Donald Trump running for president

thebigt said:
there are many who work low paying jobs because that is all they are capable of doing, I give them a lot of credit for doing the best they can with what they have...you are blessed and have a bright future ahead of you, but what do we do with those who are not so blessed?
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Automatic tech is capable of simply giving people what they need, or at a very low cost. This of course depends on certain factors and powers but eventually it will happen.
 
ax1 said:
Automatic tech is capable of simply giving people what they need, or at a very low cost. This of course depends on certain factors and powers but eventually it will happen.
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lol...what they need is their job back....
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Nothing in particular, it's just that the part "People need to stop clinging to the past and slowing the rest of us down" reminded me of Nietzsche for some reason, haha.
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yup...there are going to be many who are left behind. kind of a cold hearted thing to say, imo.
 
thebigt said:
lol...what they need is their job back....
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Its going to be impossible to keep things the way they are. Hey Im scared of change myself, but things are really really going to change over the next couple of decades and people need to prepare and figure out how to adapt into it....but hopefully we can help people left behind as well and adapt education to prepare our youth to thrive in it.
 
ax1 said:
Its going to be impossible to keep things the way they are. Hey Im scared of change myself, but things are really really going to change over the next couple of decades and people need to prepare and figure out how to adapt into it....but hopefully we can help people left behind as well and adapt education to prepare our youth to thrive in it.
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I realize this, but I am not crusading for my own personal benefit, I will be fine....I am concerned for those who are not equipped for a changing world, what do we do with these people? there are many, many marginal people who are now working low paying jobs who won't have jobs-and it seems no one is concerned about this!!!
 
thebigt said:
there are many who work low paying jobs because that is all they are capable of doing, I give them a lot of credit for doing the best they can with what they have...you are blessed and have a bright future ahead of you, but what do we do with those who are not so blessed?
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There are always going to be those jobs in some form and there is nothing wrong with those jobs. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying they are bad jobs or looking down on anybody. However, I don't need 3 people just standing behind the counter at the burger place when I'm telling them literally what button to push and then have to swipe my own card and then have to come back because they got the order wrong. Even sticking with fast food as an example...with kiosks up front there still needs to be cooks and janitorial staff in the back.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Nothing in particular, it's just that the part "People need to stop clinging to the past and slowing the rest of us down" reminded me of Nietzsche for some reason, haha.
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Oh lol. I'm not very familiar with his stuff except for the few more famous quotes (i.e. staring into the abyss, etc.)
 
thebigt said:
I realize this, but I am not crusading for my own personal benefit, I will be fine....I am concerned for those who are not equipped for a changing world, what do we do with these people? there are many, many marginal people who are now working low paying jobs who won't have jobs-and it seems no one is concerned about this!!!
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Oh Im concerned...there are people concerned.

There are solutions for the future that have been presented such as changing the economy to a "Resource Based Economy" by Jacque Fresco....like I said before it will get to the point where they will just give people what they need.

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I think energies would be better use now to come up with the solutions than fighting to resist change so hard because as we both agree change is inevitable, but solutions are certainly possible and to make it even better than the way it is today.....should powers on top not be in our way of course. In the meantime I can understand why people want to protest against automation and minimum wages, until these solutions are on the plate people damn well have the right to fight for their survival :)
 
thebigt said:
yup...there are going to be many who are left behind. kind of a cold hearted thing to say, imo.
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Maybe I'm being very cold about this, but I'm not talking about people are physcially or mentally incapable of holding a job that is more complex. If Trump has his way there are about to be a whole lot of job slots available.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
There are always going to be those jobs in some form and there is nothing wrong with those jobs. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying they are bad jobs or looking down on anybody. However, I don't need 3 people just standing behind the counter at the burger place when I'm telling them literally what button to push and then have to swipe my own card and then have to come back because they got the order wrong. Even sticking with fast food as an example...with kiosks up front there still needs to be cooks and janitorial staff in the back.
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I would rather see those 3 people standing behind a counter, reporting to work and getting a paycheck than standing on a street corner with nothing to do....better start building more and bigger jails and prisons.

and yes, it does sound like you are looking down on them, sorry but it really does---at least to me....if I wanted to look down on anyone it would be those who are well paid and highly educated who waste most of the work day on the internet[not work related].....merely pointing out that you don't have to be a fast food worker to be non-productive in the work place, fast food workers are just more visible.
 
thebigt said:
are you in favor of higher unemployment, or would you rather see those people working?
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i am not in favor of higher unemployment. I would rather see people working.

