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What should i stack with Test and Tren?

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wrxwhit said:
So he's 20, whatever, his choice!! Look at Larry Wheels at 21 lol!! Guys sucking down more juice than all of us put together. No, but honestly, a little young to be messing around. It's so easy to screw yourself up at a young age. Gotta think if you ever want kids and build a family or not? Your still developing believe it or not and hormones ain't nothing to mess with. If you decide to go ahead, you need nothing more than test/tren. Tren will eat the fat off your body. The nutrient partitioning effects from "good" tren is insane!! Mast or EQ would be the only other good add on to solidify gains and help to a point with sides. Hope you got caber and a strong AI on hand...
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Finally haha, btw man at my dosage of 150mg Test P and 300mg Tren A weekly do i really need a strong AI?
Im using ar1macare pro just because its better than nothing but isnt my test like TRT?

If this information is useful my estradiol bloodwork showed to be very low, lower than the minimum and my prolactin was an 8.
Ar1macare has estrogen and prolactin control, liver support, and cardio support which is why it seemed very useful for tren.
 
****, if ar1 is controlling e2 and prolactin sides for you, you sir are gifted!! My tits will explode unless I use Pharma caber with exem or adex at 400mg tren E. I like the long esters for longer runs turtle beats the rabbit style. Since you are performing blood work, roll with it but I absolutely would not start a run without Caber and a legit AI on hand and tren. Test that low isn't an issue but even tren at 300 is a good dose especially at 20 years old. Be smart please
 
JoeStethics said:
Yeah i read it on several studies saying nolva is bad on a tren cycle but supposedly it doesnt matter on pct now maybe thats why they recommend stopping tren 2 weeks before ending a cycle so that its out of my system?
Yeah im at 300mg of tren a week, kinda scared if its underdosed though.
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So you've already started?

If all your esters are short, then pct starts 3 days after your last pin.

Btw 150mg test per week is a waste. You're basically shutting down your own test to give yourself the same amount. Pointless.

350 test/350 tren (100 eod of each)

.5mg Alex e3d
.5mg Caber e4d
Ar1macare as labeled throughout
 
This is true 150 is a bit on the low side. I like 300mg test 400-450 tren is plenty to pack a punch. I just realized he's already started too or so it seems. So why we talking about what to stack now??? A run should be properly blueprinted waaaayyy before the run but then again 20 YO.
 
wrxwhit said:
This is true 150 is a bit on the low side. I like 300mg test 400-450 tren is plenty to pack a punch. I just realized he's already started too or so it seems. So why we talking about what to stack now??? A run should be properly blueprinted waaaayyy before the run but then again 20 YO.
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It took me 7 years before I wrapped my head around doing AAS and even then I still had questions that needed answers. Heck I already have my cycle ready and I'm not even starting it before September
 
Dma378 said:
So you've already started?

If all your esters are short, then pct starts 3 days after your last pin.

Btw 150mg test per week is a waste. You're basically shutting down your own test to give yourself the same amount. Pointless.

350 test/350 tren (100 eod of each)

.5mg Alex e3d
.5mg Caber e4d
Ar1macare as labeled throughout
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I only wanted to keep my test as TRT so that when my natural test shuts down i have something to replace, i would run tren alone if i could since i want it doing its magic.

What changes do u think i will see from increasing my test dose to 250 lets say?
 
wrxwhit said:
This is true 150 is a bit on the low side. I like 300mg test 400-450 tren is plenty to pack a punch. I just realized he's already started too or so it seems. So why we talking about what to stack now??? A run should be properly blueprinted waaaayyy before the run but then again 20 YO.
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The Test and Tren was for sure and i already read all these posts about what to stack and decided to not stack anything.
I started today btw, i just injected a couple of hours ago :p
 
JoeStethics said:
I only wanted to keep my test as TRT so that when my natural test shuts down i have something to replace, i would run tren alone if i could since i want it doing its magic.

What changes do u think i will see from increasing my test dose to 250 lets say?
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Here's the thing man, shutdown is shutdown. You're not saving yourself anything in terms of your own hormone production by keeping it at 150 over say 350 for a short period of time.

Since you've already started, I'll just say it. Do it right, quit pus$y footing around now. 350/350 get shredded like you want. You're pinning gear now pin some damn gear. 150 test...gtfoh with that.
 
Dma378 said:
brofessorx still big brother eligible?
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:spankme:
I still think op is a retard and has no business using steroids if he can't get to 10% bf all natural.
Sh1t I know
70 year old geezers that can do that. He's fcuking 20!
 
brofessorx said:
:spankme:
I still think op is a retard and has no business using steroids if he can't get to 10% bf all natural.
**** I know 6
70 year old geezers that can do that. He's fcuking 20!
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I used to be obese and I struggle to go under 15% bf without quickly coming back to 18% with any minor diet change (which is where I've been for a year)

10%bf isn't easy to reach for everyone, but I agree the guy is way out of his league here. He's too reckless and wont take a good advice.
 
