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Killer labz exterminator gave me one hell of a whammy up the backside.

300mg caffeine backed with dmha, alpha yohimbine and erica jarensis.

I did my workout then washed and polished three cars :D

God job I took the stuff at dinnertime, took me most of the day to wind down, and boy what a headache.
 
JAMES1980 said:
Any post workout crash with Dust extreme? I got a tub in cupboard but a little hesitate to try it because i got horrible crash with Old Jack.
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Well, there was a stretch where I used it almost daily. When I did, it just didn't feel as good. Now, I try to use it seldom. All I know is yesterday was awesome. Great ride into the gym, super social (luckily that happened before I started lifting or I'd have been pissed lol), great energy that just casually wore off later at work.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Took Dust Extreme this morning for the first time in quite a while. Loved it.

Try to rotate it out so I can enjoy that extra edge. May go with Mesomorph tomorrow. My go-to lately for day to day has been Prolific + ephedrine. Just ordered 2 tubs of Kraken today and already got shipping confirmation :)
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I find 2 scoops of prolific good enough to give me a boost for heavy leg days and only slightly less effective than the DMAA based pres such as Mesomorph, Riot, and Dust Extreme
 
paul56778 said:
I find 2 scoops of prolific good enough to give me a boost for heavy leg days and only slightly less effective than the DMAA based pres such as Mesomorph, Riot, and Dust Extreme
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Used 2 scoops of Prolific and 1 tab Bronkaid (25mg E) this morning. Good lift as always, but no where near the focus and pep in my step that Dust Extreme gives me (when I use it sparingly like this).
 
MidwestBeast said:
Took Dust Extreme this morning for the first time in quite a while. Loved it.

Try to rotate it out so I can enjoy that extra edge. May go with Mesomorph tomorrow. My go-to lately for day to day has been Prolific + ephedrine. Just ordered 2 tubs of Kraken today and already got shipping confirmation :)
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I enjoy 2 scoops of Prolific... Tunnel vision and focus out the wazoo! Never added bronkaid to a pre though...

Been through 2 tubs of Kraken already... It's great stuff even at only 200mgs caffeine... It's higher DMHA and Eria than any other product on the market with those 2 ingredients.

You'll really enjoy it if you've never used it before. Taste leaves something to be desired, but that's about to change as Sparta is now using Hi Tech's flavoring personnel foe the new batches of Kraken!
 
Robert5891 said:
I enjoy 2 scoops of Prolific... Tunnel vision and focus out the wazoo! Never added bronkaid to a pre though...

Been through 2 tubs of Kraken already... It's great stuff even at only 200mgs caffeine... It's higher DMHA and Eria than any other product on the market with those 2 ingredients.

You'll really enjoy it if you've never used it before. Taste leaves something to be desired, but that's about to change as Sparta is now using Hi Tech's flavoring personnel foe the new batches of Kraken!
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Excited to add it to my rotation. Jumped on it yesterday and grabbed 2 of the new Bombsicle. Tasting good is a perk, but as long as it works, that's most important.

Only time that's not the case for me is protein or intras (e.g. something I intend to sip on).

Sour Gummy Dust Extreme was not good lol. The pineapple mango I believe it is also isn't great but is way better.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Took Dust Extreme this morning for the first time in quite a while. Loved it.

Try to rotate it out so I can enjoy that extra edge. May go with Mesomorph tomorrow. My go-to lately for day to day has been Prolific + ephedrine. Just ordered 2 tubs of Kraken today and already got shipping confirmation :)
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been hearing good things about kraken...did you get the b1g1 deal?
 
MidwestBeast said:
Excited to add it to my rotation. Jumped on it yesterday and grabbed 2 of the new Bombsicle. Tasting good is a perk, but as long as it works, that's most important.

Only time that's not the case for me is protein or intras (e.g. something I intend to sip on).

