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Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing

Ah, another thing:
Started the cialis too. Did nothing yesterday -but today, when closing the fridge door, I felt a sharp pain in my penis.
 
So, a bit like this?
[video=youtube;74Gwkz3Q_pY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Gwkz3Q_pY[/video]
 
rtmilburn said:
Heard my name?? Also this is not true you've been sent numerous of pictures of my dong!!!


I've tried posting pics in logs before but up until recently the am app wouldn't​ let me at all. Now I have no logs requiring me to post pic of me. Plus rather stay anonymous as people I interact view AM alot rather not have my self on this to be tied to. Especially with work they fire people over dumb sht. I've actually had a co-worker ask my about I post I posted and had no clue I posted it.(made me laugh a little). Now if things change I'll gladly post pics of myself!
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That is fatty code talk. It's ok. We don't judge. As many dik pics and the accompanying phone number that has been sent with it, I figured putting out pics of yourself would be the least of your worries
 
ryane87 said:
That is fatty code talk. It's ok. We don't judge. As many dik pics and the accompanying phone number that has been sent with it, I figured putting out pics of yourself would be the least of your worries
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Those pics I got from rtmilburn were dik pics? I wasn't sure what I was looking at, thanks for clarifying!
 
ryane87 said:
That is fatty code talk. It's ok. We don't judge. As many dik pics and the accompanying phone number that has been sent with it, I figured putting out pics of yourself would be the least of your worries
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Haha not gonna lie I'm currently a fatty!! But if I send dick pics to you my coworkers won't find out. But then again I send them dick pics to so idk
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not sure yet where we starting from. Miami or Orlando, still figuring out rental prices, but almost certainly passing near Jacksonville! Prepare to be hugged by a hairy German, lol!


When I mentioned BBQ, I meant doing it by myself, LOL -but the "real" BBQ of the Southern States is worldwide considered the very best, I'm exited to try!



This would be fantastic, I'm going through Mississippi following the coastline! A training session with the BEAST73 would give me instant gains, LOL!



My route is planed (not fully thought out yet) along the gulf coast with final "RV return" in Austin, using no highway if possible (wanna see something of Murica, besides concrete and cars). Route is still hypothetical and may change. A few hundred miles off course is welcome too, if the area is safe and has some nice views -or hiking possibilities.
Yeah! Lets kill it in the garage -and later I may throw a BBQ for us with a post workout in the form of beer at the resort! My daughter (12yo) is with us, she may need some lifting lessons from your daughter.
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Sparkss said:
I did ART for the first couple of months after I finished rehab, back when I lived up in NC. I agree that it hurts like h*ll, but is worth it. I attribute any current ROM to the ART therapy I did. I was going twice a week (glutton for punishment). But since we moved back to Fl I can't seem to find a decent practitioner locally. but to be fair I have not looked in over a year.

So for the metformin it is just to mimic the insulin response similar to taking in carbs in a post-workout shake? I used to take it when I hit bottom with my diet. I was fat and my insulin sensitivity was for crap, even after I started eating cleaner. I took it for over a year or so and it helped "reset" my sensitivity. I have been off of it for over a year now, but still have some left. I think I was on 750mg daily, but here in Fl the 500mg dosage is free, so I think that is what I have left in the medicine cabinet. If I really wanted I could get a refill from my doctor, just wasn't sure the benefit for lifting/building. I am less of a fan of GDAs and more so for partitioners (or as some people call them "selective GDAs"). Agmatine is my favorite in that category. If I recall it almost guarantees that the nutrients/glucose get flushed into the muscles. but I would love to hear your thoughts on the topic?
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Not exactly it increases insulin sensitivity, it does not mimic a response similar to having a large amount of carbs. It makes you much more efficient at processing them with less insulin while amplifying the action that insulin has on the receptors. Effectively it will shuttle nutrients into the cells and lower your blood sugar to a level that requires fat burning to maintain energy. YOu will not store any type of fat other than saturated fats even when insulin is high. You have to fill up the glycogen stores before your body will start converting carbs and or other forms of fat to saturated fat for storage. So a lot of the worry with a GDA is worry that the "selective GDA" suppliers put into your head without painting the entire picture. Sure in a petre dish the GDA was selective but in a human body that just exercised it is simply not needed because the body already increases sensitivity in the muscle cells, and not the fat cells due to the Glut 4 activation from exercise.

