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hairygrandpa said:
What follows is not meant to offend certain community:
IMHO, problem is that many of the American atheists are gay people, who feel rejected by Christianity -instead of being atheist by a lack of believe and reasoning. That may reflect in polls when it comes to politics.
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Well the homosexual community has been pretty vocal against Christianity and conservative ways, they don't need to be numerous to sway virtue signally social liberals to join their cause; especially all social liberals organically have the same views on politics.

Most homosexual conservatives are closeted gays that tell themselves what they are is wrong so they stick with being in a horrible marriage with a wife because they know not to break up the family for lust or they just get some hanky panky on the side.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You're not actually stating anything other than you're blindly following the bible, but won't comment on which version. What are we supposed to prove wrong?
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Atheism has a bad ring to its name in murica.
Problem is, the "atheist community" in US is very vocal and almost militant about their disbelief, ridiculing religious people and pissing them off.
You don't see this in Europe, from what I know.

In US an "atheist" seems to be portrayed as being "against god", what a paradox, almost like the "satanic temple" is being portrayed as devil worshipers.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Atheism has a bad ring to its name in murica.
Problem is, that the "atheist community" in US is very vocal and almost militant about their disbelief, ridiculing religious people and pissing them off.
You don't see this in Europe, from what I know.

In US an "atheist" seems to be portrayed as being "against god", what a paradox, almost like the "satanic temple" is being portrayed as devil worshipers.
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The issue in Europe is that is occupied by mostly socialist atheists Invalid Link Removed and look where they are, they are virtue signally by letting in all those middle easterners. If they were Christians they would see that they are obviously the enemy to themselves and their culture but they are socialist atheists without culture so their perception is diluted by materialism
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Psychology today...shocking source lol. Which denomination of Christianity and which bible are you suggesting we all follow?
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Well what's your opinion on the photo with the excerpt from the book proving me right? I don't care what denomination people are, as long as they follow Christ and the Bible's teachings.
 
CJNator said:
Well what's your opinion on the photo with the excerpt from the book proving me right? I don't care what denomination people are, as long as they follow Christ and the Bible's teachings.
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Proving you right about what? I asked you which bible you're suggesting that people should base their morality on and you posted a picture of a psychology book. And if bible version doesn't matter, then you're in favor of incest and slavery? You're cool with racism and against women's rights?
 
CJNator said:
The issue in Europe is that is occupied by mostly socialist atheists Invalid Link Removed and look where they are, they are virtue signally by letting in all those middle easterners. If they were Christians they would see that they are obviously the enemy to themselves and their culture but they are socialist atheists without culture so their perception is diluted by materialism
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Nah....at least not in Germany.
Merkel is catholic and her party "Christian Democratic Union of Germany" is in power, making those fatal decisions.
Atheism is not a political view, I mainly noted that oppressed homosexuals, who falsely claim to be atheists, out of rejection by Christians, in US, could be influencing political polls, showing a pronounced liberal tendency.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Proving you right about what? I asked you which bible you're suggesting that people should base their morality on and you posted a picture of a psychology book. And if bible version doesn't matter, then you're in favor of incest and slavery? You're cool with racism and against women's rights?
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There is only one bible and no it's not a psychology book. Now you're getting off topic with your baiting, I merely stated there's definite correlation between increased sexuality and societal decline which has been proven to be right.
 
CJNator said:
There is only one bible and no it's not a psychology book. Now you're getting off topic with your baiting, I merely stated there's definite correlation between increased sexuality and societal decline which has been proven to be right.
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Well, for Islam your theory is backfiring. Sexual repression by religion is causing inflamed anuses to innocent donkeys.
 
CJNator said:
There is only one bible and no it's not a psychology book. Now you're getting off topic with your baiting, I merely stated there's definite correlation between increased sexuality and societal decline which has been proven to be right.
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You posted a picture of a book that you're being quite vague about. What is the book's author and title? You keep making these vague statements with no citations and a few pseudo-intellectual buzzwords pasted in. What is the timeline you're referring to in regards to "societal decline"? What metrics are you using? Is there a published study that you're referring to and can post here?

As for baiting, I'm not baiting. I'm asking a very straightforward question about which version of the bible and which denomination of Christianity you're suggesting that we base morality on. Wars have been fought over this and you want to wave it off as if it's not relevant? I'm not buying it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Well, for Islam your theory is backfiring. Sexual repression by religion is causing inflamed anuses to innocent donkeys.
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Well there a massive difference between Christianity and Islam in reality, polar opposites actually. Islam is growing, controlling, militarizing, condoning rape, condoning pedophilia, and violence. Christianity on the other hand is shrinking, demilitarized, loosing ground, and secularizing.

