Safest Very Long-Term Stack?

[ucimigrate]

Hi Everyone,

My friend is looking to get in shape for MMA fighting. He wants to retain all of his muscle mass, while slowly dropping 1/2 to 1 lb of fat per week.

I was thinking one vial of primobolan every five days (which is it's half life) and ten mg's of oxandrolone in the morning would be the safest possible stack known to man.

I'm guessing he could do this stack for at least 16 weeks, maybe even half a year. Then, judging by his blood-work, he'd need minimal post cycle therapy of clomid.

Again, this isn't to get him any bigger, simply retain his nitrogen balance while in low-calorie dieting and heavy exercise.

What are your thoughts?

 

[dvw]

Winistrol for 8 weeks would be good if goals is loss of 12 to 15 lbs.

 

[LAH813]

I know low dose ostarine has muscle sparing properties and can be taken for multiple months at a time.

 

[ucimigrate]

Winstrol is worse than oxandrolone for the heart, right?

Also, what are the negative sides of Ostarine?

 

[dvw]

All AAS can be bad for heart to certain extent. Some effect cholesterol more than others if that's what you mean.

 

[xGetxLeanX]

I actually took ostarine while training mma for 8 weeks I believe. It did good for muscle sparing and recovery.

MK was the best for me (everyone responds differently) but it cut me up better than any PH I've ran. Although it does increase appetite and some experience bloat (I didn't thankfully)

 

[LAH813]

Winstrol is worse than oxandrolone for the heart, right?

Also, what are the negative sides of Ostarine?

Negative sides of ostarine can be loss of libido/ suppression, raised BP, lethargy, estrogen spike. Etc. basically anything you'd expect of a sarm.
I will say, I don't like Sarms. I think they're shady and all the research that has been done of them has been at ultra low doses. I think people are hitting them too hard and too fast before any real information comes out.

 

[bobi593]

Osta 10-20 mg 12-14 weeks...

 

[mike33511]

No test?

Also, vials of Primo are like $70 each. So one every five days for 16 weeks would cost $14 a day or 16 × 7 × 14 = $1,568. And hopefully, you have a source for real Primo, as it is often faked.

 

[Chados]

I think it's weak to use hormones while going in to a fight. If you use it to get a nice body Its up to you but to cheat in order to hurt another man is disgusting. Same goes to any competition where steroids are banned.

 

[CatSnake]

Hi Everyone,

My friend is looking to get in shape for MMA fighting. He wants to retain all of his muscle mass, while slowly dropping 1/2 to 1 lb of fat per week.

I was thinking one vial of primobolan every five days (which is it's half life) and ten mg's of oxandrolone in the morning would be the safest possible stack known to man.

I'm guessing he could do this stack for at least 16 weeks, maybe even half a year. Then, judging by his blood-work, he'd need minimal post cycle therapy of clomid.

Again, this isn't to get him any bigger, simply retain his nitrogen balance while in low-calorie dieting and heavy exercise.

What are your thoughts?

uh, no.

guys use Winny to help them cut weight, but it's hard as **** on the joints. not really fun when you're training MMA....

anavar and primo would be nice, but they're pretty pricey, and if a guy is looking for a mild boost with few sides, testosterone is about as simple as it gets. 300 mg/wk would increase strength and endurance while making fat loss much easier. and way, wayyyy cheaper than Anavar. or primo. or most SARMs.

as far as running a non-aromatizing compound (primo, anavar, SARM, etc) for 16 weeks, well that's a bad idea. no estrogen means joint issues, cholesterol issues, etc.

again, test is best.

 

[fueledpassion]

Assuming Primo is real, 150mg EOD is plenty. More than plenty. I like the initial thought. Primo is mild but very anabolic, making it a perfect choice to cut with. People are glazing over the fact that Primo is a great hormone for super low calorie dieting.

Test it first. If positive for Primo, then donit.

And good primo is rarely $70/vial. More like $120-150/vial b/c it's that good when its real and not mixed.

The problem with Ostarine is that you have no easy way to tell what the heck you are getting. To this day, I don't believe GTx ever let their formula get out to the public. Most of that stuff is NOT Ostarine, plain and simple. It's a low dose of something else, which explains the bloat, gyno and suppression everyone is always complaining about. The reason I have that opinion is because while GTx was still in clinical Phase II trials with the stuff, they bought and tested dozens of different sources of supposed "Ostarine" and found only one source to be real. Project manager never told me who that source was though. I guess I could ask him...