Metformin increases insulin sensitivity a bit more than most of the over the counter GDA's. It can be used to help you build muscle, or to help burn fat, or both. For the most part especially during, or post workout you do not need a selective GDA. The activation of the GLUT4 translocation is all you need to make the nutrients go to the muscle. Away from workouts those can be of more use but during and post you really don't have anything to worry about regarding storing fat unless you are just being ridiculous with your nutrient choices and timing. So no real reason to worry about it.

Where I do see some usefullness to the selective GDA in my opinion is when you are about to have some food you know will cause an insulin spike and are not in the post workot window where Glut4 is naturally activated you could use a selective GDA to try to get that meal to land where you want it too. That is when people who use GDA's incorrectly run into problems. With a non selective GDA it increases sensitivity in both the muscle and fat cells. Add to that you do not have the increased Glut 4 activity from lifting and you are telling all cells you want them to store the food with no preference as to fat or muscle cells. That is a bad thing. However change that up to something that actually selectively increases Glut 4 activity in the muscle or via some other MOA and you are only telling the muscle that you want increased sensitivity.

So with that in mind IMHO the time to use Selective GDA's are any higher carb meal that is not during or after a resistance training session. However intra, or post workout a normal GDA is all you need and you still do not have anything to worry about regarding fat storage. Again I say that with the understanding that you are not doing some really stupid things with your nutritional choices.
hairygrandpa said:
For the bro's who are open to the idea being visited -and those who are not sure if its a good idea:

I'm a non- invasive, uncomplicated type of person and utterly undemanding.
This goes for my wife too, not so much for my "princess daughter", lol. We do not expect being serviced or cared for.

I imagine it to be a relaxed meeting anywhere possible, with a few hours of hanging around, swinger party, oily massages and nude body painting.
If you could supply the drugs like heroin -or meth would be great!
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What about Molly? LMAO!!!
rtmilburn said:
Ouch you hurt my hole!
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Brandinooooo said:
Sorry. I won't push so deep next time.
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Awwww. that was beautiful guys!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Not exactly it increases insulin sensitivity, it does not mimic a response similar to having a large amount of carbs. It makes you much more efficient at processing them with less insulin while amplifying the action that insulin has on the receptors. Effectively it will shuttle nutrients into the cells and lower your blood sugar to a level that requires fat burning to maintain energy. YOu will not store any type of fat other than saturated fats even when insulin is high. You have to fill up the glycogen stores before your body will start converting carbs and or other forms of fat to saturated fat for storage. So a lot of the worry with a GDA is worry that the "selective GDA" suppliers put into your head without painting the entire picture. Sure in a petre dish the GDA was selective but in a human body that just exercised it is simply not needed because the body already increases sensitivity in the muscle cells, and not the fat cells due to the Glut 4 activation from exercise.

Metformin increases insulin sensitivity a bit more than most of the over the counter GDA's. It can be used to help you build muscle, or to help burn fat, or both. For the most part especially during, or post workout you do not need a selective GDA. The activation of the GLUT4 translocation is all you need to make the nutrients go to the muscle. Away from workouts those can be of more use but during and post you really don't have anything to worry about regarding storing fat unless you are just being ridiculous with your nutrient choices and timing. So no real reason to worry about it.

Where I do see some usefullness to the selective GDA in my opinion is when you are about to have some food you know will cause an insulin spike and are not in the post workot window where Glut4 is naturally activated you could use a selective GDA to try to get that meal to land where you want it too. That is when people who use GDA's incorrectly run into problems. With a non selective GDA it increases sensitivity in both the muscle and fat cells. Add to that you do not have the increased Glut 4 activity from lifting and you are telling all cells you want them to store the food with no preference as to fat or muscle cells. That is a bad thing. However change that up to something that actually selectively increases Glut 4 activity in the muscle or via some other MOA and you are only telling the muscle that you want increased sensitivity.

