Danes
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I do believe you BUT its same problem in norway too.Tax tax tax tax , fees, VAT +++.
Donald Trump running for president
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I do believe you BUT its same problem in norway too.Tax tax tax tax , fees, VAT +++.
thebigt
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you know what they say...DEATH & TAXES!!!!
ax1
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As Independence Day comes around again we should spend a few moments between barbecue and fireworks to think about the meaning of independence. The colonists who rebelled against the British Crown were, among other things, unhappy about taxation. Yet, as economist Gary North points out, the total burden of British imperial taxation was about one-to-two percent of national income.
Some 241 years later, Washington claims more of our money as its own than King George could have ever imagined. What do we get in this bargain? We get a federal government larger and more oppressive than before 1776, a government that increasingly views us as the enemy.
Think about NSA surveillance. As we have learned from brave whistleblowers like William Binney and Edward Snowden, the US intelligence community is not protecting us from foreigners who seek to destroy our way of life. The US intelligence community is itself destroying our way of life. Literally every one of our electronic communications is captured and stored in vast computer networks. Perhaps they will be used against “dissidents” in the future who question government tyranny.
We have no privacy in our computers or our phones. If the government wants to see what we are doing at any time, it simply switches on our phone camera or computer camera – or our “smart” television. Yet today we continue to hear, “I’ve got nothing to hide.”
In a recent interview on our Liberty Report, Edward Snowden made the excellent point that, “saying that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.”
Think about the TSA. The freedom to travel is fundamental, and our Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures is the law of the land. But if you dare to exercise that right by purchasing an air ticket, you are treated like a Guantanamo Bay detainee. Don’t dare question as the TSA agents commit acts that would be crimes were they done by anyone else. Yet so many Americans still believe this is what it takes to be “safe.”
Think about the military industrial complex. The US government spends more on its military empire than much of the rest of the world combined. Our so-called mortal enemy Russia spends ten cents to every dollar we spend on weapons of war. Yet we are told we must spend more! Imagine the amazing peaceful scientific discoveries that might be made were so many researchers and scientists not on the government payroll designing new ways to end life on earth.
Think about the Fed. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 the US dollar has lost some 98 percent of its value. Is the destruction of our currency not a cruel form of tyranny, hitting hardest those who can least afford it?
I think it’s time for us to declare our independence from an oppressive government that seeks to control our money and our lives in ways unimaginable to those who rebelled against the British Crown in 1776. Our revolution is peaceful, and it concentrates on winning hearts and minds one at a time. But it marches on. We must reclaim the spirit of independence every day and every night and intensify the struggle against those who seek to impose tyranny upon us.
Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.
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Written by Invalid Link Removed
Monday July 3, 2017
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As Independence Day comes around again we should spend a few moments between barbecue and fireworks to think about the meaning of independence. The colonists who rebelled against the British Crown were, among other things, unhappy about taxation. Yet, as economist Gary North points out, the total burden of British imperial taxation was about one-to-two percent of national income.
Some 241 years later, Washington claims more of our money as its own than King George could have ever imagined. What do we get in this bargain? We get a federal government larger and more oppressive than before 1776, a government that increasingly views us as the enemy.
Think about NSA surveillance. As we have learned from brave whistleblowers like William Binney and Edward Snowden, the US intelligence community is not protecting us from foreigners who seek to destroy our way of life. The US intelligence community is itself destroying our way of life. Literally every one of our electronic communications is captured and stored in vast computer networks. Perhaps they will be used against “dissidents” in the future who question government tyranny.
We have no privacy in our computers or our phones. If the government wants to see what we are doing at any time, it simply switches on our phone camera or computer camera – or our “smart” television. Yet today we continue to hear, “I’ve got nothing to hide.”
In a recent interview on our Liberty Report, Edward Snowden made the excellent point that, “saying that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.”
Think about the TSA. The freedom to travel is fundamental, and our Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures is the law of the land. But if you dare to exercise that right by purchasing an air ticket, you are treated like a Guantanamo Bay detainee. Don’t dare question as the TSA agents commit acts that would be crimes were they done by anyone else. Yet so many Americans still believe this is what it takes to be “safe.”
Think about the military industrial complex. The US government spends more on its military empire than much of the rest of the world combined. Our so-called mortal enemy Russia spends ten cents to every dollar we spend on weapons of war. Yet we are told we must spend more! Imagine the amazing peaceful scientific discoveries that might be made were so many researchers and scientists not on the government payroll designing new ways to end life on earth.
Think about the Fed. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 the US dollar has lost some 98 percent of its value. Is the destruction of our currency not a cruel form of tyranny, hitting hardest those who can least afford it?
I think it’s time for us to declare our independence from an oppressive government that seeks to control our money and our lives in ways unimaginable to those who rebelled against the British Crown in 1776. Our revolution is peaceful, and it concentrates on winning hearts and minds one at a time. But it marches on. We must reclaim the spirit of independence every day and every night and intensify the struggle against those who seek to impose tyranny upon us.
Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.
