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Best natty test booster?

I wouldnt take anything from Hi Tech

They claimed to have Genuine Turkesterone and it is actually LIE.
ICPS (from uzbekistan) has best quality of Ajuga Turkestanica and Leuzea. LG (owned by Hi Tech) said their Ajuga is from ICPE. What is ICPE? Well, maybe they wrote wrong but ICPS wrote back and said they NEVER did any business with Hi Tech or LG.
 
You know come to think about it. Im definitely gonna go back to mass 550 from finaflex. That stuff ALWAYS works for me. Dont even know why im trippen!
 
When taken long enough it kicks in. But that was like several years ago. Shrugs. Probably got the "reformulated" treatment aswell lmaoooo...shhh
 
Danes said:
I wouldnt take anything from Hi Tech

They claimed to have Genuine Turkesterone and it is actually LIE.
ICPS (from uzbekistan) has best quality of Ajuga Turkestanica and Leuzea. LG (owned by Hi Tech) said their Ajuga is from ICPE. What is ICPE? Well, maybe they wrote wrong but ICPS wrote back and said they NEVER did any business with Hi Tech or LG.
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This is getting spicy
 
Im just trying to find something to use again to help build muscle. Seems that nothing is worth taking anymore unless its a PH . eversince all those past and current regulations and restrictions nothing is worth it anymore except actual hormonal stuff.

Im 35 yo. Its not like at my age i SHOULDN'T dive into them.

Cause i thought about it.

Was thinking of stacking Hi-Tech's 1-Testosterone & Estrogenex 2nd Generation.

Been natty so far. Well, as far as i know. Seems like everything was sprinkled back then untill the mysterious out of nowhere and for no good reason Reformulations happened.
 
Well M-Test seems to be getting a lot of love, so I think that looks good to me. Hi-Tech looks good, I roll with APS products usually, but everything in the Bulosterone doesn't seem to be natty at all lol, which was the point. I didn't want a PCT for my testosterone booster lol! So Ill be going with M-Test then.

I heard these pro-hormones these days may as well be gear, but to avoid hi-jacking the thread, can somebody PM me or direct me to a thread about PH use, first time use.
 
YamahaC76 said:
Well M-Test seems to be getting a lot of love, so I think that looks good to me. Hi-Tech looks good, I roll with APS products usually, but everything in the Bulosterone doesn't seem to be natty at all lol, which was the point. I didn't want a PCT for my testosterone booster lol! So Ill be going with M-Test then.

I heard these pro-hormones these days may as well be gear, but to avoid hi-jacking the thread, can somebody PM me or direct me to a thread about PH use, first time use.
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You dont think Bulasterone is natty? Why?

Why do you prefer APS?

Which btw doesn't shock me the more i read about APS. i cant figure out which side sub owned brand is Hi-Tech's favorite child. Cause they also have IFORCE. But for some reason APS makes me feel that its Hi-Tech's baby besides their OWN brand.
 
I aint seeing any bloodwork logs proof of test boosters working. Its not the same thing as pre workout etc..can anyone link me to a basic "this is my test level before natty test booster and after use"?
 
Johnold said:
You dont think Bulasterone is natty? Why?

Why do you prefer APS?

Which btw doesn't shock me the more i read about APS. i cant figure out which side sub owned brand is Hi-Tech's favorite child. Cause they also have IFORCE. But for some reason APS makes me feel that its Hi-Tech's baby besides their OWN brand.
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Sorry, I just didn't bother checking the other half of the label once the chem chains started. So laziness on my part. But also with stuff like this (test boosters) a proprietray blend is something I'd avoid myself. Besides, I have mixed feelings on tribulus now. But APS Tribulus seems to be the real deal.

I didn't know APS was owned by HI tech until recently. Yeah APS has solid branding, best pre on the market to me, and great, no nosense products.
I can't say as of late though...Meso is keeping APS up. APS discontinued a few products and hasn't released anything in awhile besides a meso flavor.
 
So what's going on with aps?

I dont know how Hi-Tech can manage all those side sub brands and their own brand. It baffles me. Plus make everyone elses blends etc.
 
Johnold said:
So what's going on with aps?

I dont know how Hi-Tech can manage all those side sub brands and their own brand. It baffles me. Plus make everyone elses blends etc.
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I really don't "know" much, but from what I gathered, HI-TECH owns APS, but I still think APS has their own facility? Also Meso kills off all their other pre's so that's $$, Hi tech is it's own player in the PH world though, their Branding is solid to me. Never tried a PH by them though. (I'm beginning to sound like a REP, I gotta stop, my apologies haha)

APS is still very active on IG, in fact that's how I find deals, but yeah. The Iso-morph seems to be the best isolate iv'e seen also. Regarding the test boosters though...I had to join the community to see this forum, and I can say I made more progress on here in 1 day then 2 weeks by myself. But after taking my PCT product, I Know what compounds work, and KB and M-Test look potent!
 
Yeah i believe APS still has some say or partnership going. And i think they still do some manufacturing. Just like Gaspari. Most people go to Hi-Tech to have their products formulated and manufactured.
 
I wanted to pair Bulasterone and Estrogenex 2nd Generation together but so many people are turned off to the fact that Bulasterone is a proprietary blend.
 
And yeah, mesomorph is very very popular.

Never tried a PH before but im at the edge lol. Im close. Im lookin at that 1-Testosterone they have. That with Estrogenex 2nd Generation also would be great.
 
Johnold said:
And yeah, mesomorph is very very popular.