 

[pyrobatt]

Hi Everyone,

My friend is looking to get in shape for MMA fighting. He wants to retain all of his muscle mass, while slowly dropping 1/2 to 1 lb of fat per week.

I was thinking one vial of primobolan every five days (which is it's half life) and ten mg's of oxandrolone in the morning would be the safest possible stack known to man.

I'm guessing he could do this stack for at least 16 weeks, maybe even half a year. Then, judging by his blood-work, he'd need minimal post cycle therapy of clomid.

Again, this isn't to get him any bigger, simply retain his nitrogen balance while in low-calorie dieting and heavy exercise.

What are your thoughts?

Testosterone , gw and mk677 hands down.

The bloat should be a non issue if he is not fat. He should be more concerned about weight class than looks anyway if he's serious.

 

[CatSnake]

Testosterone , gw and mk677 hands down.

The bloat should be a non issue if he is not fat. He should be more concerned about weight class than looks anyway if he's serious.

no way could I use MK if I had to make weight..... I put on a ton of water and my appetite was nuts. but if you were able to keep that under control, I'd stop the MK about 2 weeks prior to the fight so you could dump the extra water as you cut weight...

 

[CatSnake]

Hi Everyone,

My friend is looking to get in shape for MMA fighting. He wants to retain all of his muscle mass, while slowly dropping 1/2 to 1 lb of fat per week.

I was thinking one vial of primobolan every five days (which is it's half life) and ten mg's of oxandrolone in the morning would be the safest possible stack known to man.

I'm guessing he could do this stack for at least 16 weeks, maybe even half a year. Then, judging by his blood-work, he'd need minimal post cycle therapy of clomid.

Again, this isn't to get him any bigger, simply retain his nitrogen balance while in low-calorie dieting and heavy exercise.

What are your thoughts?

Also, if your friend has a PED test, I would look into micro-dosing with either testosterone prop, suspension or TNE.

 

[btur2915]

Assuming Primo is real, 150mg EOD is plenty. More than plenty. I like the initial thought. Primo is mild but very anabolic, making it a perfect choice to cut with. People are glazing over the fact that Primo is a great hormone for super low calorie dieting.

Test it first. If positive for Primo, then donit.

And good primo is rarely $70/vial. More like $120-150/vial b/c it's that good when its real and not mixed.

The problem with Ostarine is that you have no easy way to tell what the heck you are getting. To this day, I don't believe GTx ever let their formula get out to the public. Most of that stuff is NOT Ostarine, plain and simple. It's a low dose of something else, which explains the bloat, gyno and suppression everyone is always complaining about. The reason I have that opinion is because while GTx was still in clinical Phase II trials with the stuff, they bought and tested dozens of different sources of supposed "Ostarine" and found only one source to be real. Project manager never told me who that source was though. I guess I could ask him...

good primo is expensive, but not 120-150. if you are paying that then you are nuts. you can get great stuff for about 80.

 

[CatSnake]

good primo is expensive, but not 120-150. if you are paying that then you are nuts. you can get great stuff for about 80.

eh, that's my price, too ( $150/10 ml vial).

you might just have a good source...

 

[Nac]

...while GTx was still in clinical Phase II trials with the stuff, they bought and tested dozens of different sources of supposed "Ostarine" and found only one source to be real. Project manager never told me who that source was though. I guess I could ask him...

Please let it not be SARMS1, or whoever the parent company is. That would be just too much.

 

[btur2915]

eh, that's my price, too ( $150/10 ml vial).

you might just have a good source...

sweet baby jesus - what is the dosage?

 

[ucimigrate]

Thanks. It should be known that in Turkey, it can be sold over the counter at any pharmacy for around 8 Turkish Lira (about $4 USD) for a 1 ml vial.

Back to my original question; what is the safest long-term dose?

 

[CatSnake]

Thanks. It should be known that in Turkey, it can be sold over the counter at any pharmacy for around 8 Turkish Lira (about $4 USD) for a 1 ml vial.

Back to my original question; what is the safest long-term dose?

I'm gonna answer your question with a question: what androgen do doctors prescribe for men for long periods of time?