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thebigt
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the democrats must think Donald trump is the smartest, most clever guy alive, they are convinced trump colluded with the Russians to rig the election---yet cant come up with a single shred of evidence....
as far as the European leaders all standing in their wolf pack smirking at trump for pulling out of the paris accord, individually they wish they had the balls to buck the pack mentality to do what is in the best interest of their individual country. I seriously think they begrudgingly respect trump for being willing to take the heat to do what he thinks is best for his country.
as far as the European leaders all standing in their wolf pack smirking at trump for pulling out of the paris accord, individually they wish they had the balls to buck the pack mentality to do what is in the best interest of their individual country. I seriously think they begrudgingly respect trump for being willing to take the heat to do what he thinks is best for his country.
hairygrandpa
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That was a bit much for my brain, LOL. Can't wrap my head around it... have to think it over ...
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Jiigzz
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He like communism
CJNator
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Lol I recommend reading Reactionary Liberty by Robert Taylor, it's like the red pill for libertarians. You can go on his website and email him for a free pdf of the book. It sent me far down the rabbit hole.
CJNator
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No, I advocate property en toto, traditional values, and natural law. Communism is either totalitarianism or libertinism.
ax1
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Political labels are stupid....be like me, a political atheist! Rrrr then again Im labeling myself, lol but you know what I mean.
hairygrandpa
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ax1
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Hey thanks for bringing to my attention those Putin interviews with Oliver Stone. Im about half way done with part 4, its very fascinating indeed!
Aleksandar37
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ax1
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Then millions of minions here wouldnt know who to vote for because nobody would belong to some exclusive elite group that dictates who they are supposed to vote for before the elections are ever even started!
Imagine if we eliminate pre-determined elections here in the US and people had to think about their choices what would happen? Utter CHAOS!!!
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CJNator
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I would but there's no direction at that point, if we don't label ourselves others will. Even I have recently became a Christian again, not because I believe in God but because I've realized the majority of the population needs God. Without God, people turn to the State rather then their family, tribe, community or church. Statistically most atheists are social liberals.
CJNator
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Probably libertinism, the majority of the population don't understand how their own selfish/degenerative actions effect society and even themselves.
ax1
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Im a trillion % atheist and know a bunch of atheists around my circles than tell the state to go F' themselves and are not socialist liberal minions....I dont think its accurate to say that if you dont have a god that you will cling to big government.
I can bet there are far more Christians, Jewish and Muslims than atheists that that turn to state than atheists.
ax1
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You would be free from state promoted conditioned thinking....free thought would be a positive direction from the current status quo.
ax1
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Really being a atheist or Christian does not dictate your political beliefs and the act of state worship. I was just reacting before
ax1
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I dont really know the stats or if such a thing exists, but arent Christians, Jews and even some Muslims also liberal too in their political views? And libertarian, and right wing, and left wing, and north east, and east east west, and the so called middle, and my favorite...all and every direction including middle are full of shyt, lol!
I mean I know I have met some liberals of all kinds of backgrounds including atheists.
ax1
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They interviewed a measly 35,000 people from who knows where, should I take these stats seriously? Any why didnt they ask me?
Didnt mean disrespect by saying that.
CJNator
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Well you'd have to sit back and think about free thought without state promoted conditioning/domestication.
Generally/historically it's inevitable so why not have a order that promotes natural law, conservative values, and legitimate order? People will never and should never be in a stateless society, it's would be cultural chaos; Hans Hermann Hoppe was correct in certain aspect but he's merely a proxy for finding realizing the truth. Curt Doolittle corrected him and many other philosophers with science and mathematics.
The post modern state is extremely flawed in many aspects.
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5). No sign of tradition anywhere, cultural Marxism everywhere
6). Individualism(social and economic liberalism) has destroyed the idea of organic collectivism to achieve imperium
ax1
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I dont really know....we have 2 issues CJNator bought to the table....
One was correlating atheism to Liberal Ideology. This Country is 70% Christian and only 23% atheist yet the Liberal Candidate got the most votes the last 3 Presidential elections while atheists have the minimal influence on votes.
The other issue was linking atheism and the lack of accepting a god to state-ism...being that religious god accepting people have the dominant majority influence of the countries votes, they are the primary blame of consistently voting and putting to power big giant monster sized politicians and parties (includes liberal and conservative groups)....not atheists.
That being said....just wanna make sure Im not trying to disrespect religious people, want to make sure people know that.
Aleksandar37
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Actually I would say it is the opposite of libertinism that has played a major factor in getting us into the mess we're in. People need to focus on themselves and less on what consenting adults wish to do.
Aleksandar37
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Oh look, another government supressing proof of Saudi-funded terrorism. Trump must be so proud of his buddy May
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CJNator
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You're correct, it's not a major key role in the mess we have; it's merely a symptom.
The only reason people focus on what other consenting adults do is because on a mass scale it effects their society(I doubt on a conscious level, it's merely familiarism which is a legitimate reason to do so).
hairygrandpa
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Really weird statement. Christians have christian believes, they don't call themselves christian if they only like the church music -or because the neighbors are holding the same believe....wait...ehm...never mind.
If you can stand on your own feet, you don't need to follow anyone. If everybody jumps of a cliff, you follow too?
