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Ask Me Anything AAS/PH/PCT Related

Cgkone said:
That's a hard core stack. And that's a long one too.
I would guess Epiandro is not enough.
I'm guessing you don't want to pin.
Just add 4 andro and plan on being tired.
Your bulking so eat and rest.
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What ever happened to just stacking anadrol with dbol and test! All these ph and sarms. Are they even as good as good old aas???
 
HebrewHulk said:
Can Clomid be used 50/50/25/25 without an actual cycle prior to it as a standalone boost?
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Yes
Do it and log it.
You will enjoy test levels on the plus side of high.
Many people get more strength gains of Clomid than a beginner Sarm cycle.
You won't have that "on" feeling but you will have high test.
My client hit PRs at week 3 of pct after a 9 week osta and Epiandro.
 
Is this tread still an ask anything, Q&A tread? We'll see...

I'm 41 with declining test levels. Through my most recent doctor, I was put on thyroid (underactive) meds about a year and a half ago, and Andro Gel about 1 year ago. My levels as of 6 months ago were as follows:
T3 = 3.7pg/mL
T4 = .83ng/dL
Test Total = 345
Bio available = 128

That puts my thyroid and test levels at the low end of "acceptable" for my age. My doctor has zero desire to jack these levels any higher. My previous doctor from 3+ years ago came to similar conclusions (declining test levels), prescribed Andro Gel, and was fine with where my numbers were at, low end of acceptable. I was also on a waiting list for 6 months for each of these doctors, so finding another doctor is problematic; especially since the last two I've had came to the exact same conclusion.

In my 30's I ran 3 cycles of Havoc (just 1 bottle each), probably spaced a year apart. I LOVED how I felt for the month taking the product, and made great gains, but hated the next 2 months. I ran an AI and PCT, but didn't seem to do much. Only once did I actually get my hands on Clomid, but I'm not certain it was even good or real. I have zero connections to getting much of anything, so OTC is pretty much my game.

I'm not special...I'm like every other 40-year-old who attacks life as though he were still 25...but I'm feeling it now and gains just aren't happening. Sadly, I have already come to terms with the fact that pulling 515 deads 3 years ago was my pinnacle.

So, what do you recommend?
A) Keep working out naturally, never making another gain in my life
B) An OTC something-or-other to get some spark back in the weight room
C) Other (keeping in mind I don't know what that "other" would be
 
Famine said:
Is this tread still an ask anything, Q&A tread? We'll see...

I'm 41 with declining test levels. Through my most recent doctor, I was put on thyroid (underactive) meds about a year and a half ago, and Andro Gel about 1 year ago. My levels as of 6 months ago were as follows:
T3 = 3.7pg/mL
T4 = .83ng/dL
Test Total = 345
Bio available = 128

That puts my thyroid and test levels at the low end of "acceptable" for my age. My doctor has zero desire to jack these levels any higher. My previous doctor from 3+ years ago came to similar conclusions (declining test levels), prescribed Andro Gel, and was fine with where my numbers were at, low end of acceptable. I was also on a waiting list for 6 months for each of these doctors, so finding another doctor is problematic; especially since the last two I've had came to the exact same conclusion.

In my 30's I ran 3 cycles of Havoc (just 1 bottle each), probably spaced a year apart. I LOVED how I felt for the month taking the product, and made great gains, but hated the next 2 months. I ran an AI and PCT, but didn't seem to do much. Only once did I actually get my hands on Clomid, but I'm not certain it was even good or real. I have zero connections to getting much of anything, so OTC is pretty much my game.

I'm not special...I'm like every other 40-year-old who attacks life as though he were still 25...but I'm feeling it now and gains just aren't happening. Sadly, I have already come to terms with the fact that pulling 515 deads 3 years ago was my pinnacle.

So, what do you recommend?
A)Keep working out naturally, never making another gain in my life
B)An OTC something-or-other to get some spark back in the weight room
C)Other (keeping in mind I don't know what that "other" would be
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You could run a cycle and get your hormones checked when you know your shutdown habajaba style
 
I'm taking Halodrol from gaspari 30 day cycle right now, can I go straight into my 30 day msten cycle or how long do I need to wait.
 
Famine said:
So, what do you recommend?
A) Keep working out naturally, never making another gain in my life
B) An OTC something-or-other to get some spark back in the weight room
C) Other (keeping in mind I don't know what that "other" would be
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Depends ultimately on what you are prepared to prioritise and risk.

Theres some evidence that low range test levels could affect cardiovascular health, etc. Plus, while youre living, you want to feel normal and as good as you can. This might point you in the direction of self-administered trt (test inj). But, this is no decision to take lightly.