So with that in mind IMHO the time to use Selective GDA's are any higher carb meal that is not during or after a resistance training session. However intra, or post workout a normal GDA is all you need and you still do not have anything to worry about regarding fat storage. Again I say that with the understanding that you are not doing some really stupid things with your nutritional choices.

What about Molly? LMAO!!!


Awwww. that was beautiful guys!!!
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I see what you did there
 
Lost your knob yet?? Or fell over bc all the blood from your bald head wnet to your weewee! :D

How is everything my friend! Both health and gains wise
 
MrKleen73 said:
Not exactly it increases insulin sensitivity, it does not mimic a response similar to having a large amount of carbs. It makes you much more efficient at processing them with less insulin while amplifying the action that insulin has on the receptors. Effectively it will shuttle nutrients into the cells and lower your blood sugar to a level that requires fat burning to maintain energy. YOu will not store any type of fat other than saturated fats even when insulin is high. You have to fill up the glycogen stores before your body will start converting carbs and or other forms of fat to saturated fat for storage. So a lot of the worry with a GDA is worry that the "selective GDA" suppliers put into your head without painting the entire picture. Sure in a petre dish the GDA was selective but in a human body that just exercised it is simply not needed because the body already increases sensitivity in the muscle cells, and not the fat cells due to the Glut 4 activation from exercise.

Metformin increases insulin sensitivity a bit more than most of the over the counter GDA's. It can be used to help you build muscle, or to help burn fat, or both. For the most part especially during, or post workout you do not need a selective GDA. The activation of the GLUT4 translocation is all you need to make the nutrients go to the muscle. Away from workouts those can be of more use but during and post you really don't have anything to worry about regarding storing fat unless you are just being ridiculous with your nutrient choices and timing. So no real reason to worry about it.

Where I do see some usefullness to the selective GDA in my opinion is when you are about to have some food you know will cause an insulin spike and are not in the post workot window where Glut4 is naturally activated you could use a selective GDA to try to get that meal to land where you want it too. That is when people who use GDA's incorrectly run into problems. With a non selective GDA it increases sensitivity in both the muscle and fat cells. Add to that you do not have the increased Glut 4 activity from lifting and you are telling all cells you want them to store the food with no preference as to fat or muscle cells. That is a bad thing. However change that up to something that actually selectively increases Glut 4 activity in the muscle or via some other MOA and you are only telling the muscle that you want increased sensitivity.

So with that in mind IMHO the time to use Selective GDA's are any higher carb meal that is not during or after a resistance training session. However intra, or post workout a normal GDA is all you need and you still do not have anything to worry about regarding fat storage. Again I say that with the understanding that you are not doing some really stupid things with your nutritional choices.
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Thanks. I never really considered a (or any) GDA, selective or otherwise, post workout (or intra for that matter) since as you stated the body is already primed to take in those nutrients and make use of them "naturally" with the strongest GDA (insulin). It is interesting that something (like metformin) can increase that sensitivity and thereby increase the uptake into the muscles (post exercise). I know some of the PWOs I have used include 1g of agmatine for the pump, but it also serves as a GDA, if timed right. So I guess I have been using a GDA pre/intra without really thinking about it :).

I may pull out that bottle of metformin and give it a shot with my next post-workout shake. Thanks for sharing your insight.
 
DennisTheDane said:
Lost your knob yet?? Or fell over bc all the blood from your bald head wnet to your weewee! :D

How is everything my friend! Both health and gains wise
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Not watching diet at all while waiting for the juice to kick in, getting fatter by the day.

Have to get more disciplined...3...2...1 okay, now I'm disciplined.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not watching diet at all while waiting for the juice to kick in, getting fatter by the day.

Have to get more disciplined...3...2...1 okay, now I'm disciplined.
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hahaha... ooool Granpa.! :D Well shiii
it sorted !
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not watching diet at all while waiting for the juice to kick in, getting fatter by the day.

Have to get more disciplined...3...2...1 okay, now I'm disciplined.
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Dude! Bald guys can't get away with being fat, too. It's gotta be one or the other!
 