Never tried a PH before but im at the edge lol. Im close. Im lookin at that 1-Testosterone they have. That with Estrogenex 2nd Generation also would be great.
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I'm there, I just strained my right trap (which made me try Osta) 3 months ago. Cut that cycle short though, shut me down and gave me acne (didn't even break out as a teen) So SARMS definitely weren't for me. My PCT works great though. SO...I will say this. But maybe a PH is more my thing.

Regarding these test boosters as a PCT. There are many users In here recommending M-Test, I laid out what was in my Trojan PCT and "THAT'S" working. My jewels have doubled in size and are much fuller and hang now. This is half way through a bottle but I was only 5 weeks into a SARM cycle.

So I could only imagine how well the other stuff works...haha.
 
I guess the first initial glimpse of the ingredient panel but it must be really good stuff if everyone Raves about it.
 
So I read a study on Alabolicmen . com and it says Fadogia agrestis could actually cause damage to the testes? Now I know I'm in this realm because conflicting info starts haha. Rat studies never bothered me, most SARMS were only on rats. But there are TONS of users here, so I'd like to hear somebody chime in here with blood work?

I just love how there's hard to find studies on these ingredients, so it's up to the community to be our own lab rats lol. This alone would make me choose KB over M-test....HOWEVER....I do want to last longer in bed like Fadogia agrestis claims. Hell, that's all iv'e wanted haha.
 
Yeah i meant whatever has less sides. But thats why i dont know. Never used prohormones before. They seem to have too much BS involved with them than its worth.
 
YamahaC76 said:
I'm looking at the M-Test now and it looks great. I see conflicting studies and opinions on stinging nettle though, but whats the consensus on this forum? I'm using the Sparta PCT that has some good stuff in it. (There seems to be two of these PCT that are different?) But I'm using the one with the good stuff for sure. But am thinking of hoping on M-Test after. I like what I see but have little experience using the Fadogia Agrestis, never taken anything with it.
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M-Test is hands down the best OTC testbooster ive used within the last 2-3 years.

I used T-Force in the past (straight fadogia) and that was the only other test booster that gave me increased oily skin, acne and minor strength increases with one bottle.

No, I am not a rep of SNS.
 
Johnold said:
Don't they have other products?
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yes CEL has many products man

If your old school back in good ol ph days ( hdrol p-plex mdrol ) cel was huge and still is

I believe the site might be under construction or something, i know SNS ( sister co to CEL ) website is being reworked.

Cycle Assist
Tudca
PCT Assist
Epi - Plex
M test


https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/brands/competitive-edge-labs/

plenty of reviews online .. and always No prop, no BS blends.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
yes CEL has many products man

If your old school back in good ol ph days ( hdrol p-plex mdrol ) cel was huge and still is

I believe the site might be under construction or something, i know SNS ( sister co to CEL ) website is being reworked.

Cycle Assist
Tudca
PCT Assist
Epi - Plex
M test


https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/brands/competitive-edge-labs/

plenty of reviews online .. and always No prop, no BS blends.
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Beat me to it! My shyt connection out at my house unfortunately keeps me quiet a lot of evenings. CEL is one of the most reputable brands out there. It is owned by SNS, which by themselves have a long history of high quality, affordable supplements. M-Test is the best test booster I have used. This product, along with several others, is what made me want to rep for them. I was given a bottle to log BEFORE I was a rep and I bought another bottle on my own dime. . As a matter of fact, M-Test is going to be an important part of my contest prep as I am natural at this juncture.
 
tyga tyga said:
M-Test is hands down the best OTC testbooster ive used within the last 2-3 years.

I used T-Force in the past (straight fadogia) and that was the only other test booster that gave me increased oily skin, acne and minor strength increases with one bottle.

No, I am not a rep of SNS.
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So, oily skin aside, the Fadogia did some work? But "hands down" is a good rating :)

Preffered ordering site with best prices? I used A1, But they totally lagged on my last order...99.9% in stock guarantee...yeah right. 6 days to process and 6 days on a 2-5 day shipping premium. Gave me no explanation there before, every order I had previously arrived in 3 days flat. eh...ill probably still use em lol
 
Johnold said:
I learned something new. I did not know that CEL was owned by SNS. What else do they own?
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Just these 2 .. maybe more maybe not

but yeah CEL/Fast Action pharma ruled back in 90's lol

ryane87 said:
Beat me to it! My shyt connection out at my house unfortunately keeps me quiet a lot of evenings. CEL is one of the most reputable brands out there. It is owned by SNS, which by themselves have a long history of high quality, affordable supplements. M-Test is the best test booster I have used. This product, along with several others, is what made me want to rep for them. I was given a bottle to log BEFORE I was a rep and I bought another bottle on my own dime. . As a matter of fact, M-Test is going to be an important part of my contest prep as I am natural at this juncture.
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no worries got your back dude .. Agree cant wait to hop back on Mtest/Xgels stack ..must wait another 4weeks .. then let the gainz come
 
I just spent the better part of 3 hours endlessly looking up largely controversial and conflicting information on Fadogia Agrestis. Claims making it shut down test production. All this brings concern that if it DOES work as well a it should (up to 6x fold in test) then what is that doing to your Leydig Cells? You should almost run a PH if that's the case. I'm just bringing this up, I know lots of guys have used this stuff. It's 2017 now and a lot of stuff I read was from 6 years ago, so If somebody can point me in the direction of human studies using over a gram of the stuff daily, Ill take it haha. Until then, I'm still watching, I want to run M-Test, but may try something else. I'm not in a rush though until I finish my PCT.

I'm sure theres been plenty discussion on this in the past X amount of time, but I literally just came across this compound today.
 
So, i didnt realize that MAN Sports brought back the old stuff and have been busy strong. Might have to reconsider.
 
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