Ideally, youll have a doc on board sympathetic to your aims.

Either way, self-prescribed vs professional....pros and cons.
 
mmorso said:
You could run a cycle and get your hormones checked when you know your shutdown habajaba style
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Haha! To be fair, I do believe I'm on the low end of acceptable. Nolva in PCT took me into "normal" range. So I think once I was off PCT for a while, I'd have dropped to 3xx. My symptoms were real, too. But it didn't hurt to have my epi-andro bloodwork on hand to back up my claim that I was low :-).

You could try a TRT clinic vs a general practitioner if you have those in your town. There are a couple that even do tele-medicine and send you the goods by mail.
 
habajaba said:
Haha! To be fair, I do believe I'm on the low end of acceptable. Nolva in PCT took me into "normal" range. So I think once I was off PCT for a while, I'd have dropped to 3xx. My symptoms were real, too. But it didn't hurt to have my epi-andro bloodwork on hand to back up my claim that I was low :-).

You could try a TRT clinic vs a general practitioner if you have those in your town. There are a couple that even do tele-medicine and send you the goods by mail.
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There are a ton of these online teledoctor TRT dudes. Some will work with your insurance. And yeah you could go into the blood work after a few doses of trest. My free test was literally 50 right now. Yes I saved those results and was thinking the same thing man, maybe I take these to a TRT lab and get a script. Then save up the test for when I want it next? Cause they don't give you a huge amount on TRT right?

Anyways this had occurred to me as well. Lol. Great way to get pharma quality test mailed to the house. Line above board too.
 
Famine said:
Is this tread still an ask anything, Q&A tread? We'll see...

I'm 41 with declining test levels. Through my most recent doctor, I was put on thyroid (underactive) meds about a year and a half ago, and Andro Gel about 1 year ago. My levels as of 6 months ago were as follows:
T3 = 3.7pg/mL
T4 = .83ng/dL
Test Total = 345
Bio available = 128

That puts my thyroid and test levels at the low end of "acceptable" for my age. My doctor has zero desire to jack these levels any higher. My previous doctor from 3+ years ago came to similar conclusions (declining test levels), prescribed Andro Gel, and was fine with where my numbers were at, low end of acceptable. I was also on a waiting list for 6 months for each of these doctors, so finding another doctor is problematic; especially since the last two I've had came to the exact same conclusion.

In my 30's I ran 3 cycles of Havoc (just 1 bottle each), probably spaced a year apart. I LOVED how I felt for the month taking the product, and made great gains, but hated the next 2 months. I ran an AI and PCT, but didn't seem to do much. Only once did I actually get my hands on Clomid, but I'm not certain it was even good or real. I have zero connections to getting much of anything, so OTC is pretty much my game.

I'm not special...I'm like every other 40-year-old who attacks life as though he were still 25...but I'm feeling it now and gains just aren't happening. Sadly, I have already come to terms with the fact that pulling 515 deads 3 years ago was my pinnacle.

So, what do you recommend?
A)Keep working out naturally, never making another gain in my life
B)An OTC something-or-other to get some spark back in the weight room
C)Other (keeping in mind I don't know what that "other" would be
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What program are you running to get your deads up.
A solid program with a beging 4-5 weeks of ramping volume followed by 4-5 weeks of lowering reps and increasing weight to about 90% of 1rm for doubles and tripples should work.
515 is a good lift but being forty dosnt mean you can't increase it.
 
sespress said:
There are a ton of these online teledoctor TRT dudes. Some will work with your insurance. And yeah you could go into the blood work after a few doses of trest. My free test was literally 50 right now. Yes I saved those results and was thinking the same thing man, maybe I take these to a TRT lab and get a script. Then save up the test for when I want it next? Cause they don't give you a huge amount on TRT right?

Anyways this had occurred to me as well. Lol. Great way to get pharma quality test mailed to the house. Line above board too.
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I only found a couple tele-med TRT clinics that didn't seem shady. One of the more popular shady ones just got busted for selling illegal steroids out of a popular gym in Miami. You might have heard of it.

I think they can tell by your LH/FSH, and possibly other values, whether you are on AAS or the numbers are legit. You might find a shady online doc who won't look. But a real doc would probably notice that and deny treatment. My blood test was borderline and my backup bloods were a little questionable. I admit that. But I will say that I had legitimate symptoms and even my numbers on Nolva weren't where they should have been. So my doc was willing to give it a shot. I wouldn't recommend just blasting yourself with suppressive substances in an attempt to game TRT. I think you'd have a hard time using TRT testosterone at higher levels because they require blood tests on a regular basis. It would be tough to stabilize to a normal level as expected, if you were using it to cycle.
 
