Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing

Holy crap! you must be huge!


You KNOW a big part is just water weight.....and the rest of course is pure muscle!

LOL!
I found the "holy-bulking-grail" while recomping (kidding)!
Problem is, even a diuretic does not work to get rid of the water.
Today is a fasting day, zero food. Tomorrow low carb and 1000kcal max.

Rethinking my approach... I'll cut the CJC + MK too. This much water weight gain isn't a joke, better safe than sorry.
 
Lesson learned:

I read about the importance of drinking LOTS of water when on cycle. Never felt like it -and had my doubts.

Not anymore.
Yesterday I started drinking water throughout the day, having between 2-3 gallons in total.
My water weight just fell off over night, waking up hourly to urinate. I could virtually see how I got smaller.
For me its an eerie experience, did not know about this dramatic effect until now.

Yesterday: 232.5lbs , today: 220.5lbs. No joke, no fluke.

12lbs lost in one day! Looks like a Guinness record.

Will keep my low cal/low carb diet. Since the CJC is still in my blood, no need to drop it, now watching my water intake.
 
Lesson learned:

I read about the importance of drinking LOTS of water when on cycle. Never felt like it -and had my doubts.

Not anymore.
Yesterday I started drinking water throughout the day, having between 2-3 gallons in total.
My water weight just fell off over night, waking up hourly to urinate. I could virtually see how I got smaller.
For me its an eerie experience, did not know about this dramatic effect until now.

Yesterday: 232.5lbs , today: 220.5lbs. No joke, no fluke.

12lbs lost in one day! Looks like a Guinness record.

Will keep my low cal/low carb diet. Since the CJC is still in my blood, no need to drop it, now watching my water intake.

You of all people should have known better....lol
 
You of all people should have known better....lol

Should have done this way before popping medicine fore high blood pressure.
I'm an old stubborn fart.

Now slowly lowering dose on BP meds, ...sigh...
 
Got to drink that water! you will get use to it. I get up to piss 1-2 times a night about ready to explode.
I'm not a big water fan so I just chug 32oz. @ room temp. about every 2 hrs. sometimes I chug 2ea. 32oz before I go to bed if i'm behind schedule. hell I can't even sit through a meeting without having to piss, add in a pot of coffee and I piss like a racehorse.
If i sip it it takes forever or i forget.
 
Got to drink that water! you will get use to it. I get up to piss 1-2 times a night about ready to explode.
I'm not a big water fan so I just chug 32oz. @ room temp. about every 2 hrs. sometimes I chug 2ea. 32oz before I go to bed if i'm behind schedule. hell I can't even sit through a meeting without having to piss, add in a pot of coffee and I piss like a racehorse.
If i sip it it takes forever or i forget.

You should have told me a year ago, LOL!

I virtually can see my body changing for the better, unbelievable.
Now supplementing the water with electrolytes.
 
You should have told me a year ago, LOL!

I virtually can see my body changing for the better, unbelievable.
Now supplementing the water with electrolytes.

Dont over do the electrolytes. it might cause kidney stones. I only use them with my pre and intra.

I use beer when I have been outside sweating all day. plus the buzz is better. (this is probably bad advice)
 
Dont over do the electrolytes. it might cause kidney stones. I only use them with my pre and intra.

I use beer when I have been outside sweating all day. plus the buzz is better. (this is probably bad advice)

Nah, me overdoing things? Not my character. LOL

I hear you. :)
You got me with the beer idea...for a moment, LMAO!
 
Lesson learned:

I read about the importance of drinking LOTS of water when on cycle. Never felt like it -and had my doubts.

Not anymore.
Yesterday I started drinking water throughout the day, having between 2-3 gallons in total.
My water weight just fell off over night, waking up hourly to urinate. I could virtually see how I got smaller.
For me its an eerie experience, did not know about this dramatic effect until now.

Yesterday: 232.5lbs , today: 220.5lbs. No joke, no fluke.

12lbs lost in one day! Looks like a Guinness record.

Will keep my low cal/low carb diet. Since the CJC is still in my blood, no need to drop it, now watching my water intake.

So, drinking more water == less water retention?

Must be flushing extra sodium from your body thereby resulting in less water held by it? (just guessing)
 
So, drinking more water == less water retention?

Must be flushing extra sodium from your body thereby resulting in less water held by it? (just guessing)

Here a video I saw, before I began with this "therapy".

[video=youtube;XNQzDUgQEPo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQzDUgQEPo[/video]
 
"Tricking the body" 1:20 mark - 2:00 is what convinced me. Unbelievable how that works, really...
It was not just drinking more. I forced more than 2 gallons into me in a day. Over night peeing and losing 12lbs.
 
"Tricking the body" 1:20 mark - 2:00 is what convinced me. Unbelievable how that works, really...
It was not just drinking more. I forced more than 2 gallons into me in a day. Over night peeing and losing 12lbs.