At that point you have to look at the types of individuals within and sympathizing with each religion, there you'll find the truth. Everyone claims to be a certain "ism" that's against anther "Ian" but is actually be controlled as a proxy for said "ism" to gain ideological imperium(cultural Marxism).
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Why is it a trap?
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C'mon we both know.
There are 33.000 Christian denominations:

Independents about 22000 denominations
Protestants about 9000 denominations
"Marginals" about 1600 denominations
Orthodox 781 denominations
Roman Catholics 242 denominations
Anglicans 168 denominations

Minimum 50 English translated bible versions.

Each denomination and bible version has slight-to huge differences.
 
CJNator said:
Well there a massive difference between Christianity and Islam in reality, polar opposites actually. Islam is growing, controlling, militarizing, condoning rape, condoning pedophilia, and violence. Christianity on the other hand is shrinking, demilitarized, loosing ground, and secularizing.
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Polar opposites?! They're both Abrahamic religions and condone the same things.
 
hairygrandpa said:
C'mon we both know.
There are 33.000 Christian denominations:

Independents about 22000 denominations
Protestants about 9000 denominations
"Marginals" about 1600 denominations
Orthodox 781 denominations
Roman Catholics 242 denominations
Anglicans 168 denominations

Minimum 50 English translated bible versions.

Each denomination and bible version has slight-to huge differences.
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Which is exactly why I'm asking for clarification. He's stating that there is only one!
 
CJNator said:
Well there a massive difference between Christianity and Islam in reality, polar opposites actually. Islam is growing, controlling, militarizing, condoning rape, condoning pedophilia, and violence. Christianity on the other hand is shrinking, demilitarized, loosing ground, and secularizing.

At that point you have to look at the types of individuals within and sympathizing with each religion, there you'll find the truth. Everyone claims to be a certain "ism" that's against anther "Ian" but is actually be controlled as a proxy for said "ism" to gain ideological imperium(cultural Marxism).
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Not as much differences, really. Christians "evolved" by simply ignoring inconvenient stuff of the "good book" when it comes to atrocities -or not working on a sabbath. Muslim did not (not the fundamentalists anyway).

Stoning disobedient children to death, as commanded by the old testament is quickly discarded, but the 10 commandments are cherished.
Cherry picking at its finest.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You posted a picture of a book that you're being quite vague about. What is the book's author and title? You keep making these vague statements with no citations and a few pseudo-intellectual buzzwords pasted in. What is the timeline you're referring to in regards to "societal decline"? What metrics are you using? Is there a published study that you're referring to and can post here?

As for baiting, I'm not baiting. I'm asking a very straightforward question about which version of the bible and which denomination of Christianity you're suggesting that we base morality on. Wars have been fought over this and you want to wave it off as if it's not relevant? I'm not buying it.
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Invalid Link Removed he published it in his book, there no information on it on the internet that I can find.

It's doesn't matter what version of the Bible nor does the denomination(I'm not sure why it would even matter), as long as the follow the teachings of Christ. Your bait was asking my opinion on slavery and woman's rights.

War is inevitable and will be found till the end of time, whether it's religious wars, democratic wars(ideological warfare), imperialism, the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on climate change, etc.... so blaming religion for this just ignorant. Man will always find a excuse to gain power and wage war.

You ignorantly criticize everything I've shown you yet you show nothing to prove you even can comprehend this idea nor have you refuted anything.
 
CJNator said:
Invalid Link Removed he published it in his book, there no information on it on the internet that I can find.

It's doesn't matter what version of the Bible nor does the denomination(I'm not sure why it would even matter), as long as the follow the teachings of Christ. Your bait was asking my opinion on slavery and woman's rights.

War is inevitable and will be found till the end of time, whether it's religious wars, democratic wars(ideological warfare), imperialism, the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on climate change, etc.... so blaming religion for this just ignorant. Man will always find a excuse to gain power and wage war.

You ignorantly criticize everything I've shown you yet you show nothing to prove you even can comprehend this idea nor have you refuted anything.
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So you've based your entire world view on a quote from an obscure anthropologist who barely published and has been used for propoganda purposes by the alt-right? Have fun with that!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Polar opposites?! They're both Abrahamic religions and condone the same things.
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You're ignoring the reality of the situations between the groups.
hairygrandpa said:
C'mon we both know.
There are 33.000 Christian denominations:

Independents about 22000 denominations
Protestants about 9000 denominations
"Marginals" about 1600 denominations
Orthodox 781 denominations
Roman Catholics 242 denominations
Anglicans 168 denominations

Minimum 50 English translated bible versions.