I'm only 100% atheist -but I'm a trillion % convinced I don't like ANY government.
Aleksandar37
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How?
CJNator
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Well that's the issue, everyone is following the crowd rather then following the Bible religiously without being moral relativists. Christianity is a means to combat cultural Marxism(the crowd you speak of). Cultural Marxists don't value hierarchy, they see the State as a means to implement egalitarianism rather then keeping order in society.
CJNator
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Well I can't directly site information without sending you a book to read but basically as society loses its freedom/becomes less prosperous as pre marital sex/sexuality increases. Degeneration of a society can be measured on a mass scale and it can correlate with individual issues in society, especially ones that go against the Bible.
Now rationally speaking, mixing civil individuals with different cultures will create ideological warfare in democratic system, because of this both types of individuals forget about the main priorities of a government which is maintaining order and prosperity.
Aleksandar37
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Which denomination of Christianity and which version of the Bible are you talking about? If we're going to go down this rabbit hole, I'd like to know where you're coming from first. And feel free to cite sources or send a book. I'd prefer to know exactly what you're referring to.
CJNator
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I'm not offended, I understand what you mean but it's just a general mind set. If the means is to create order in society we'd have to look at the bigger picture, generalization is the only way.
To dictate how a civil a society is you must group their citizens by IQ, of the majority of the population are white male social liberal atheists and that society is on its way to failing then we must look at that group of people and find the issue. Measurement via studies will show this. If social liberalism is the issue than the issue is the indoctrination method, so at this point it's either the Bible or State schooling. Most conservatives are white Christian males.
Most people see race, political identity, and religion as useless, that we are all humans. What they fail to realize is that measurements say otherwise, that when grouping individual to measure outcomes in civilization it is extremely necessary if we want a positive outcome.
ax1
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Yes there would be a big difference between 35,000 athiests in NY and Cali than Tennesee and Texas for example. People's ideas are more so influenced by region than religion or lack of.
I think the more meaningful statistic is the country being dominated by 3/4ths religious people compared to the little of a minority atheists really influence politics in this country. To blame atheists for state-ism and liberalism with the counter option being accepting a god as the opposing view to state-ism and social liberalism makes no logical sense to me, its mathematically impossible.
rtmilburn
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Well and another thing is, Christian is such a broad term to that doesn't portray the picture accurately; in this case. I'm sure born agains and Catholics are gonna have different views politically.
Also as I said before location and even race. Such as Mexican-american, Catholics, are typically going to have a different view than Caucasian Catholics.
What about income? Usually the middle class is going to have a different point of view as the lower class.
To truly make an accurate study, you would need to account for these variables; but that requires the luxury of time and money that these "researchers" don't have.
That is were margin of error comes in, which is calculated number best off of an arbitrary number called "level of confidence". The higher the confidence the higher the margin of error. However, you also have to factor in sample size and like I said 35000 is a massive sample size; for this type of "study".
To be honest most every study is massively flawed. Statistics are usually used to manipulate people to see/thinking a certain way.
CJNator
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Also if you have any information or can find any proving me wrong I'll have no problem reading it.
Also I'll put it this way, the Bible provides a certain way of being to the already "existing" morality that everyday people go by unconsciously. Without this way of being there is just the moral (un)consciousness that has no direction. Without direction people don't see issues with certain actions in the name of liberalism(social and economical).
"As long as people are economically free who cares what they do"- the economic liberal
"As long as everyone's equal who cares about how much the state controls"- the social liberal
Whether or not these individuals want to accept it, in the long wrong they are condoning inhuman immoral degenerative acts in the name of individualism and economic freedom. They may not directly condone it but disregarding these acts in society by excluding them from their own personal bias doesn't make them disappear.
Also I'll put it this way, the Bible provides a certain way of being to the already "existing" morality that everyday people go by unconsciously. Without this way of being there is just the moral (un)consciousness that has no direction. Without direction people don't see issues with certain actions in the name of liberalism(social and economical).
"As long as people are economically free who cares what they do"- the economic liberal
"As long as everyone's equal who cares about how much the state controls"- the social liberal
Whether or not these individuals want to accept it, in the long wrong they are condoning inhuman immoral degenerative acts in the name of individualism and economic freedom. They may not directly condone it but disregarding these acts in society by excluding them from their own personal bias doesn't make them disappear.
CJNator
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It's irrelevant what type of Christian said individual is and what economic class they are, as long as they follow the teachings of Christ and the Bible. Christianity is a means to domesticate man, no matter what class and race they are. Once people stray away from these teachings they use worldly means to survive, at this point economic class is a factor. A poor low IQ individuals will make worse choices compared to a high IQ Middle and upper class individuals. Even then the lower IQ individuals may slip up and commit crimes or stray away from the teachings, this is why we need a legitimate hierarchy to keep order in society.
hairygrandpa
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What follows is not meant to offend certain community:
IMHO, problem is that many of the American atheists are gay people, who feel rejected by Christianity -instead of being atheist by a lack of believe and reasoning. That may reflect in polls when it comes to politics.
Aleksandar37
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You're not actually stating anything other than you're blindly following the bible, but won't comment on which version. What are we supposed to prove wrong?