At the 5 minute mark (give or take) he talks about hot bath/shower/hot tub for losing water weight, saying he loses between 4 and 8 lbs (water weight) per hour with a hot tub. It got me to thinking back to when I weighed myself before and after a shower and dropped about 1 lb in between and was surprised (and some were incredulous of my results and questioned my measurements, even I questioned them). But it may well have been water weight (I do sometimes take a really hot shower).

Since I hurt my back I have had a smaller than normal appetite and also not drinking as much (water or anything else for that matter). It might be the meds, or just my body's reaction to the constant background pain. I am going to try to force myself to drink more. Normally I am waking up 3 or 4 times a night to pee, lately I have been up just once or twice per night, with the 2nd time being close to time to get up anyways.
 
At the 5 minute mark (give or take) he talks about hot bath/shower/hot tub for losing water weight, saying he loses between 4 and 8 lbs (water weight) per hour with a hot tub. It got me to thinking back to when I weighed myself before and after a shower and dropped about 1 lb in between and was surprised (and some were incredulous of my results and questioned my measurements, even I questioned them). But it may well have been water weight (I do sometimes take a really hot shower).

Since I hurt my back I have had a smaller than normal appetite and also not drinking as much (water or anything else for that matter). It might be the meds, or just my body's reaction to the constant background pain. I am going to try to force myself to drink more. Normally I am waking up 3 or 4 times a night to pee, lately I have been up just once or twice per night, with the 2nd time being close to time to get up anyways.

Waking up at night and pee, without having drunk a lot, could be a sign of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). I have stage 2 of BPH and take Pygeum, Saw Palmetto and Beta-Sitosterol. Did not wake up to pee at night since using those 3 supplements. "Now-food" has a product combining Pygeum and Saw Palmetto, look it up. Beta Sitosterol I buy in bulk and encapsulate it.
-May be interesting info for Studhorse too.
 
Waking up at night and pee, without having drunk a lot, could be a sign of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). I have stage 2 of BPH and take Pygeum, Saw Palmetto and Beta-Sitosterol. Did not wake up to pee at night since using those 3 supplements. "Now-food" has a product combining Pygeum and Saw Palmetto, look it up. Beta Sitosterol I buy in bulk and encapsulate it.
-May be interesting for info for Studhorse too.

My prostate is good. I get the finger wave once a year. I pee because I usually hammer 64oz. of water before I go to bed.
 
My prostate is good. I get the finger wave once a year. I pee because I usually hammer 64oz. of water before I go to bed.

LOL!!!
They used ultra sound for me, I skipped the finger. LOL

I take the PSA test at least yearly. My last doctor told me the accuracy is at least as good as the "finger wave". Although my current doctor still wants to "say hello" during my physical this year :(. Even though my PSA scores are extremely low. Over 4.5 is considered "at risk", if I recall. My test scores have consistently been .50 ~ .54.

EDIT: And I also pee at night because I normally drink a ton of water right up until bed time.
 
Lesson learned:

I read about the importance of drinking LOTS of water when on cycle. Never felt like it -and had my doubts.

Not anymore.
Yesterday I started drinking water throughout the day, having between 2-3 gallons in total.
My water weight just fell off over night, waking up hourly to urinate. I could virtually see how I got smaller.
For me its an eerie experience, did not know about this dramatic effect until now.

Yesterday: 232.5lbs , today: 220.5lbs. No joke, no fluke.

12lbs lost in one day! Looks like a Guinness record.

Will keep my low cal/low carb diet. Since the CJC is still in my blood, no need to drop it, now watching my water intake.

Yeah - I drink 2-3 gallons of water throughout the day. I am constantly drinking. It's probably the only good habit I have.

Dont over do the electrolytes. it might cause kidney stones. I only use them with my pre and intra.

I use beer when I have been outside sweating all day. plus the buzz is better. (this is probably bad advice)

This is news to me? Calcium, yes - but Sodium/Potassium/Magnesium I've never heard. Actually, Potassium Citrate is really good at breaking up and preventing stones; which is a reason I choose this source when I do supplement potassium. Do you know more about this...it may be something for me to learn here.

So, drinking more water == less water retention?

Must be flushing extra sodium from your body thereby resulting in less water held by it? (just guessing)

Yes. Actually, more salt also = less water retention too. When people tell me salt causes them to get bloated, I get a twitch because it's just such a common myth that goes along with, "salt increases high blood pressure" and really shows a limited understanding.

So, our body constantly measures the CONCENTRATION of electrolytes in our blood. Water increases our blood volume and lack of water decreases our blood volume. This means a lack of water should, in theory, increase our electrolyte concentrations, and an increase in water should lower our electrolyte concentrations.

