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hazard12 said:
Oh I meant as far as liver goes, id never run orals without a test base. I dont think test E would be necessary tho. You could get away with using TD test or trest or large doses of 4-andro.
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Hmm.... I have a lot of Cyclo-4AD on hand.. And 1-Test Nano. And was offered some tabs last week... But i have had some chest issues.. Im pretty sensetive to hormonal changes i found out.. The pain was insane ... It runs in the fam on my mothers side.. But i REALLLY wanna move past being a regular joe in the gym... Wanna see veins poppin and feeling like hulk!
 
bradleyt1 said:
Does any one know if 4-androstenediol is effective on its own for bulking if dosed high enough? 10 days in on androtest 8 caps a day. I have always read about it being stacked with 1-AD back in the day but wondering a high dose of it by itself for pure mass is possible.
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Well if you eat enuff! I did 4-5-6-6 caps last time.. Gained a bit but didnt follow any diet. Got pretty strong starting 3 week
 
thanks for the advice brotha! Btw, how was the nano 1-t? Was thinking on it but between that and androtest it's extremely expensive to run. I wish they had just went with 1-AD caps instead
 
DennisTheDane said:
Hmm.... I have a lot of Cyclo-4AD on hand.. And 1-Test Nano. And was offered some tabs last week... But i have had some chest issues.. Im pretty sensetive to hormonal changes i found out.. The pain was insane ... It runs in the fam on my mothers side.. But i REALLLY wanna move past being a regular joe in the gym... Wanna see veins poppin and feeling like hulk!
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Can you describe this chest issue better? Is it heart related? or lungs? or pec muscles? or ribs? How are hormones messing it up?
 
hazard12 said:
Can you describe this chest issue better? Is it heart related? or lungs? or pec muscles? or ribs? How are hormones messing it up?
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I get lumps between my ribs. And burning sensation..A little nolva took care of the burning nips.. But went of the wagon for a while to see if it changed.. And it did.. And i back with full force...
 
bradleyt1 said:
thanks for the advice brotha! Btw, how was the nano 1-t? Was thinking on it but between that and androtest it's extremely expensive to run. I wish they had just went with 1-AD caps instead
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Remeber to quote me so i can see you are writing me bro :D

Well i had to stop the whole thing. But im starting up again. Will let you know if its good.. Saw miced reviews on Nano1. I maybe add some real AAS when i start again.
 
DennisTheDane said:
I get lumps between my ribs. And burning sensation..A little nolva took care of the burning nips.. But went of the wagon for a while to see if it changed.. And it did.. And i back with full force...
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Lumps between your ribs...thats the first time ive heard of that. Is it the intercostal muscles or you think its related to breast tissue?
 
hazard12 said:
Lumps between your ribs...thats the first time ive heard of that. Is it the intercostal muscles or you think its related to breast tissue?
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Well it runs in the familiy. Its muscles lumps or fat lumps. My mother had it. And my brother got one removed with surgery. When i work out i mean a hardcore workout where i kill chest i get pains in the chest.. And not the DOMS kinda pains..
 
DennisTheDane said:
Well it runs in the familiy. Its muscles lumps or fat lumps. My mother had it. And my brother got one removed with surgery. When i work out i mean a hardcore workout where i kill chest i get pains in the chest.. And not the DOMS kinda pains..
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Hmmm, my best advice would be to hardcore stretch your chest and ribcage on a daily basis. Look up some stretches for exactly the area you are reffering to on youtube, try some until you find one that really hits the spot and do it diligently every day. It might not fix it but I bet itll allow you to do a cycle and who knows, maybe the combination strengthens the surrounding tissue enough to support you. Thats kinda what im doing right now with my injury, im both fixing the actual issue and strengthening everything around it. Thats where the cycle comes in real handy, speeds up the process and you get to feel better and look better/get stronger all at once if done properly.

Id say go for a mild cycle, nothing crazy. A moderate dose of Cylclo-4AD as your test base and a moderate dose of a muscle builder. Dont focus on strength because thats how you get overly excited or feel like you need to push yourself and end up ****ing **** up. Lots of stretching, high reps low weight, LOTS OF FREAKING WATER and a pristine diet and I think ull like the results. Also, dont be afraid to take days off during your cycle, when you arent at your best its not about making the most of every single day, its about getting safely from A to B so that your next cycle you can actually go balls deep.
 