Famine said:
Is this tread still an ask anything, Q&A tread? We'll see...

I'm 41 with declining test levels. Through my most recent doctor, I was put on thyroid (underactive) meds about a year and a half ago, and Andro Gel about 1 year ago. My levels as of 6 months ago were as follows:
T3 = 3.7pg/mL
T4 = .83ng/dL
Test Total = 345
Bio available = 128

That puts my thyroid and test levels at the low end of "acceptable" for my age. My doctor has zero desire to jack these levels any higher. My previous doctor from 3+ years ago came to similar conclusions (declining test levels), prescribed Andro Gel, and was fine with where my numbers were at, low end of acceptable. I was also on a waiting list for 6 months for each of these doctors, so finding another doctor is problematic; especially since the last two I've had came to the exact same conclusion.

In my 30's I ran 3 cycles of Havoc (just 1 bottle each), probably spaced a year apart. I LOVED how I felt for the month taking the product, and made great gains, but hated the next 2 months. I ran an AI and PCT, but didn't seem to do much. Only once did I actually get my hands on Clomid, but I'm not certain it was even good or real. I have zero connections to getting much of anything, so OTC is pretty much my game.

I'm not special...I'm like every other 40-year-old who attacks life as though he were still 25...but I'm feeling it now and gains just aren't happening. Sadly, I have already come to terms with the fact that pulling 515 deads 3 years ago was my pinnacle.

So, what do you recommend?
A) Keep working out naturally, never making another gain in my life
B) An OTC something-or-other to get some spark back in the weight room
C) Other (keeping in mind I don't know what that "other" would be
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Sorry your doctors are OK with you having test levels of an average 85-100 year old. Invalid Link Removed

Are you in the USA? I would high suggest looking for a urologist or a TRT clinic. I spoke with a few in my area, one said they prescribe 200mg test cyp/week standard (I would guess that would get you above 350 range though not entirely sure) and the other said they aim for levels of 1,200 (seriously).
 
What would you recommend for first cycle test e test c ? I have two cycles of PH under my belt seen good gains and strength. Looking to hit up some clen through summer the. Clean bulk fall so this gives time to learn about AAS more and have everything ready thanks for any info
 
Either one, they are both much of a muchness. Pin twice per week on fixed days is typically the ideal protocol with those esters, but you could get away with once if you really wanted.
 
How long does it usually take to start feeling the benefits of Testosterone Cypionate?
I know it's a longer ester but at 150mg (TRT Level) per week how long would it take to "Kick In"?
 
smitty262 said:
What would be a good starting point how much per inj
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Up to you.

500mg per w is the generic first bro cycle, but anything as "low" as 300mg pw (150mg x2) will still have you supraphysiological throughout.

Youll need an AI, and SERM obviously.

And for the love of god do pre bloods.
 
Cgkone said:
Yes
Do it and log it.
You will enjoy test levels on the plus side of high.
Many people get more strength gains of Clomid than a beginner Sarm cycle.
You won't have that "on" feeling but you will have high test.
My client hit PRs at week 3 of pct after a 9 week osta and Epiandro.
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I call bs on that.
 
habajaba said:
My doc started with 300mg every other week. I started to feel it within 6-8 weeks.
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It likely took that long because that protocol sucks.

Obviously, if you feel fine and are happy with it, all good. But 150mg split twice per wk will tend to stabilise much sooner.
 
Ok a healthy and fast come back I think will be better for the future as far as keeping good health and being able to do another cycle
 
InItForGainz said:
Start low, about 100mg per week (2x50mg) then build up slowly relative to bloods/health and general feeling.
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smitty262 said:
Ok a healthy and fast come back I think will be better for the future as far as keeping good health and being able to do another cycle
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If this is a cycle and not trt, Id pick a dose and commit to it (within reason). I wouldnt recommend ramping up test doses over "short" periods of time.
 
InItForGainz said:
I'm having TRT with Test Cypionate at 140mg (2x70mg) per week. How long do you think that would take to 'kick in" and start working on a muscle building level?
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Muscle building? Really won't. It is more a quality of life kinda thing. You want muscle then you need to blast some test at supra phisciological levels.
 
yates84 said:
Muscle building? Really won't. It is more a quality of life kinda thing. You want muscle then you need to blast some test at supra phisciological levels.
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I know it's more of a personal preference yates but what would you generally say a supra level would be 500+ in total PW?
 
yates84 said:
Muscle building? Really won't. It is more a quality of life kinda thing. You want muscle then you need to blast some test at supra phisciological levels.
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Well not exactly muscle building but reversing muscle atrophy that I've suffered from having little and no TRT for the last 21 weeks.
 