Upped insulin to 10iu, got to the gym chasing a pump.

Chasing a pump-day

BW Triceps extensions: 12 sets
Cable flies: 16 sets
z-bar preacher curls: 6 sets
triceps push down rope: 8 sets
Floor DB triceps extensions: 6 sets
Leg press: 3 sets /20 reps

Observation: I'm very impressed. The pump I get from Insulin is out of this world.
Its one hour after training and I'm still fully pumped.

Picture: Trying to touch my shoulder with the index finger, can't do it by 3.5 inch .

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hairygrandpa said:
Upped insulin to 10iu, got to the gym chasing a pump.

Chasing a pump-day

BW Triceps extensions: 12 sets
Cable flies: 16 sets
z-bar preacher curls: 6 sets
triceps push down rope: 8 sets
Floor DB triceps extensions: 6 sets
Leg press: 3 sets /20 reps

Observation: I'm very impressed. The pump I get from Insulin is out of this world.
Its one hour after training and I'm still fully pumped.

Picture: Trying to touch my shoulder with the index finger, can't do it by 3.5 inch .

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Nice
 
I am SO jealous of those guns. Wow!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thanks bro's!

Wasn't showing off the guns -it's about the blood flow increase. The combination of cialis and insulin is explosive!
So far no negative side effect from slin -but I'm playing it as safe as it gets, having the right carbs at hand at the right dosage.
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Didn't realize you were taking Cialis I bet the pumps are godly with that combo
 
rtmilburn said:
Didn't realize you were taking Cialis I bet the pumps are godly with that combo
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Its my first time using cialis, never used viagra either.
2 negative sides noted:
-almost painful boner especially in the morning and late at night
-stuffed nose from vasodilation, that one I hate most, now using nose drops to keep breathing
 
Brother when you got those guns out of the holsters you can't hide them.
That is one hell of a pump.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Its my first time using cialis, never used viagra either.
2 negative sides noted:
-almost painful boner especially in the morning and late at night
-stuffed nose from vasodilation, that one I hate most, now using nose drops to keep breathing
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Haha nice!!! Hard dick for days. Wouldn't​ want to be your wife, or would I?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Its my first time using cialis, never used viagra either.
2 negative sides noted:
-almost painful boner especially in the morning and late at night
-stuffed nose from vasodilation, that one I hate most, now using nose drops to keep breathing
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I have never used either. Never thought about getting a pump on those. Just a dick pump.
 
Studhorse said:
I have never used either. Never thought about getting a pump on those. Just a dick pump.
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I've used it before 30days on Cialis is the greatest supplement I've ever used. Faster recovery, more viens, slightly more fatloss, WAY better endurance, and the pumps the god damn pumps.
 
Studhorse said:
Brother when you got those guns out of the holsters you can't hide them.
That is one hell of a pump.
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Thank you!
I'm thinking now that insulin (used correctly) is a main player when it comes to hypertrophy.
Will not going as high with the steroid dosages as planed, I guess it's not needed and ultimately more detrimental to health than slin.
My guess is: moderate dosage slin + moderate dosage GH + moderate/low dosage AAS = optimal balance with low sides.
Now changing food intake accordingly.

Instead of having 5 -or more meals a day, I'll try :
-few snacks (fruit, oats) during day
-one huge meal post workout, when slin is still active (about 2000kcal)

Lets see how that goes. :)
 
rtmilburn said:
I've used it before 30days on Cialis is the greatest supplement I've ever used. Faster recovery, more viens, slightly more fatloss, WAY better endurance, and the pumps the god damn pumps.
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Its almost as expensive as a good NOS supplement but gives the bonus boner. :)
 
Studhorse said:
Damn. It surly raises no2. I'm afraid I would be copping wood in the gym.
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Me too -but so far, at 10mg tadalafil/day (taken around midday) the boner only comes in the morning and at night. During the day I need extra visual stimulus to get "adolf" up .
I do not attribute all the pump to cialis, as I worked out on cialis alone, with a good pump -but not as extreme as on slin + cialis.
I swear I was afraid my skin would rip.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thank you!
I'm thinking now that insulin (used correctly) is a main player when it comes to hypertrophy.
Will not going as high with the steroid dosages as planed, I guess it's not needed and ultimately more detrimental to health than slin.
My guess is: moderate dosage slin + moderate dosage GH + moderate/low dosage AAS = optimal balance with low sides.
Now changing food intake accordingly.