Sour Gummy Dust Extreme was not good lol. The pineapple mango I believe it is also isn't great but is way better.
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pineapple mango DE was fkn disgusting man. Tasted like what sweat smells like.

also have 2 tubs kraken coming in, pounced on the watermellon rancher :D
 
scump said:
pineapple mango DE was fkn disgusting man. Tasted like what sweat smells like.

also have 2 tubs kraken coming in, pounced on the watermellon rancher :D
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I take it you never had the sour gummy flavor then, because it was faaaarrr worse lol
 
Most hardcore stack I've tried - nutrabio pre extreme + vein nutrition aorta
Haven't tried the new version of cannibal riot, but dmaa version was very strong.
 
Just got Kraken (bombsicle) and tried it. Flavor is on point in 9 oz water. Beta alaninr tingles kick in pretty quickly.

I'll have to give it another go, but I was kind of unimpressed, which made me disappointed. No real laser focus or energy. Pumps on par with what I usually get, but nothing like Dust Extreme for me.

Almost felt like I was moving through my lifts at 80% speed. Not slow mo or dragging, but noticeably slower, especially compared to Dust Extreme, which has me moving much quicker than normal.

Plenty of cals yesterday, plenty of sleep and rest from an extra day off lifting, too, so no idea what happened. Didn't feel my normal euphoria/endorphin high when I left, either.
 
Have had a strong mental fog all day following my lift (now 9 hours after finishing). I'll go back to DE tomorrow and see what I notice
 
MidwestBeast said:
Just got Kraken (bombsicle) and tried it. Flavor is on point in 9 oz water. Beta alaninr tingles kick in pretty quickly.

I'll have to give it another go, but I was kind of unimpressed, which made me disappointed. No real laser focus or energy. Pumps on par with what I usually get, but nothing like Dust Extreme for me.

Almost felt like I was moving through my lifts at 80% speed. Not slow mo or dragging, but noticeably slower, especially compared to Dust Extreme, which has me moving much quicker than normal.

Plenty of cals yesterday, plenty of sleep and rest from an extra day off lifting, too, so no idea what happened. Didn't feel my normal euphoria/endorphin high when I left, either.
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this is disappointing! have you used DMHA/EJ based pre's before?

funny thing is i have swapped back to total war (dmha+EJ) from mesomorph because the mesomorph was doing nothing for me energy/focus wise...
 
scump said:
this is disappointing! have you used DMHA/EJ based pre's before?

funny thing is i have swapped back to total war (dmha+EJ) from mesomorph because the mesomorph was doing nothing for me energy/focus wise...
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Yeah...Mesomorph is like drinking crystal light as a PWO for me. I get so much more out of Conquer Unleashed and/or HyperMax XT on every level..

I have not tried Kraken yet, and not sure I will...

I have my eyes on Scivation Quake to try next as it has some different elements to it that should be great as a change-up...
 
scump said:
this is disappointing! have you used DMHA/EJ based pre's before?

funny thing is i have swapped back to total war (dmha+EJ) from mesomorph because the mesomorph was doing nothing for me energy/focus wise...
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To my knowledge, I have not used DMHA yet. And my only experience with EJ is it being in Elix1r, right? I only used that like twice though because the taste wasn't enjoyable so I just hopped back to FXT.

I was super excited to try this, too. But the "blah" feeling I've had all day has been way worse than just the lack of pick me up. Hopefully tomorrow will be good and get me past this lol. I miss my endorphin rush.
 
MidwestBeast said:
To my knowledge, I have not used DMHA yet. And my only experience with EJ is it being in Elix1r, right? I only used that like twice though because the taste wasn't enjoyable so I just hopped back to FXT.

I was super excited to try this, too. But the "blah" feeling I've had all day has been way worse than just the lack of pick me up. Hopefully tomorrow will be good and get me past this lol. I miss my endorphin rush.
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People have great things to say about DVST8 White Cut. Seems to be the big new favorite!
 
MidwestBeast said:
To my knowledge, I have not used DMHA yet. And my only experience with EJ is it being in Elix1r, right? I only used that like twice though because the taste wasn't enjoyable so I just hopped back to FXT.