Thegoodthebad said:
It took me 7 years before I wrapped my head around doing AAS and even then I still had questions that needed answers. Heck I already have my cycle ready and I'm not even starting it before September
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That's a great mentality. Besides steroids really aren't magic.. the ones that aren't ready physically or has the knowledge won't do good at all. I've seen countless people completely screw up and not getting any results. I mean steroids to me should be used for a physique and you just won't get it with one cycle if you've never worked out before
 
JoeStethics said:
The Test and Tren was for sure and i already read all these posts about what to stack and decided to not stack anything.
I started today btw, i just injected a couple of hours ago :p
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Keep up updated.. well 250 is sorth of a sweet spot and up to 500. Since doing tren there's no need to go above 250 for a new guy. I would go 250 test 300 tren max but that's up to you. Did you have a short ester tren ?
 
Chados said:
Masteron won't do anything for him and clen dangerous
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IMO yes clen is dangerous but so is t3, the t3 will deff have more of an effect on melting some muscle away with the fat, so if your going to do one why not the clen (know how to dose!!)... as far as the masteron I think it will be a lot better for your joints if you were to choose this over winny.. I think winny dries you out way too much and the sides aren't even worth it. Just trying to throw some better options out there!
 
Tfasulo said:
IMO yes clen is dangerous but so is t3, the t3 will deff have more of an effect on melting some muscle away with the fat, so if your going to do one why not the clen (know how to dose!!)... as far as the masteron I think it will be a lot better for your joints if you were to choose this over winny.. I think winny dries you out way too much and the sides aren't even worth it. Just trying to throw some better options out there!
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Winstrol is a more effective compund for him I mean. and jointpain is individual. Both t3 and clen are dangerous. No cutting steroid is worth using if you don't see abs in my opinion
 
At his age, he shouldn't be using steroids at all, especially to cut. Unless you're a competitive bodybuilder trying to get well down into the single digits, using tren to cut is unnecessary. Something like an EC stack plus self-control would work just fine.

Also, it's his 2nd cycle and his first one he admitted was a failure, which is another reason for him not to run tren right now. He should cut naturally, and then if he really has his heart set on using steroids, he can run a simple test cycle with a mild methyl kickstart to bulk later on.
 
brofessorx said:
:spankme:
I still think op is a retard and has no business using steroids if he can't get to 10% bf all natural.
Sh1t I know
70 year old geezers that can do that. He's fcuking 20!
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ffs man i said it like a hundred times why im using gear, not just to drop body fat.
 
Dma378 said:
Here's the thing man, shutdown is shutdown. You're not saving yourself anything in terms of your own hormone production by keeping it at 150 over say 350 for a short period of time.

Since you've already started, I'll just say it. Do it right, quit pus$y footing around now. 350/350 get shredded like you want. You're pinning gear now pin some damn gear. 150 test...gtfoh with that.
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I have always read and heard running tren much higher than test gives less side effects especially the trensomnia and night sweats, but i did also see many recommending 1:1 ratio.
Some people tell me im too reckless and some tell me im being a ***** :D
 
JoeStethics said:
I have always read and heard running tren much higher than test gives less side effects especially the trensomnia and night sweats, but i did also see many recommending 1:1 ratio.
Some people tell me im too reckless and some tell me im being a ***** :D
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350/350 is a moderate dose of each. You're not going to get the worst, or best, of each one. Yet it's actually enough to get something from them.
 
You're reckless because you are 20yo and you're already cycling steroids... I made massive progress just by eating right between 20yo and 24yo.
The only reason why I'm going to do a Test e + Tbol cycle next fall is because the gains and progress I make these days are just not satisfying anymore.

At your age you can't expect much more than negative feedback here... Your testosterone should be through the roof without even pinning yourself.

Anyway, you've already started your cycle so go ahead and finish it, but you better have a solid PCT planned. Don't forget that if you can't make progress without steroids then all you're doing is adding temporary weight to your frame... 2-3 months of feeling like the king just to lose all your progress isn't worth it in my book.
 
Thegoodthebad said:
You're reckless because you are 20yo and you're already cycling steroids... I made massive progress just by eating right between 20yo and 24yo.
The only reason why I'm going to do a Test e + Tbol cycle next fall is because the gains and progress I make these days are just not satisfying anymore.

At your age you can't expect much more than negative feedback here... Your testosterone should be through the roof without even pinning yourself.