Oh, given that your issue is kinda weird im not sure if this will help but I think its worth a shot (pun intended). Get yourself some tb-500 and some BPC-157 and pin that **** directly on the spot. Try it for 2 weeks and see if you see improvements. I think theres a decent chance it will.
 
hazard12 said:
Hmmm, my best advice would be to hardcore stretch your chest and ribcage on a daily basis. Look up some stretches for exactly the area you are reffering to on youtube, try some until you find one that really hits the spot and do it diligently every day. It might not fix it but I bet itll allow you to do a cycle and who knows, maybe the combination strengthens the surrounding tissue enough to support you. Thats kinda what im doing right now with my injury, im both fixing the actual issue and strengthening everything around it. Thats where the cycle comes in real handy, speeds up the process and you get to feel better and look better/get stronger all at once if done properly.

Id say go for a mild cycle, nothing crazy. A moderate dose of Cylclo-4AD as your test base and a moderate dose of a muscle builder. Dont focus on strength because thats how you get overly excited or feel like you need to push yourself and end up ****ing **** up. Lots of stretching, high reps low weight, LOTS OF FREAKING WATER and a pristine diet and I think ull like the results. Also, dont be afraid to take days off during your cycle, when you arent at your best its not about making the most of every single day, its about getting safely from A to B so that your next cycle you can actually go balls deep.
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Well i actually stretch my chest just as you said.. And i think that helped me a lot!!!! I use the first 20 minuts of my work out warming up and doing stretching. I think you hit the nail spot on brother! Slow but steady gains no superman moves . Like LOOK AT ME IM SUPERMAN....Well i can still feel like hulk... :D I dont do super heavy lifts.. I do many sets...Like 10x10 chest press
 
hazard12 said:
Oh, given that your issue is kinda weird im not sure if this will help but I think its worth a shot (pun intended). Get yourself some tb-500 and some BPC-157 and pin that **** directly on the spot. Try it for 2 weeks and see if you see improvements. I think theres a decent chance it will.
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I FECKIN hate needles! :D
 
hazard12 said:
dude its insulin needles man, if you use a fresh one for each pin they feel like moskito bites haha
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Your just saying that to calm me down hahahaha
 
Also, stretch when you arent working out as well. Try getting a 20min stretch upon waking up and a 20min stretch before you go to bed. When it comes to stretching, the more the better and it does make a difference.
 
hazard12 said:
Oh, given that your issue is kinda weird im not sure if this will help but I think its worth a shot (pun intended). Get yourself some tb-500 and some BPC-157 and pin that **** directly on the spot. Try it for 2 weeks and see if you see improvements. I think theres a decent chance it will.
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I would be afraid to put something building into a place I want to losen up. Would seek medical advice from an open to new things medical doc before trying something like that.
 
hazard12 said:
Also, stretch when you arent working out as well. Try getting a 20min stretch upon waking up and a 20min stretch before you go to bed. When it comes to stretching, the more the better and it does make a difference.
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Yes dad ! Will apply stretching before bed ! And after work mby
 
Bunshichi said:
I would be afraid to put something building into a place I want to losen up. Would seek medical advice from an open to new things medical doc before trying something like that.
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Eh, I personally dont trust doctors with anything that isnt life threatening. I find it kinda funny how much faith people have in them.
 
hazard12 said:
Eh, I personally dont trust doctors with anything that isnt life threatening. I find it kinda funny how much faith people have in them.
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I didnt go to the doc this time.. Used CDB and it works wonders.
 