Instead of having 5 -or more meals a day, I'll try :
-few snacks (fruit, oats) during day
-one huge meal post workout, when slin is still active (about 2000kcal)

Lets see how that goes. :)
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How many kcals are you eating a day? What do your macros look like? Also, what's your slin schedule + carb timing look like.. very interested lol
 
mmorso said:
How many kcals are you eating a day? What do your macros look like? Also, what's your slin schedule + carb timing look like.. very interested lol
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I'm 215lbs at 5'8, 20% BF (guessing).
I'm not counting macros and I'm TRYING to eat at maintenance, about 3000 kcal/day.
Only thing I'm watching is protein intake, using as few shakes as possible! Keeping protein at around 200gr/day.
When it comes to slin use, do NOT trust my advise! Google for confirmation!

Here what I do:

10mg cialis around midday.
10iu Humulin-R /20-30min pre workout (will up to 15iu, + up carbs 2x 75gr Karbolyn accordingly)
Intra-workout shake containing: 50gr Karbolyn (special carb mix, slow+fast) 3gr Leucine, 30-40gr hydrolyzed whey, sipping on it for duration of workout.
Post workout either: another shake, same as intra / or a huge meal containing carbs, like: 1lbs whole weed pasta with 3 can of tuna
Make sure your meal is ready when you finish your workout. If you let pass too much time, you will go hypo!
-CJC w dac 2.5 mg./week (2x 1.25mg)
-200mcg CJC no dac post workout

I will not use ghrelin mimetics with the peptides, too much hunger cravings!
AAS:
(subject to changes)
500mg test week
-t-bol
-1-ad
-anavar as finisher
 
Ummm - you know not to use supplements like....Citrulline, Agmatine, Nitrates, Norvaline, Resveratrol, etc. (you know, no Nitric Oxide products) while on cialis right? Just being sure.
 
HIT4ME said:
Ummm - you know not to use supplements like....Citrulline, Agmatine, Nitrates, Norvaline, Resveratrol, etc. (you know, no Nitric Oxide products) while on cialis right? Just being sure.
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Too much vasodilation?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thank you!
I'm thinking now that insulin (used correctly) is a main player when it comes to hypertrophy.
Will not going as high with the steroid dosages as planed, I guess it's not needed and ultimately more detrimental to health than slin.
My guess is: moderate dosage slin + moderate dosage GH + moderate/low dosage AAS = optimal balance with low sides.
Now changing food intake accordingly.

Instead of having 5 -or more meals a day, I'll try :
-few snacks (fruit, oats) during day
-one huge meal post workout, when slin is still active (about 2000kcal)

Lets see how that goes. :)
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Sounds a lot like The Warrior Diet.

hairygrandpa said:
Edit: Low fat diet!

As long as I'm using slin = low fat!
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No need to keep fat too low, just keep saturated fats low. All other fats have to be converted to saturated fats for storage. The conversion of this does not begin until your glycogen stores are full. So you should still be able to keep a reasonable amount of fats in your diet. They just need to be the right variation. Also getting fats earlier in he day away from your insulin is a good practice thatcan keep you from diping your fat levels too low. Some bulletproof coffee in the AM would probably do you wonders for satiation without having any negative effects from the insulin. Plus keeps your more insulin sensitive the rest of the day until you finally get the carbs in.

HIT4ME said:
Ummm - you know not to use supplements like....Citrulline, Agmatine, Nitrates, Norvaline, Resveratrol, etc. (you know, no Nitric Oxide products) while on cialis right? Just being sure.
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Depends really, I have been on Cialis for years now and I still use all of those things. I KNOW I do not get low blood pressure from combining them. My BP is normally anywhere from 110/70 - 135/85 depending on what I am using at the time. I think people with naturally lower blood pressure are going to be the ones who have Low BP reactions from the combination. Me being borderline hypertensive when my conditioning is not stellar seems to keep me from ever getting too low.