I was super excited to try this, too. But the "blah" feeling I've had all day has been way worse than just the lack of pick me up. Hopefully tomorrow will be good and get me past this lol. I miss my endorphin rush.
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ah interesting. Could be you getting used to DMHA then. Its a completely different kettle of fish to DMAA or AMP hey.

DMAA you get that crazy rush and bursting energy from the get go, AMP you get a progressing energy that feels never ending but also kicks in relatively strong.

DMHA/EJ combo i don't really get any spike in energy, but more a feeling of well being, then when i get into the gym and start to blast my music when im in the sets its just me and the weights, in between i run a timer so its not an issue, but you do get very mellow/chill in between sets so easy to lose time... as opposed to AMP/DMAA where they have the same feeling in between sets "hurry the fk up so i can lift again" lol.

Be interesting to see if DMHA is counter-productive to DMAA, tomorrow i might drop a couple dmaa caps with my total war and see how it goes lol.
 
Ricky10 said:
People have great things to say about DVST8 White Cut. Seems to be the big new favorite!
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I've tried a lot of EJ and Dmha products - CU, Total War, Kraken, hypermax. Out of those I'd say Kraken - really solid all the way around but DVST8 white cut is really in a class of its own. It's a little more pricey but its hands down the best Dmha product I've tried.
 
holcs said:
I've tried a lot of EJ and Dmha products - CU, Total War, Kraken, hypermax. Out of those I'd say Kraken - really solid all the way around but DVST8 white cut is really in a class of its own. It's a little more pricey but its hands down the best Dmha product I've tried.
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Well when you put it that way...I may have to hold off on the Quake and give DVST8 a go myself!
 
MidwestBeast said:
To my knowledge, I have not used DMHA yet. And my only experience with EJ is it being in Elix1r, right? I only used that like twice though because the taste wasn't enjoyable so I just hopped back to FXT.

I was super excited to try this, too. But the "blah" feeling I've had all day has been way worse than just the lack of pick me up. Hopefully tomorrow will be good and get me past this lol. I miss my endorphin rush.
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I got what u mean. I had 2 scoops of Triple X 2 weeks ago. One of my best session. Then i had some kind of post workout crash for about 8-10 hours. I even had to double scoops Ruckus so as to pick me up.
 
PES High volume is my favorite for a pump, even other products with the same ingredient profile don't compare. PES must just use the highest quality ingredients. I stack it with a 200mg caffeine pill, 2 scoops of BCAA energy, and 2 pills of ign1te and I got the best of both worlds. Pump+energy. I also really like Conqu3r unleashed with ign1te. Another good one I've recently tried thanks to free samples was controlled labs White Rapids. None of these are 1,3 based but I prefer a clean energy and pump vs methed out gym psycho that will talk your ear off when you simply ask how many sets he has left.
 
Oh also I forgot to mention Elix1r by Olympus Labs. Great clean energy, focus, and euphoria. Never tried it pre workout but I used it before I ran a 5k and felt great the entire time. Maybe this combined with High Volume would be good
 
Anyone have thoughts on Pre-Kaged by Kaged muscle? It's been a while since I finished my tub but I was a big fan while using it. I haven't used any DMAA or DMHA pres tho
 
JAMES1980 said:
I tried CU for 3 sessions. No post workout crash like Triple X.
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Agreed. CU is the best I have found in terms of there literally being zero crash which is yet another impressive attribute of the product.
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Anyone have thoughts on Pre-Kaged by Kaged muscle? It's been a while since I finished my tub but I was a big fan while using it. I haven't used any DMAA or DMHA pres tho
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I did not enjoy my experience with Pre-Kaged. The focus/energy was sub-par...not even the slightest hint if euphoria which makes sense when looking at the ingredients. Pump and endurance were not impressive for me either. I still have quite a bit left in the tub that I bought maybe a year ago if that tells you anything. I may as well just toss it at this point.
 
Ricky10 said:
Agreed. CU is the best I have found in terms of there literally being zero crash which is yet another impressive attribute of the product.