Each denomination and bible version has slight-to huge differences.
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Ok now I understand what he's saying, I'm talking about the oldest version of the Bible, the King James Version.
hairygrandpa said:
Not as much differences, really. Christians "evolved" by simply ignoring inconvenient stuff of the "good book" when it comes to atrocities -or not working on a sabbath. Muslim did not (not the fundamentalists anyway).

Stoning disobedient children to death, as commanded by the old testament is quickly discarded, but the 10 commandments are cherished.
Cherry picking at its finest.
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You acknowledge reality while deeming it negative, would you rather have Christians act like savages or be civil cherry pickers? Religion is only a means to domesticate man a certain way, each individual creates their own "picture" of god in their minds.
Aleksandar37 said:
Hey, just because he thinks he can keep trying to look smart by repeating the phrase "cultural Marxism" (which hack taught you that word; was it Milo?) and then make wild claims doesn't make my clarification a trap lol
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No I don't care for him and if you think the phrase cultural Marxism would make anyone smart then you're just ignorant. Obviously it was a trap to deem me morality illegitimate, people don't understand domestication and history itself.
 
CJNator said:
It's doesn't matter what version of the Bible nor does the denomination(I'm not sure why it would even matter), as long as the follow the teachings of Christ....
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Religion equals NOT politics, here is why:
Now I'm imagining CJ's society:

-All are poor (being poor is a virtue)
-Nobody works on Saturdays (or Sundays, choose your denomination) ,no medics, no police, no firemen, no pilots -all are worshiping at the temple
-Very few hospitals needed, praying solves illness, especially when ALL pray
- If Mexican overrun the US by force, we make friends with the foe, because we love our foes

Awesome....truly awesome.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Religion equals NOT politics, here is why:
Now I'm imagining CJ's society:

-All are poor (being poor is a virtue)
-Nobody works on Saturdays (or Sundays, choose your denomination) ,no medics, no police, no firemen, no pilots -all are worshiping at the temple
-Very few hospitals needed, praying solves illness, especially when ALL pray
- If Mexican overrun the US by force, we make friends with the foe, because we love our foes

Awesome....truly awesome.
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Lol religion is just a means to control the population, natural laws is the basis, common law reflects natural law, and the hierarchy(classes)in society creates order. Invalid Link Removed
 
If you want to know how society should be ran outside the pseudo enlightenments read propertarianism.com he's better with his words than I am.
 
CJNator said:
You acknowledge reality while deeming it negative, would you rather have Christians act like savages or be civil cherry pickers? Religion is only a means to domesticate man a certain way, each individual creates their own "picture" of god in their minds.
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I sadly agree. I prefer Christians, because they choose not to take their "guidelines" literally. Honestly, can you be a Christian by following only some of the commands? Are you then a half-Christian or a three-quarter-Christian?

You could filter only the good/convenient/socially acceptable passages out of any book ever written and follow it. Even "Mein Kampf" would work.

I gonna quit on this topic as it leads to nothing.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I sadly agree. I prefer Christians, because they choose not to take their "guidelines" literally. Honestly, can you be a Christian by following only some of the commands? Are you then a half-Christian or a three-quarter-Christian?

You could filter only the good/convenient/socially acceptable passages out of any book ever written and follow it. Even "Mein Kampf" would work.

I gonna quit on this topic as it leads to nothing.
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I don't think it's a matter of cherry picking but how one perceives the Bible, the church has failed to keep the Bible legitimate because of human psychological advancement. I need to start reading the Bible but also there a book on how the Bible itself is a parable which I wouldn't be surprised if it was, it would make more sense as one.

Also I wouldn't say it leads to nothing, keeping an open mind can send you down a rabbit while you would never expect.
 
CJNator said:
I don't think it's a matter of cherry picking but how one perceives the Bible, the church has failed to keep the Bible legitimate because of human psychological advancement. I need to start reading the Bible but also there a book on how the Bible itself is a parable which I wouldn't be surprised if it was, it would make more sense as one.

Also I wouldn't say it leads to nothing, keeping an open mind can send you down a rabbit while you would never expect.
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I agree to keep my mind open. I really do. I even would accept the existence of god if we find her.
As to reading the bible, I can recommend it.
I read almost all religious texts, that's what made me an atheist.
 
