thousand cases worldwide reported in all of scientific history.
Could also be a bad batch of EQ if your source was legit. Testosterone in the presence of selenium dioxide is used to make EQ. So the reaction may have not gone to completion.
1) technically you could develop this through random genetic mutation; but this isn't likely at all. All reported cases of this type of mutation were life long and starting at birth. No one noticed them until puberty when things become developmentally abnormal and it is discovered.
2) As for numbers, it's hard to say. As there are only a few hundred cases of something like this reported ever. Like, there may be 100 people or so alive on the entire with this type of mutation.
3) no degrees of the disease; either your genes are coded for the right enzyme or not.
LAH813
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FRITZBLITZ
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Here are first BWInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed There are 3 other guys who either are still in the middle or finished a cycle with 1 or both EQ and Deca. I keep saying gear is g2g. It's something else. I realize that abnormalitie is insane odds. The reason I posted all my meds ect. Is to see if 1 of them tricks the test.
The hormone math does not add up even if all 3 vials were test it is still not enough to get 5000.
2kvette
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It could be just your bottle. Drop each thing one by one, then retest. If you drop deca, wait 7 days, retest and it comes down, then we know for sure the deca was faked. And like I said, it could just be a bad batch, and having other people take it and say its g2g is subjective. Did these guys have bloodwork? Was their gear from the same batch and lot number?
FRITZBLITZ
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AS for the gear my bro did a Sust 450mg/ EQ 450mg/ Deca 450mg all the exact same gear except Sust instead of Test C He has finished cycle had great numbers. Also had 1 of the best cycles as far as gains and feeling great in the gym.
When you guys are looking at fake gear the mg still don't add up if all three compounds were all Test there would not be an increase when all compounds were lowered or discontinued... It;s just plain math that everything got lowered but Test shot through the roof. Unless EQ or Deca shows up on a 4:1 ratio as test
FRITZBLITZ
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The****EDIT**** 2nd set of bloods should be the lowest with 8 days 0 EQ/ 0 Deca/ and 19 days 0 Test
Doc thinks it's some anomaly. He realizes that it doubling is impossible and the amount of FT is so ridiculous that he thinks none of my Test is being converted to DHT, Estro, ect and It is not being metabolized and broken down in the liver.
2kvette
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Are you taking anything at all? I thought you were still on EQ and deca?
FRITZBLITZ
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Yes As of Now I'm still on EQ 300mg & Deca 300mg. I just skipped a dose of EQ/Deca [zero test 19 days] right before 2nd BW so it was the least hormones up till third BW pulled on doc visit which should be lower just from the esters running out on those breaks.
rtmilburn
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I would stop everything thing and go back your regular trt dose of test until you figure this out. Honestly
FRITZBLITZ
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I can appreciate that and I normally would but this is what I see as facts
1]The only health issue I have is low low good cholesterol, I have never had low cholesterol with Test at 300-450mg but EQ will hit my cholesterol a decent amount,
Fix I'm eating tons omega 3 and other stuff to raise it.
2] I know the numbers have to be scewed because unless I have that P450isozyme [nearly impossible] something I take is giving a elevated reading.
EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS WANT TO POINT OUT BAD GEAR THERE IS NOT ENOUGH GEAR GOING IN TO READ 5000. There has to be something causing a false reading. I am focusing on the meds a supps that I take and see if there is a reaction causing a false read.
***I have about 10 years of gear stored so I could swap to a diff EQ and I have Pharm Deca but ^^^this still is unanswered and I would rather not have 3 viles with a skull and crossbones on them lol
3] I don't feel like I'm on 1.2gr of Test. 550mg is max I have taken and I had sides like backnee, insane labido, needed higher AI [which brings in the question why I can get away with aromasin 25mg evening of pin day and 12.5 on reg days]
4] I have already lowered ALL AAS and seen the numbers 2x so what will I learn unless by chance I get BW in a month on 200mg/week of Test and have a TT of 1000ng, I will have no clue what caused this. or worse I go a month on TRT and still get a 5000+ reading
Conclusion: Either One or combo of my meds/supps are causing a false read or MK-677 has caused a pituitary malfunction/tumor and even with low FSH and LH it's causing a dump of Test [ in this case I'm fukked bad ] ......................way down the line is this P450isozyme [ still fukked ]
I don't see how ruining my so far good recomp cycle would do any true good. As long as I keep myself out of heart attack range, all this testing can wait.
***Also just before writing this, I took my first pin of Test-C 300mg/ EQ 450mg/ Deca 450mg and I feel better than I have felt over this whole ordeal and my ticker isn't pounding away, I don't have anything but good vibes.
rtmilburn
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You should drop all but test because you are putting more variables on the table making it harder for the doctors to help you.
2kvette
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The esters won't be even half way cleared. And if your stuff is faked, then those doses are more than enough to put you above 5000.
BBiceps
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^this^ Doctors are not dumb, he knows what you're doing, it's better you tell him than anything.
FRITZBLITZ
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Dude I appriciate the posts but you need to let the fake gear go... My first bloods that are posted are the same viles and I was on
Test 300mg/ EQ 450mg/ Deca 450mg
It is impossible to have 2x numbers when I cut out test 19 days and lowered EQ and Deca to 300/300 IMPOSSIBLE My post today are the only variables. The whole reason I posted my meds and supps is that maybe a med or supp messes up the testing since the math makes any variation of gear still impossible to lower all 3 and get 2x numbers.
rtmilburn
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Well if it's not fake gear you got a tumor the produces test(rare) that started since your last blood sample(insanely unlikely) that produces a ton of test without any single to due so(slightly uncommon) if you at all 3 that's near impossible. Or you have an enzymes that there are only a few thousand ever document to have(again extremely rare) or your gear is fake(happens ALOT). Come on do the math something not right here.
FRITZBLITZ
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So youre saying 300+450+450= 2800 and after 19 days the same viles 50+300+300=5000???
2kvette
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Yes; it takes testosterone cypionate 5 weeks to reach steady state, nandrolone(if it's that) 4 weeks, EQ 70 days to reach steady state(if it's that).
First shot steady state= 1000
Second shot= 2000
Third shot=3000
It's just so much more likely you have fake gear. It's just not likely you have this enzyme. And the PCR testing required to find out if you have it is going to cost thousands.
FRITZBLITZ
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I understand what your saying but 1st BW was pulled well into a a cycle where all 3 compounds were frontlaoded to the proper calculation so I had steady serum levels by day 3-4.
That would make sense if it was the beginning of a regular cycle but not the middle of a frontloaded cycle. I had already caclulted the esters and until lowering dosage I was on track to have steady serium levels until week 18 where EQ would go down to 400 because of the Undec build up.