InItForGainz said:
Well not exactly muscle building but reversing muscle atrophy that I've suffered from having little and no TRT for the last 21 weeks.
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Dude I empathise with your concerns but like I assured you in your other thread...your current trt protocol should amply and abley take care of any low-test catabolism. Get some bloods done, Ill be surprised if you are below mid-range at the trough.

Barring there being some other undiagnosed issue, your new trt protocol is fine as it is. You dont need a "kicker" or anything. Think about it: most normal guys dont "feel on" with their normal natural levels, and they generally arent catabolic and losing muscle.

Youre doing trt, not a cycle/blast.
 
Tank999 said:
Anybody can tell me the difference betweem r andro and 1 andro? Can they be dosed together?
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They are way way different. 1 Android converts into 1 testosterone and r andro ends up as dht. Yes, they can be dosed together. 1 andro should give you some muscle building effect while r andro will keep you Feel ng good and also keep you dry on cycle.
 
yates84 said:
They are way way different. 1 Android converts into 1 testosterone and r andro ends up as dht. Yes, they can be dosed together. 1 andro should give you some muscle building effect while r andro will keep you Feel ng good and also keep you dry on cycle.
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Thank you sir!
 
I'm currently on alpha 1 max my second run on PH have my pct and cycle support Im almost done with the cycle. And was looking for a first run of AAS somthin to pack on as much lean mass as possible.
 
jameschoi said:
In my 2nd week of Halodrol, seems to make me lethargic, what can I take to fight the sleepiness.
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You need something that helps fulfill the function of testosterone or mitigates the symptoms of low test, which is suppressed and causing the lethargic feels. Your most common options these days are: Testosterone>4-andro>Epiandro>Super DHEA.
 
Nac said:
Dude I empathise with your concerns but like I assured you in your other thread...your current trt protocol should amply and abley take care of any low-test catabolism. Get some bloods done, Ill be surprised if you are below mid-range at the trough.

Barring there being some other undiagnosed issue, your new trt protocol is fine as it is. You dont need a "kicker" or anything. Think about it: most normal guys dont "feel on" with their normal natural levels, and they generally arent catabolic and losing muscle.

Youre doing trt, not a cycle/blast.
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Had bloods back 2 weeks ago
Testosterone 62ng/dl
Free Testosterone 0.8ng/dl
 
InItForGainz said:
Yeah. Baring in mind that I'm 24 years old.
How often would you recommed I get bloods done?
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Ok firstly: if youve actually started inj cyp, your test-related catabolic issues are taken care of.

Typical endo practice is to do an assessment draw after 6-8 weeks of commencing treatment (barring any major issues).

If everything is as it should be at that stage (subjectively and objectively), then draws will decrease significantly in frequency and will tend to mainly be concerned with monitoring health markers (lipids, cbc, e2, etc).
 
jameschoi said:
What are they. I have FD2, will that help and I am having gyno symptoms.
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What does FD2 have to do with anything? Are you on an anabolic cycle or just saying you have it onhand? It will not be useful for combatting Gyno nor high estrogen. Your best options for combatting Gyno on an anabolic cycle are either Nolvadex or Raloxifene(SERMs) and/or Aromasin/Arimidex(Aromatase Inhibitors).
 
Jebrook said:
What does FD2 have to do with anything? Are you on an anabolic cycle or just saying you have it onhand? It will not be useful for combatting Gyno nor high estrogen. Your best options for combatting Gyno on an anabolic cycle are either Nolvadex or Raloxifene(SERMs) and/or Aromasin/Arimidex(Aromatase Inhibitors).
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Will get Nolva then, thanks.
 
jameschoi said:
Will get Nolva then, thanks.
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On Cycle gyno protection
Ralox - 60mg ed
Exemestane 12.5mg eod or Armidex .5mg eod

Gyno Reversal Protocol
Ralox - 120mg ed
Exemestane - 12.5mg eod
*One should follow this protocol until lumps have subsided. At which point the Ralox dose should be reduced to 60mg ed and continued for another 4 weeks, and exemestane should be continued at 12.5mg eod for another 6 weeks. Continuing the exemestane for 2 weeks after discontinuing the Ralox helps prevent rebound.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/276620-post-cycle-therapy.html
 
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