Anyway, you've already started your cycle so go ahead and finish it, but you better have a solid PCT planned. Don't forget that if you can't make progress without steroids then all you're doing is adding temporary weight to your frame... 2-3 months of feeling like the king just to lose all your progress isn't worth it in my book.
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He already messed up his axis so that ship has sailed. If I were you I would lower test even just 50mg less than tren. 350mg of tren is not a weak amount. So get ready to lose your GF and a few friends, have sweats that you think you have malaria and you will stay awake masterbating till you start damaging your unit. Have fun you already bought the ticket for this ride so hold on.
 
I will keep u guys updated as Chados said every week with changes,side effects, and progress.

I know many of u were harsh because AAS is not a joke and i think i would use the same attitude at some point if i saw someone who seemed reckless so thanks to all and hopefully this goes well, btw i think i entered ketosis yesterday or today as my waist upon waking up was much tighter than before, my friends thought i was starving myself :p
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
He already messed up his axis so that ship has sailed. If I were you I would lower test even just 50mg less than tren. 350mg of tren is not a weak amount. So get ready to lose your GF and a few friends, have sweats that you think you have malaria and you will stay awake masterbating till you start damaging your unit. Have fun you already bought the ticket for this ride so hold on.
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Sounds like fun, but on a serious note i think im gonna keep my dosage the same just for the slightest problems such as acne and increased estrogen levels to stay as low as possible(safely).

Btw funny story, i broke up with my GF 4 months ago because i was planning a tren cycle and i knew i cant handle her on cycle, which got me thinking if i cant handle her on cycle ima leave her, plus im not gonna waste my tren superman dick on one girl while on cycle :p
 
Well just see how it goes. One thing to keep in mind is that stronger steroids can be harder to keep gains with so that's another reason to wait with tren. Anyways if you feel bad on tren go and ask for advice cause there might be some people with the same experience
 
Chados said:
Well just see how it goes. One thing to keep in mind is that stronger steroids can be harder to keep gains with so that's another reason to wait with tren. Anyways if you feel bad on tren go and ask for advice cause there might be some people with the same experience
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Yah you think your just taking a powerful version of Test with extreme anger. People that aren't informed and prepared can really start to feel like ****, don't know what to do and just end up wasting a cycle and doing harm to their body for 0 gains. I have ran Tren 6 times and I still start with ace because you never know what your in for. Stress from your job can push you in a bad way. You have to keep in mind Tren was solely designed to make cattle [not chimps, monkeys or bears nothing close to humans] grow muscle for no reason. That's about as un-natural as you can get.
 
FRITZBLITZ said:
Yah you think your just taking a powerful version of Test with extreme anger. People that aren't informed and prepared can really start to feel like ****, don't know what to do and just end up wasting a cycle and doing harm to their body for 0 gains. I have ran Tren 6 times and I still start with ace because you never know what your in for. Stress from your job can push you in a bad way. You have to keep in mind Tren was solely designed to make cattle [not chimps, monkeys or bears nothing close to humans] grow muscle for no reason. That's about as un-natural as you can get.
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I'm the calmest person ever and i have been annoyed on test so yeah i feel you
 
Chados said:
I'm the calmest person ever and i have been annoyed on test so yeah i feel you
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A gym buddy of mine lost his job after 2 months because he cursed his boss right to his face. The guy was probably right to do so, but there's a difference between angry enough to think about it and being angry enough to go through with it.
Before then he never talked back to a superior, but at that time he just got mad angry beyond measures. He started his cycle a few weeks before he got the job and just like that he was jobless again.

I don't want to scare JoeStethics, but roid rage is possible even if you think you have a lot of self control.
 
Thegoodthebad said:
A gym buddy of mine lost his job after 2 months because he cursed his boss right to his face. The guy was probably right to do so, but there's a difference between angry enough to think about it and being angry enough to go through with it.
Before then he never talked back to a superior, but at that time he just got mad angry beyond measures. He started his cycle a few weeks before he got the job and just like that he was jobless again.

I don't want to scare JoeStethics, but roid rage is possible even if you think you have a lot of self control.
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Yeah all I wanted was to work out and I was happy but as soon as something kinda got me out of my routine like asking me for a favour I got annoyed.. didn't say anything and did nothing , it took me 10 seconds to get over it like I completely switched..
 
****, that might be a problem as i already do have anger issues and get in lots of fights and arguments.
This should be hella fun now.
I already know about the tren aggression which is why i left my gf like i told u.
 
Chados said:
I can't believe you dump a girl to be in a cycle.
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Acquire aesthetics, disregard females brother.

Plus she was annoying and kept getting me angry at stupid ****, i used to call her cortisol and also as i said earlier i heard about tren dick and how powerful it is, so i cant waste it on one girl being in a relationship man.
 