Not saying there aren't risks here but often the warning for one extreme has to be presented to the entire population as a warning to avoid liability.

The above statements are my opinion based on my personal experiences and what I have witnessed with others. Do not take as medical fact!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds a lot like The Warrior Diet.

No need to keep fat too low, just keep saturated fats low. All other fats have to be converted to saturated fats for storage. The conversion of this does not begin until your glycogen stores are full. So you should still be able to keep a reasonable amount of fats in your diet. They just need to be the right variation. Also getting fats earlier in he day away from your insulin is a good practice thatcan keep you from diping your fat levels too low. Some bulletproof coffee in the AM would probably do you wonders for satiation without having any negative effects from the insulin. Plus keeps your more insulin sensitive the rest of the day until you finally get the carbs in.


Depends really, I have been on Cialis for years now and I still use all of those things. I KNOW I do not get low blood pressure from combining them. My BP is normally anywhere from 110/70 - 135/85 depending on what I am using at the time. I think people with naturally lower blood pressure are going to be the ones who have Low BP reactions from the combination. Me being borderline hypertensive when my conditioning is not stellar seems to keep me from ever getting too low.

Not saying there aren't risks here but often the warning for one extreme has to be presented to the entire population as a warning to avoid liability.

The above statements are my opinion based on my personal experiences and what I have witnessed with others. Do not take as medical fact!
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I thought I invented the diet, lol -but "Warrior diet " is a good name for it!

I get my good fats mainly from 4-8 fish oil caps and whats in the food. My BP is always on the upper side, like 140/80, even off cycle.
Would be a pity to throw that "NOS ether" in the bin. I did not use it yesterday to have an idea how the pump is without.
Today I woke up in the middle of the night, a bit sweaty and restless, wondering if I'm going hypo, grabbed a banana and ate a small cup of oatmeal.
That gave me a lesson, will stick to 10iu and NOT upping it.
The pump, well, I'm still pumped today, not as full as yesterday but still not able to touch my shoulder with a finger.
 
Yeah, so phosphodiesterase is the enzyme that breaks down cGMP and cAMP. Cialis and Viagra inhibit this enzyme, which thus causes cGMP and cAMP to remain "active" for longer periods of time, and make it more potent in some regards. As cGMP in particular builds up, nitric oxide is released, which causes vasodilation.

Of course, taking something like Agmatine, Citrulline, etc. will ALSO increase NO and thus increase vasodilation.

Taken together, this could lead to low blood pressure (maybe low enough to pass out), or even a heart attack.

Mix in an arginase inhibitor like Norvaline or Resveratrol, and it would get worse, since you would now be inhibiting the enzymes that brake down the NO production on two angles, and increasing NO at the same time.

Not saying that doing this will cause you to die or have ANY issue - but I'm not saying it won't either. It's like attacking a cycle from multiple angles and making it self-perpetuating. You wind up messing with the signaling that increases NO and messing with the feedback system the body has in place to manage the increased NO production - which could potentially snowball.

Mix that in with dehydration and whatever other variables you have, etc. - and it's just kind of an unknown.

Oh yeah, and you will rupture your penis.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, so phosphodiesterase is the enzyme that breaks down cGMP and cAMP. Cialis and Viagra inhibit this enzyme, which thus causes cGMP and cAMP to remain "active" for longer periods of time, and make it more potent in some regards. As cGMP in particular builds up, nitric oxide is released, which causes vasodilation.

Of course, taking something like Agmatine, Citrulline, etc. will ALSO increase NO and thus increase vasodilation.

Taken together, this could lead to low blood pressure (maybe low enough to pass out), or even a heart attack.

Mix in an arginase inhibitor like Norvaline or Resveratrol, and it would get worse, since you would now be inhibiting the enzymes that brake down the NO production on two angles, and increasing NO at the same time.

Not saying that doing this will cause you to die or have ANY issue - but I'm not saying it won't either. It's like attacking a cycle from multiple angles and making it self-perpetuating. You wind up messing with the signaling that increases NO and messing with the feedback system the body has in place to manage the increased NO production - which could potentially snowball.