DennisTheDane said:
I didnt go to the doc this time.. Used CDB and it works wonders.
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True, cbd is pretty neat to deal with pain but BPC-157 and TB-500 actually cause repair and can lead to eventual termination of the injury. They have gotten me pretty far.
 
hazard12 said:
Eh, I personally dont trust doctors with anything that isnt life threatening. I find it kinda funny how much faith people have in them.
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Well actually I always have to search for docs I can trust. But there are some good out there.
One can't go to a wild md and trust all he says. But docs open to newer stuff like the peptides in question usually know a thing or two as they keep updated.
 
hazard12 said:
True, cbd is pretty neat to deal with pain but BPC-157 and TB-500 actually cause repair and can lead to eventual termination of the injury. They have gotten me pretty far.
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Well if i ever get into pinning i will have a look.. But from following Hairygranpa many of those reseach chems aint all its cut out to be,
 
Bunshichi said:
Well actually I always have to search for docs I can trust. But there are some good out there.
One can't go to a wild md and trust all he says. But docs open to newer stuff like the peptides in question usually know a thing or two as they keep updated.
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Fair enough. If you find a doctor smart enough to be open to healing peptides and even hormones for issues nothing else has fixed, give him/her a shot. Most doctors ive come across are so full of themselves and the **** they learned in med school (which is now outdated, they are just too full of themselves to wrap their heads around that idea) they have no chance at helping you. The only thing those are good for is the life saving **** they learned in med school which often times passes the test of time.
 
DennisTheDane said:
Well if i ever get into pinning i will have a look.. But from following Hairygranpa many of those reseach chems aint all its cut out to be,
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The problem is that people hype **** up too much man. Neither of these peptides will heal you, they will allow you to start the healing process which might be completely halted. That was my case, they didnt fix me but they allowed me to fix myself by using them on top of a bunch of other stuff. If I just shot them and expected to get healed, then yeah id think they are ****.
 
hazard12 said:
The problem is that people hype **** up too much man. Neither of these peptides will heal you, they will allow you to start the healing process which might be completely halted. That was my case, they didnt fix me but they allowed me to fix myself by using them on top of a bunch of other stuff. If I just shot them and expected to get healed, then yeah id think they are ****.
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Good on you man! Nice to hear they helped you. Well if it turns to shjiaat again will look into them.. I already heard about TB-500. Thanks for the tips. Your a good guy.
 
Bunshichi said:
I guess he is trying to get that huge and intimidating before it effects liver health that the liver doesn't dare to make problems because its too afraid?

But seriously even with absolute killer compounds one will be fine if there is not another circumstance bad for the liver and the cycle is sufficiently short.
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Or when you have pre-existing conditions with liver problems or a history of constant alcohol intake. Drinking plenty of water and taking Taurine, TUDCA/UDCA, NAC, etc and just stay away from the alcohol is usually enough for healthy livers to survive for months at a time.
 
fueledpassion said:
Or when you have pre-existing conditions with liver problems or a history of constant alcohol intake. Drinking plenty of water and taking Taurine, TUDCA/UDCA, NAC, etc and just stay away from the alcohol is usually enough for healthy livers to survive for months at a time.
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Well I would not take it further than 3 weeks for some stacks and doses but yes that pretty much nails it.
 
Bunshichi said:
Well I would not take it further than 3 weeks for some stacks and doses but yes that pretty much nails it.
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Generally speaking, I get smacked by the other sides long before the liver starts giving in. DBol being an exception though. I lose my appetite immediately on that stuff - just something about it and my liver don't agree. Truth is, After using slin, I could care less about wet, overly toxic orals for quick weight gain. Slin and GHRP-2/6 is way more fun, IME. That said, I plan to dabble with about 25mg A-Bombs next bulk run but if I go back to anything, I'll probably just stick with 30-45mg M1A because that stuff is amazing on the strength and recomping effect. Plus, it doesn't trash my appetite.

On a side note, one drug that is supreme to all in terms of working fast and hitting hard on strength and mass in a dose dependent fashion is Dienolone Acetate. Anywhere from 350-1050mg/wk is doable, obviously the higher doses are kinda crazy though in terms of BP and estrogen levels. I think that stuff does a number on the kidneys though.
 