You dump someone because there could be a chance your dick doesnt work? Thats weird enough as it is but you also said you dumped her because you will have a super man dick. I don't think you have any idea at all about anything in your life sir.
 
Chados said:
You dump someone because there could be a chance your dick doesnt work? Thats weird enough as it is but you also said you dumped her because you will have a super man dick. I don't think you have any idea at all about anything in your life sir.
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I think he's not clear on what the term "tren dick" really means LOL
 
Dma378 said:
I think he's not clear on what the term "tren dick" really means LOL
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I'm not sure he's really clear at all. Always ends up in fights, dumping a girl for what exactly? Going for the harshest compound.. if you and up in a fight the other guy might be a douche but if you always end up in trouble (you're) the problem. This guy needs to get a grip of his life clearly and stop using steroids to be some tough guy. The only reason i use steroids and I'm not a guy the does it often or all year around is because I want to improve my physique because I reached a point and that's a choice of mine and I'm aware of what risks I'm dealing with. I'm dosing low and as safe as possible and never will I use this to prove myself to others. This guy on the other hand is a lazy guy that wants to take shortcuts and tell everyone around him to go **** themselves because he doesn't get enough attention in life.
 
Chados said:
I'm not sure he's really clear at all. Always ends up in fights, dumping a girl for what exactly? Going for the harshest compound.. if you and up in a fight the other guy might be a douche but if you always end up in trouble (you're) the problem. This guy needs to get a grip of his life clearly and stop using steroids to be some tough guy. The only reason i use steroids and I'm not a guy the does it often or all year around is because I want to improve my physique because I reached a point and that's a choice of mine and I'm aware of what risks I'm dealing with. I'm dosing low and as safe as possible and never will I use this to prove myself to others. This guy on the other hand is a lazy guy that wants to take shortcuts and tell everyone around him to go **** themselves because he doesn't get enough attention in life.
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AKA...20 year old
 
Well at least he's entertaining haha

He just came here with the wrong attitude... He should have waited to be a bit more mature before jumping on steroids.

I just hope he's not gonna mess up his health by being too reckless. Personally, I made a conscious choice not to use Tren and go with the mild alternatives because my receptors are all fresh.

And I would never dump my girl just to avoid the possibility that she might annoy me while on cycle haha
 
My wife annoys me when I'm on cycle and when I'm off cycle... Be with someone long enough and they're going to annoy you sometimes. There is no such thing as a perfect relationship or a perfect woman. My wife annoys me, but at least she puts up with my crap, too. :)
 
There are companies making lifelike sexdolls. That's pretty much the only girlfriend you can have if you dont want to be annoyed once in a while.
 
First cycle with Tren here for me. I am 4 weeks in and I have had short bouts of losing my mind with rage. When I have my head on straight I am calm as can be, but a flash of pure rage comes out and I wanna rip somebody's throat out.( I feel dangerous) That and I have been feeling extra rapey, the old lady has been loving that. Currently t-500/tren-e/mast-e.......I wouldn't trade any of the bad sides for these workouts I've been having.
 
who said im using steroid to get tough? stop making **** up, im just telling u guys about my personality already, jesus christ man plus tren dick with the high prolactin is the problem but when everything is sorted i read that tren dick is very powerful(not gonna go into more details)

And jesus calm the **** down on judging the **** out of me.
 
We hear you bro...

But remember this a forum where a lot of experienced users go and they've seen it all.

They don't mess around with cute replies that will make you feel better about your decisions. It may sound rude, but it's exactly what you need.

Tough love is what you need atm. Take a step back, think and take the advices for what they are. Good advices.

I'm proven wrong once in a while here and I don't act like they should respect everything I say. Many of us here are very serious about our use of steroids and we value our relationships more than our use of AAS.
 
We get that you're young and commitment isn't what you're looking for, but comments like "Get better esthetics, disregard women" are just not helping you haha
 
Thegoodthebad said:
We get that you're young and commitment isn't what you're looking for, but comments like "Get better esthetics, disregard women" are just not helping you haha
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haha not u man , u werent judging me u were laughing ur ass off with me, man honestly **** relationships especially us who take care of our bodies we shouldnt be wasting all we can offer for one girl and being in a relationship.
 
Thegoodthebad said:
We hear you bro...

But remember this a forum where a lot of experienced users go and they've seen it all.

They don't mess around with cute replies that will make you feel better about your decisions. It may sound rude, but it's exactly what you need.

Tough love is what you need atm. Take a step back, think and take the advices for what they are. Good advices.

I'm proven wrong once in a while here and I don't act like they should respect everything I say. Many of us here are very serious about our use of steroids and we value our relationships more than our use of AAS.
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Yeah and i thanked u guys for it, but now they are just taking the piss at me for my lifestyle and the way i think and act which has nothing to do with gear :32:
 
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