I did not enjoy my experience with Pre-Kaged. The focus/energy was sub-par...not even the slightest hint if euphoria which makes sense when looking at the ingredients. Pump and endurance were not impressive for me either. I still have quite a bit left in the tub that I bought maybe a year ago if that tells you anything. I may as well just toss it at this point.
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Ya I'm questioning how good it was now. It's probably been well over a year since I finished it. I'm wondering if it's one of those things that seems better but if I try it again it won't live up to my memories of it. My Conquer should hopefully arrive soon and I can't wait!

You can send the Pre-Kaged my way so I can find out lol
 
Ricky10 said:
Agreed. CU is the best I have found in terms of there literally being zero crash which is yet another impressive attribute of the product.

I did not enjoy my experience with Pre-Kaged. The focus/energy was sub-par...not even the slightest hint if euphoria which makes sense when looking at the ingredients. Pump and endurance were not impressive for me either. I still have quite a bit left in the tub that I bought maybe a year ago if that tells you anything. I may as well just toss it at this point.
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I tried several high stims pre workout and ended up crash like hell. I train at 8.30 a.m. to 9.30 a.m. Had my worst experience with Old Jack. Very intense focus and stim kick. The post workout crash made me unable to focus on my works. Cant even choke down my post workout meal.
 
JAMES1980 said:
I tried several high stims pre workout and ended up crash like hell. I train at 8.30 a.m. to 9.30 a.m. Had my worst experience with Old Jack. Very intense focus and stim kick. The post workout crash made me unable to focus on my works. Cant even choke down my post workout meal.
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I never tried any of the Jack products. It definitely is harder to eat post workout after consuming any stimmed PWO. However, I just read an article on here the other day that said the anabolic post-workout window is a myth. The important thing is just to focus on reaching your goal calories/macros per day..no matter when that may be.

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For my 2 cents..I love Wicked..haven't tried latest iteration of Prodigy but old formula was probably hardest hitting pre I'd tried
 
Oconns28 said:
Ya I'm questioning how good it was now. It's probably been well over a year since I finished it. I'm wondering if it's one of those things that seems better but if I try it again it won't live up to my memories of it. My Conquer should hopefully arrive soon and I can't wait!

You can send the Pre-Kaged my way so I can find out lol
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It will be a completely different experience for you. I would be shocked if you don't love it!
 
Has a company come out with a preworkout containing both dmaa and dmha? Somewhere around 100-150mgs of dmha and 37.5 - 50mgs of dmaa would be perfect. I do it now, I just don't know the dose of DMHA in Triple X. I mix it with the recently reformulated Dust. A half scoop of each. Good focus from the DMAA, but not too edgy. DMHA is better for mood. Add in caffeine anhydrous and some dicaffeine malate for teh win.:evil:
 
Ricky10 said:
Agreed. CU is the best I have found in terms of there literally being zero crash which is yet another impressive attribute of the product.

I did not enjoy my experience with Pre-Kaged. The focus/energy was sub-par...not even the slightest hint if euphoria which makes sense when looking at the ingredients. Pump and endurance were not impressive for me either. I still have quite a bit left in the tub that I bought maybe a year ago if that tells you anything. I may as well just toss it at this point.
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Same, I won a tub from kaged and after all the forum hype all the crap they put out on Instagram/Facebook I wasn't impressed at all, yet the kaged fan boys can't get enough of it and it's the be all and end all of preworkouts and there is no other fully dosed one in the whole world


I do enjoy SF CU/ignit3(3caps) or bloodshred raw
 
I'll fully admit when I used pre Kaged I enjoyed it but like I said that was a while ago now. I'm just scratching the surface of pwo's. First tub of conquer is on its way! Might make prekaged look like pre garbage
 
plang1234 said:
Has a company come out with a preworkout containing both dmaa and dmha? Somewhere around 100-150mgs of dmha and 37.5 - 50mgs of dmaa would be perfect. I do it now, I just don't know the dose of DMHA in Triple X. I mix it with the recently reformulated Dust. A half scoop of each. Good focus from the DMAA, but not too edgy. DMHA is better for mood. Add in caffeine anhydrous and some dicaffeine malate for teh win.:evil:
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Yes Riot by Chaos and Pain had 50mg of each, but i have to take 1.5 scoops of it to get 75mg each for it to be on same level as mesomorph or dust extreme.
 