If our body sees that we have a high concentration of sodium in our blood - it will release vasopressin to cause us to retain fluid and thus dilute the concentration of water in our blood. So, if you are retaining fluids it is because your body does not have enough water to dilute the sodium it has in its system and is releasing more hormone to form a balance. So yes, you get bloated...until a balance is achieved again and then you reduce vasopressin levels.

Now, if you are chronically dehydrated, you will chronically have elevated vasopressin levels and become very sensitive to small changes in water volume. i.e. - if you drink a little extra water, you will bloat a little more because you are not solving the issue and your vasopressin remains high.

But if you drink enough water, you will dilute the sodium and solve the problem, your kidneys will stop releasing vasopressin, and BANG - water flush.

In other words, it's all part of a complex feedback loop that I have simplified and a big reason I have simplified it is because I don't fully understand it either.

But sodium also causes a similar feedback loop. If you have too little sodium, your hormones will try to stabilize by retaining salt and dumping potassium - which can become a chronic problem and can cause a small increase in salt to make you feel bloated from the water retention that goes with it.

In other words - people who bloat from salt are often bloating because they are not drinking enough and because they are limiting their salt intake. Once they put control back in the hands of their body and provide it with an abundance of what it needs, the body normalizes and the water and salt issues go away. So when someone says they bloat from salt intake, tell them to drink more water and increase their salt intake on a regular basis - eventually they will normalize and the issues will go away.

Of course - this is providing they are functioning normally. Some diseases can upset this also.
 
Sorry guys - I actually find the entire vasopressin/anti-diuretic hormone thing to be pretty interesting. It reaches areas that we don't often think about. For instance, vasopressin appears to have a role in the sleep/wake cycle - which makes sense, since you'd want to retain water during your sleeping periods.

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Vasopressin and Oxytocin are closely related - and play roles in depression, mental disorders, diabetes pathology, blood pressure....you name it.

So, in a way, proper hydration may be even more important than we realize.
 
Sorry guys - I actually find the entire vasopressin/anti-diuretic hormone thing to be pretty interesting. It reaches areas that we don't often think about. For instance, vasopressin appears to have a role in the sleep/wake cycle - which makes sense, since you'd want to retain water during your sleeping periods.

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Vasopressin and Oxytocin are closely related - and play roles in depression, mental disorders, diabetes pathology, blood pressure....you name it.

So, in a way, proper hydration may be even more important than we realize.

Interesting indeed... will keep reading about it.
 
"Anything counter intuitive will always be news to the masses."

I'm just happy the bloats down and you're feeling better....
 
"Anything counter intuitive will always be news to the masses."

I'm just happy the bloats down and you're feeling better....

what if I told you that it didn't work that way??? Lol...sorry couldn't resist.

Good quote ...I like it.
 
"Anything counter intuitive will always be news to the masses."

I'm just happy the bloats down and you're feeling better....

Not only that, I'm truly converting...metamorphosis... into a butterfly! :)
 
Took 4 days off, as part of my deconditioning. Today only pumping blood into the muscles, doing a bit of everything.
Tomorrow the same -and Saturday full retard mayhem again.
 
Ended today my one week deconditioning with a full retard low-weight-high rep full body workout.

Too lazy to write it all down.

Did the biceps regime described here and it HURTS and BURNS like hell!

[video=youtube;suokENL-Ekg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suokENL-Ekg[/video]
 
Happy Father's Day!
 
Happy Fathers day you crazy bastard!
 
That video has me thinking about some new ways to train my string bean biceps. Hmm mm... I never thought about it, but placing your elbows in a plane behind your torso may allow for a better contraction...

Beyond that, happy father's day you old fuggar! And happy fathers day to all the other fathers out there... Even SFreed who is a boss!
 
Happy Fathers Day to all the American Dad's!! Even the Banana Land hgp!!

And I did those yesterday after work. Was amazed at how much that changed a basic curl movement. Will definitely be incorporating them from now on, for as long as my girly arms can take, anyway.
 
That video has me thinking about some new ways to train my string bean biceps. Hmm mm... I never thought about it, but placing your elbows in a plane behind your torso may allow for a better contraction...

Beyond that, happy father's day you old fuggar! And happy fathers day to all the other fathers out there... Even SFreed who is a boss!

"placing your elbows in a plane behind your torso may allow for a better contraction" I have done them like this since I hurt my shoulder. takes the strain off my shoulders. discovered this by accident. things you try when you a injured!
 
hey hairygrandpa, you seem to know every compound out there, have you heard of an NO/Vasodilator product called jinyang alkali? It has a monstrous half life, I read it was called the "weekend pill". I wonder if there are any applications for our hobby.
 
hey hairygrandpa, you seem to know every compound out there, have you heard of an NO/Vasodilator product called jinyang alkali? It has a monstrous half life, I read it was called the "weekend pill". I wonder if there are any applications for our hobby.

never heard of it, now googling...
 
hey hairygrandpa, you seem to know every compound out there, have you heard of an NO/Vasodilator product called jinyang alkali? It has a monstrous half life, I read it was called the "weekend pill". I wonder if there are any applications for our hobby.