CJNator said:
Ok now I understand what he's saying, I'm talking about the oldest version of the Bible, the King James Version.
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Oldest version?!?! Where are you getting your horribly flawed information from? KJV didn't exist until the 1600s lmao. Oldest version lmfao
 
hairygrandpa said:
Atheism has a bad ring to its name in murica.
Problem is, the "atheist community" in US is very vocal and almost militant about their disbelief, ridiculing religious people and pissing them off.
You don't see this in Europe, from what I know.

In US an "atheist" seems to be portrayed as being "against god", what a paradox, almost like the "satanic temple" is being portrayed as devil worshipers.
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I dont even want to be a part of a "Atheist community,' that concept itself is ridiculous. People either believe in god or not, no organization needed for that, no need to judge a club.

Any "Atheist community" is really just a political made up community.

As an atheist, no atheist represents me, I only represent myself same should for any other atheist....and imo Christians should represent themselves and only directly to god since Christians as a whole arent exactly clones of representation when it comes to their religion. Same can be said for all religions and political groups.
 
CJNator said:
Also if you have any information or can find any proving me wrong I'll have no problem reading it.

Also I'll put it this way, the Bible provides a certain way of being to the already "existing" morality that everyday people go by unconsciously. Without this way of being there is just the moral (un)consciousness that has no direction. Without direction people don't see issues with certain actions in the name of liberalism(social and economical).
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Im not saying the Bible doesnt provide a path and direction for people and society, but I find it offensive (dont worry Ill be fine, lol!) that you think that is the only sense of direction and providing a certain way of being to the already existing morality.

My travels to China for example where it is primarily a Confusion society (that is not a religion) and also Buddhist (non-theist) moral consciousness and direction are on a good path.....providing a certain way to their already existing morality that people go by unconsciously imho are superior there then they are in the states where its primarily Christian (that is not a knock on Christians.)

Whats important is that you find direction that works for you, and if its the Bible then that great I 100% support you. That however is not the only means of having direction. The bible is not for everyone (although you probably think Im going to hell for that, I accept what you believe as well :)) and there are plenty examples around the globe of people with good moral consciousness and direction that are not Christian.
 
CJNator said:
The issue in Europe is that is occupied by mostly socialist atheists Invalid Link Removed and look where they are, they are virtue signally by letting in all those middle easterners. If they were Christians they would see that they are obviously the enemy to themselves and their culture but they are socialist atheists without culture so their perception is diluted by materialism
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I think its more of an influence and brainwashing by government, not because they are atheists or social atheists. Whatever silly group you think people belong or what label you want to slap on people to and their pre-determined political views Europe is a product first and foremost of big government that influences all non and religious people.

Europe is heavily Christian and atheists play a minority role in the political affairs of the nations.

Im afraid you need to just stop blaming Atheists for all the problems in the world when most people are religious just like here in the US with the 70% Christian, 23% atheist totaling 77% total god accepting people. More Christians voted for Obama and Hitlery than atheists.

These labels and names are just so silly, thats why this country is screwed up.
 
CJNator said:
Well there a massive difference between Christianity and Islam in reality, polar opposites actually. Islam is growing, controlling, militarizing, condoning rape, condoning pedophilia, and violence. Christianity on the other hand is shrinking, demilitarized, loosing ground, and secularizing.

At that point you have to look at the types of individuals within and sympathizing with each religion, there you'll find the truth. Everyone claims to be a certain "ism" that's against anther "Ian" but is actually be controlled as a proxy for said "ism" to gain ideological imperium(cultural Marxism).
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There are plenty of examples in Christian society that is militarizing, that is an absolute ridiculous statement about muslims.

Primary example which is currently most relevant is the USA which is 70% Christian and they voted in over 90% of the US government, House and Senate as Christian. They have bigger military budget then all the Muslim world combined.....all the world for the matter. We even militarize and radicalize Muslims and create terrorists. We start wars and have murdered and slaughtered millions of people.
 
CJNator said:
It's doesn't matter what version of the Bible nor does the denomination(I'm not sure why it would even matter), as long as the follow the teachings of Christ.
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It does matter because the "Bible" is the word of god and since there are so many different versions and translations of it it can have varying degrees of influence on people.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I agree to keep my mind open. I really do. I even would accept the existence of god if we find her.
As to reading the bible, I can recommend it.
I read almost all religious texts, that's what made me an atheist.
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Well the legitimacy of religion is in fact pretty crazy, to take the book serious is against reality and that is a issue with human psychological evolution. I meant on a grand scheme of things.
 
ax1 said:
I dont even want to be a part of a "Atheist community,' that concept itself is ridiculous. People either believe in god or not, no organization needed for that, no need to judge a club.