The best pre workout I tried is Conquer Unleashed. And thats samples I got from OL. I think they are not the upgraded version, which would mean that the tube would be even better, in regards of energy/focus (J.Regia).
 
Pec.Major said:
The best pre workout I tried is Conquer Unleashed. And thats samples I got from OL. I think they are not the upgraded version, which would mean that the tube would be even better, in regards of energy/focus (J.Regia).
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So much love for Conquer! I can't wait for mine to arrive!!

What in the world is OL changing if Conquer was so good!!??
 
Used Dust Extreme on Saturday and it was much better than my Friday experience.

Went back to my 2 scoops of Prolific + 25mg ephedrine this morning and feel great. Not the rush I get from Dust Extreme on a good day at all, but substantially better than I felt on Friday at least LOL.
 
Oconns28 said:
So much love for Conquer! I can't wait for mine to arrive!!

What in the world is OL changing if Conquer was so good!!??
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I have not heard either way if they are going to be discontinuing CU when they come out with their new preworkout.

Would be interested to find out if they are still intending on offering both...

EDIT: They will not offer both...I think everyone else already knew that though :sly:
 
DEVANS89 said:
Same, I won a tub from kaged and after all the forum hype all the crap they put out on Instagram/Facebook I wasn't impressed at all, yet the kaged fan boys can't get enough of it and it's the be all and end all of preworkouts and there is no other fully dosed one in the whole world


I do enjoy SF CU/ignit3(3caps) or bloodshred raw
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Somebody sure likes a hearty dose of Yohimbe!
 
tried kraken watermellon rancher... first of all the names a fkn lie, it just tastes like your plain old artificial too sweet watermellon flavour.

Kraken is stronger than total war with double the DMHA + EJ doses, but this stronger just increases the euphoric/chill feeling. I really feel the dmha/EJ combo needs to be combined with an energetic stim (other than caff) for its real benefits. The euphoria makes you feel pretty zoned in but theres no real drive behind it like "get up and go" type thing.

Pump was very nice though will add. Veins popping out errywhere.
 
scump said:
tried kraken watermellon rancher... first of all the names a fkn lie, it just tastes like your plain old artificial too sweet watermellon flavour.

Kraken is stronger than total war with double the DMHA + EJ doses, but this stronger just increases the euphoric/chill feeling. I really feel the dmha/EJ combo needs to be combined with an energetic stim (other than caff) for its real benefits. The euphoria makes you feel pretty zoned in but theres no real drive behind it like "get up and go" type thing.

Pump was very nice though will add. Veins popping out errywhere.
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Ugh..I hate that chill feeling
 
scump said:
tried kraken watermellon rancher... first of all the names a fkn lie, it just tastes like your plain old artificial too sweet watermellon flavour.

Kraken is stronger than total war with double the DMHA + EJ doses, but this stronger just increases the euphoric/chill feeling. I really feel the dmha/EJ combo needs to be combined with an energetic stim (other than caff) for its real benefits. The euphoria makes you feel pretty zoned in but theres no real drive behind it like "get up and go" type thing.

Pump was very nice though will add. Veins popping out errywhere.
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Watermelon rancher was only pulled off by Scivation for OG Xtend...best tasting supp of all time. Then they decided to f up every flavor with the silver labels.
 
Ricky10 said:
I have not heard either way if they are going to be discontinuing CU when they come out with their new preworkout.

Would be interested to find out if they are still intending on offering both...
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I'm very interested to see the new OL pre. From the reviews I've read Conquer is such a good complete pre workout that I'm very curious which direction they will go. Unless they stay very similar with only subtle changes.

I can't wait to get my Conquer! I'm hoping today or tomorrow!
 
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