Here the best info I could get:

"Application:

Used in the treatment of antidepressants and antipsychotic and antihypertensive drugs cause impotence. JinYang alkali to ring phosphoric acid bird (cGMP) (specific phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) selective inhibitors, can make the penis smooth muscle relaxation, quickly erectile, is the development and production of low price
Quick, health protection products of the kidney Yang the ideal of raw materials.

Usage and dosage:

Adult each 10-100 mg daily dosage, the dosage and based on users' increase or decrease, taken on an empty stomach (especially avoid and the high fat food served with) the effect is much better. This product Suggestions for 50 to 60 mg dose (maximum usage is 150 mg).
Work time: About 30 to 60 minutes 50% work, 1 hour after 83% work, works for 48-72 hours, the half-life of adult is 40-116 hours, kidney is not full-time half-life Extended."


LOL

Sounds interesting, helps the "phosphoric acid bird", LMAO! Does that mean the "bird" glows in the dark? LOL
 
Here the best info I could get:

"Application:

Used in the treatment of antidepressants and antipsychotic and antihypertensive drugs cause impotence. JinYang alkali to ring phosphoric acid bird (cGMP) (specific phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) selective inhibitors, can make the penis smooth muscle relaxation, quickly erectile, is the development and production of low price
Quick, health protection products of the kidney Yang the ideal of raw materials.

Usage and dosage:

Adult each 10-100 mg daily dosage, the dosage and based on users' increase or decrease, taken on an empty stomach (especially avoid and the high fat food served with) the effect is much better. This product Suggestions for 50 to 60 mg dose (maximum usage is 150 mg).
Work time: About 30 to 60 minutes 50% work, 1 hour after 83% work, works for 48-72 hours, the half-life of adult is 40-116 hours, kidney is not full-time half-life Extended."


LOL

Sounds interesting, helps the "phosphoric acid bird", LMAO! Does that mean the "bird" glows in the dark? LOL

That was about all I could find also. I did read that it generated nitric oxide (SP?) in cells. the half life was what also caught my eye, I mean, d@mn, almost 2 full days. That was why it was called the "weekend pill" on one site LOL. Cialis has a half life of 17.5 hours and viagra only 4 hours.
 
No updates about my workouts for awhile.

I screwed up my diet too often and decided to do a different approach.

Here the Rules:
-No train - no meal , eating only allowed post workout, in a 1 hour window.
-carbs are kept as low as the pre-workout insulin allows
-occasional protein shakes throughout the day are allowed

Training will be focused on maintaining current muscle mass.

Cycle:
500mg test-e/w
220mg 1-ad/day
10iu slin pre-wo
cjc 1295 2mg/w
cjc no dac 200mcg post wo
MK-677 10mg/day

ancillaries: huperzine, fish oil, adex, tudca, nac, saw palmetto, l-leucine, karbolyn, BP meds
 
No updates about my workouts for awhile.

I screwed up my diet too often and decided to do a different approach.

Here the Rules:
-No train - no meal , eating only allowed post workout, in a 1 hour window.
-carbs are kept as low as the pre-workout insulin allows
-occasional protein shakes throughout the day are allowed

Training will be focused on maintaining current muscle mass.

Cycle:
500mg test-e/w
220mg 1-ad/day
10iu slin pre-wo
cjc 1295 2mg/w
cjc no dac 200mcg post wo
MK-677 10mg/day

ancillaries: huperzine, fish oil, adex, tudca, nac, saw palmetto, l-leucine, karbolyn, BP meds

Hardcore. I thought I had it tough kicking my pre-bed meal lol.
 
Lol. I wrote that last post, looked out the window and saw a large ass skunk right in the middle of my yard.

I got pissed and shot the fcker

I grabbed a shovel and scooped it up and walked it out into the horse pasture where I've got a burn pit

I tossed the skunk in the burn pit

Somehow, during this process, I managed to get sprayed.
 
Lol. I wrote that last post, looked out the window and saw a large ass skunk right in the middle of my yard.

I got pissed and shot the fcker

I grabbed a shovel and scooped it up and walked it out into the horse pasture where I've got a burn pit

I tossed the skunk in the burn pit

Somehow, during this process, I managed to get sprayed.

When skunks spray, it actually atomizes into an extremely fine spray which can hang in the air for a pretty long time. (I raised coon hounds for quite a few years, plus grew up in an area with a lot of skunks) Sleeping in the barn tonight?
 
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