Mix that in with dehydration and whatever other variables you have, etc. - and it's just kind of an unknown.

Oh yeah, and you will rupture your penis.
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Very informative! Now thinking I could drop Telmisartan and take half a scoop of NOS ether instead... :)
No, wait, rethinking.... nah. Yesterday I was worried my skin will burst, seriously. No need for more vasodilation.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I thought I invented the diet, lol -but "Warrior diet " is a good name for it!

I get my good fats mainly from 4-8 fish oil caps and whats in the food. My BP is always on the upper side, like 140/80, even off cycle.
Would be a pity to throw that "NOS ether" in the bin. I did not use it yesterday to have an idea how the pump is without.
Today I woke up in the middle of the night, a bit sweaty and restless, wondering if I'm going hypo, grabbed a banana and ate a small cup of oatmeal.
That gave me a lesson, will stick to 10iu and NOT upping it.
The pump, well, I'm still pumped today, not as full as yesterday but still not able to touch my shoulder with a finger.
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Yeah I have heard it is when the insulin peaks again the 2nd time that people often end up going hypo. From what I have read up on it many have forgotten that it peaks twice and that can catch you by surprise.
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, so phosphodiesterase is the enzyme that breaks down cGMP and cAMP. Cialis and Viagra inhibit this enzyme, which thus causes cGMP and cAMP to remain "active" for longer periods of time, and make it more potent in some regards. As cGMP in particular builds up, nitric oxide is released, which causes vasodilation.

Of course, taking something like Agmatine, Citrulline, etc. will ALSO increase NO and thus increase vasodilation.

Taken together, this could lead to low blood pressure (maybe low enough to pass out), or even a heart attack.

Mix in an arginase inhibitor like Norvaline or Resveratrol, and it would get worse, since you would now be inhibiting the enzymes that brake down the NO production on two angles, and increasing NO at the same time.

Not saying that doing this will cause you to die or have ANY issue - but I'm not saying it won't either. It's like attacking a cycle from multiple angles and making it self-perpetuating. You wind up messing with the signaling that increases NO and messing with the feedback system the body has in place to manage the increased NO production - which could potentially snowball.

Mix that in with dehydration and whatever other variables you have, etc. - and it's just kind of an unknown.

Oh yeah, and you will rupture your penis.
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Yep, all of this is true and the worst case scenario is the worst case scenario. However I still have to go with my personal experience on this one. I mean I remember when creatine was supposedly killing teenagers... the medical community said that... DUH, no dehydration did that.

Certainly there are far reaching scenarios where this becomes a likelihood but it is going to take the "perfect storm" of lower BP naturally, extremely high potassium levels among other things. I also feel like you are not considering the multiple other ingredients in most preworkouts that actually cause vasoconstriction. Basically equaling them out a bit.

Now I wouldn't jump on a bunch of vasodilating stuff without having the stimulants that should help counteract some of the vasodilation due to the vasoconstriction caused by them. Then IMHO you are increasing the possibility of a negative reaction from excessive dilation.

Also in this particular case being dehydrated would help to keep BP up higher so it would not be a compounding issue there.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yep, all of this is true and the worst case scenario is the worst case scenario. However I still have to go with my personal experience on this one. I mean I remember when creatine was supposedly killing teenagers... the medical community said that... DUH, no dehydration did that.

Certainly there are far reaching scenarios where this becomes a likelihood but it is going to take the "perfect storm" of lower BP naturally, extremely high potassium levels. I also feel like you are not considering the multiple other ingredients in most preworkouts that actually cause vasoconstriction. Basically equaling them out a bit.

Now I wouldn't jump on a bunch of vasodilating stuff without having the stimulants that should help counteract some of the vasodilation due to the vasoconstriction caused by them. Then IMHO you are increasing the possibility of a negative reaction from excessive dilation.



Also in this particular case being dehydrated would help to keep BP up higher so it would not be a compounding issue there.
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Sounds good. Have fun getting yourself killed. Hahaha

Just playing. I have done worse. It's just something to be aware off...compounded by the telmisartan too.
 
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