Any "Atheist community" is really just a political made up community.

As an atheist, no atheist represents me, I only represent myself same should for any other atheist....and imo Christians should represent themselves and only directly to god since Christians as a whole arent exactly clones of representation when it comes to their religion. Same can be said for all religions and political groups.
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There always will be communities, people always aim to group up so they can actually make a difference. Yea the community doesn't represent you but as long as you're an atheist you're a part of a certain part within that community.
 
CJNator said:
Ok which version is the oldest one? How about bring some information to the table.
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Who knows, Constantine (big government) had hundreds of Gospels and they tossed to rest out and they only picked 4 of them for release to the public and correct me if Im wrong its their approved translation. Over the years Gospels have been discovered such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary......

Id say the oldest gospels are the compilation of the original documents and that includes far, far more than 4 of Mark, Mathew, Luke and John.
 
CJNator said:
There always will be communities, people always aim to group up so they can actually make a difference. Yea the community doesn't represent you but as long as you're an atheist you're a part of a certain part within that community.
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No Im not. Never was and never will be, never want to be. Fuq atheists, doesnt mean anything to me if your atheist or not. There is no such thing as a atheist community.
 
CJNator said:
There always will be communities, people always aim to group up so they can actually make a difference. Yea the community doesn't represent you but as long as you're an atheist you're a part of a certain part within that community.
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What about people who prefer to bite their finger nails off with their teeth rather than using nail clippers, are they part of a community too?
 
CJNator said:
There always will be communities, people always aim to group up so they can actually make a difference. Yea the community doesn't represent you but as long as you're an atheist you're a part of a certain part within that community.
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What about people who prefer to bite their finger nails off with their teeth rather than using nail clippers, are they part of a community too? Perhaps PewResearch show teeth people lean toward Social Maoism?
 
ax1 said:
It does matter because the "Bible" is the word of god and since there are so many different versions and translations of it it can have varying degrees of influence on people.
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Well there a general civility and ideological trend in the Christian community, that why it doesn't matter what type of Bible they read. The tribal nature of the Christian community vs the Islamic community vs the atheist community are very different politically and ethically.

The Christian community promotes conservativism, social and political hierarchies and moral markets. The Islamic community promotes fundamentalism, social and political hierarchies, and immoral markets. The atheists community promotes liberalism(social and/or economical), social anarchy, and amoral markets.
 
CJNator said:
Well there a general civility and ideological trend in the Christian community, that why it doesn't matter what type of Bible they read. The tribal nature of the Christian community vs the Islamic community vs the atheist community are very different politically and ethically.
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So are Christian communities vs. Christian communities, and Islamic communities vs. Islamic communities and atheist communities vs. atheist communities who all vary VERY differently politically and ethically from person to person within each community. Religion or non-religious, that does not define people, their ethical morality and their character makeup. People define themselves and only for themselves.
 
Just wondering, taking a pew survey here Misfit do you belong to the "atheist community?" If so when and where is Bingo night?
 
ax1 said:
So are Christian communities vs. Christian communities, and Islamic communities vs. Islamic communities and atheist communities vs. atheist communities who all vary VERY differently politically and ethically from person to person within each community. Religion or non-religious, that does not define people, their ethical morality and their character makeup. People define themselves and only for themselves.
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Not really, people within these communities can be grouped in statistically. Each group has their patterns, the majority within these communities aren't conscious enough to realize this.
 
Human nature and be measured and mapped out through race, religion, IQ, and heritage. The only thats individual is the consciousness.
 
CJNator said:
The issue in Europe is that is occupied by mostly socialist atheists Invalid Link Removed and look where they are, they are virtue signally by letting in all those middle easterners. If they were Christians they would see that they are obviously the enemy to themselves and their culture but they are socialist atheists without culture so their perception is diluted by materialism
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So Europeans don't have a culture? I just had to throw that question out there.

I'm not here to debate, I don't have time and I really don't understand anything you say. No offense, but it seems to be a mishmash of catch phrases and incoherence.

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ax1 said:
Just wondering, taking a pew survey here Misfit do you belong to the "atheist community?" If so when and where is Bingo night?
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LMAO. No sir. I'm just a solitary practitioner of non-belief. I have my own little godless corner of the Bible belt here ;)

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