DennisTheDane said:
Bambam as i wrote you on insta...You look awesome dude! But what the fucck is A-Bombs :D
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hazard12 said:
1g TUDCA/day and ull be good as long as you dont run it too long.
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DennisTheDane said:
Would a Test E base not be a must
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Thanks guys I am supplementing with OL Kingsguard and additional NAC and TUDCA, along with plenty of antioxidants and vitamins/minerals. Fruits/greens powder, etc.
And yes, I am using Test E as a base, with some NPP too. Somehow staying tight, lean and vascular despite being on several compounds known for retaining water diet is key!
fueledpassion said:
Or when you have pre-existing conditions with liver problems or a history of constant alcohol intake. Drinking plenty of water and taking Taurine, TUDCA/UDCA, NAC, etc and just stay away from the alcohol is usually enough for healthy livers to survive for months at a time.
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fueledpassion said:
Generally speaking, I get smacked by the other sides long before the liver starts giving in. DBol being an exception though. I lose my appetite immediately on that stuff - just something about it and my liver don't agree. Truth is, After using slin, I could care less about wet, overly toxic orals for quick weight gain. Slin and GHRP-2/6 is way more fun, IME. That said, I plan to dabble with about 25mg A-Bombs next bulk run but if I go back to anything, I'll probably just stick with 30-45mg M1A because that stuff is amazing on the strength and recomping effect. Plus, it doesn't trash my appetite.

On a side note, one drug that is supreme to all in terms of working fast and hitting hard on strength and mass in a dose dependent fashion is Dienolone Acetate. Anywhere from 350-1050mg/wk is doable, obviously the higher doses are kinda crazy though in terms of BP and estrogen levels. I think that stuff does a number on the kidneys though.
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Agreed that slin and GH related compounds are superior in building quality mass. Dbol/anadrol is fun though. The pumps are godly.
Might have to look into that dien ace after my shows this fall.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Thanks guys I am supplementing with OL Kingsguard and additional NAC and TUDCA, along with plenty of antioxidants and vitamins/minerals. Fruits/greens powder, etc.
And yes, I am using Test E as a base, with some NPP too. Somehow staying tight, lean and vascular despite being on several compounds known for retaining water diet is key!




Agreed that slin and GH related compounds are superior in building quality mass. Dbol/anadrol is fun though. The pumps are godly.
Might have to look into that dien ace after my shows this fall.
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Im fan! Been following you for quite a time now!
 
Caldwood said:
Beastplexx anyone dabbled?
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I took Mutant Plexx multiple times back in the day when it still contained the good prohormones, and Monster Plexx. Don't think I took Beast Plexx
 
My friend took beast plexx, he gained like 30lbs to his bench lmao. You're better off running msten solo than taking something that probably doesnt have what's labeled in it
 
My favorite pro hormone is testosterone.... plexadrolabol

Then PMS black liver is second.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
My friend took beast plexx, he gained like 30lbs to his bench lmao. You're better off running msten solo than taking something that probably doesnt have what's labeled in it
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Is 30lbs unusual? I just about expect that much by the 4th or 5th week into just about any cycle with strong orals involved. M1A gives me that sort of gain in strength in the first 10 days.
 
fueledpassion said:
Is 30lbs unusual? I just about expect that much by the 4th or 5th week into just about any cycle with strong orals involved. M1A gives me that sort of gain in strength in the first 10 days.
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Well that makes sense actually on cycle I hover around 230-240 by the end and 205 natty and trim.
 
fueledpassion said:
Is 30lbs unusual? I just about expect that much by the 4th or 5th week into just about any cycle with strong orals involved. M1A gives me that sort of gain in strength in the first 10 days.
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I'm saying that it is bad, considering all the compounds the company is claiming the bottle to have. Also, keep in mind he was only benching 235lbs prior, so a 30lb increase on bench isn't much at all
 
Caldwood said:
Yessir I'm following you now that would be dangerous if I added on 30lbs to my max lol
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But 30lbs weight gain on a cycle is something I'd only expect bodybuilders to do right after a hard cut. Couldn't imagine a typical gym rat making those types of gains and keeping them on just a cycle alone. Pretty much would have to get slin and GH involved for anything over 20-25lbs for myself but I'm a small-framed lifter (5'5").
 
Super DMZ Rx 2.0 worked incredibly well for me. That was stuff of the gods.
 
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