The issue I have is competence and quality of work (service in this case). As a consumer I don't want to pay the rising costs (cost of services and good) and experience a decline in both.

We've all been to a place for dinner where the "waitor/waitress" was able to make mediocre food into a great experience by their competence. We've also been to places where a poor "waiter/waitress" was able to make high end food into a poor experience by their incompetence.

When the competence and qualifications of the service provider hinder my quality of goods and services I have issue with it. Simply because a person gains employment as a food server does not make them a good one.

We wouldn't tolerate that with our health care provider, our auto mechanic, our house painter or even child care givers. There are other jobs better suited for less of more competence and qualifications respectively.

 
David Dunn said:
i am not in favor of higher unemployment. I would rather see people working.

The issue I have is competence and quality of work (service in this case). As a consumer I don't want to pay the rising costs (cost of services and good) and experience a decline in both.

We've all been to a place for dinner where the "waitor/waitress" was able to make mediocre food into a great experience by their competence. We've also been to places where a poor "waiter/waitress" was able to make high end food into a poor experience by their incompetence.

When the competence and qualifications of the service provider hinder my quality of goods and services I have issue with it. Simply because a person gains employment as a food server does not make them a good one.

We wouldn't tolerate that with our health care provider, our auto mechanic, our house painter or even child care givers. There are other jobs better suited for less of more competence and qualifications respectively.

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I see incompetence in every line of work....look at how much redundancy there is in health care-you give all the info to the nurse when she/he takes your vitals and they write it down on your chart, then you see the doctor and he asks you the same questions, like he/she hasn't even read the chart. or you have acid reflux and the doctor prescribes high doses of advil.

how many have you had your vehicle worked on and 2 weeks later[or sooner] you come back...don't even get me started on plumbers and electricians!!!
 
thebigt said:
I would rather see those 3 people standing behind a counter, reporting to work and getting a paycheck than standing on a street corner with nothing to do....better start building more and bigger jails and prisons.

and yes, it does sound like you are looking down on them, sorry but it really does---at least to me....if I wanted to look down on anyone it would be those who are well paid and highly educated who waste most of the work day on the internet[not work related].....merely pointing out that you don't have to be a fast food worker to be non-productive in the work place, fast food workers are just more visible.
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So you want communism then?

As for me, I spent an extra 12 years in school after high school. My father was unemployed most of my life and my mother worked as a secretary. I took out school loans north of 100k so that I could achieve what I wanted to do. And after all of that, it's Saturday night and I'm sitting here doing work. So if I want to spend part of that time on the internet, that's my choice. And if a McJob is the only thing keeping somebody from robbing a bank, then guess what is eventually going to happen regardless if they get replaced with a computer?
 
IMO I do not think the world will change as much as you guys think it's going to. Hell we were supposed to have flying cars in 2000 then travel in tubes by 2007 or be terminated by 2016(sorry I had to I love Terminator). Yes things will change we will have less low level jobs but it won't be a drastic change.
 
rtmilburn said:
IMO I do not think the world will change as much as you guys think it's going to. Hell we were supposed to have flying cars in 2000 then travel in tubes by 2007 or be terminated by 2016(sorry I had to I love Terminator). Yes things will change we will have less low level jobs but it won't be a drastic change.
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The current work environment is not the same as it was 30 years ago. I don't get why bigt thinks that nobody is going to have a job to buy anything if it changes again. There will always be low level jobs; they just might be different from the ones currently available. People move and adapt.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
So you want communism then?

As for me, I spent an extra 12 years in school after high school. My father was unemployed most of my life and my mother worked as a secretary. I took out school loans north of 100k so that I could achieve what I wanted to do. And after all of that, it's Saturday night and I'm sitting here doing work. So if I want to spend part of that time on the internet, that's my choice. And if a McJob is the only thing keeping somebody from robbing a bank, then guess what is eventually going to happen regardless if they get replaced with a computer?
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ok, lets compare...I was born in 1958, my father was killed in a train wreck 8 months later-it was his fault, he was late for work and thought he could beat it...my mom raised me as a single mother at a time when the nuclear family was still intact, we lived a block from the biggest project in Indianapolis[brick city] in abject poverty-my mother and I received no government handouts. I got in lots of fights when I was a kid, life was tough not having a dad to back me up, but it made me strong!!!

I worked in the box factory business for nearly thirty years, starting when most of the work was physical labor. I worked my way up and by the time international paper closed down the plant I was working at I was capable of running every machine in the plant-which had all been automated and was very high tech-set up was all done by computer by that time, I learned by ON THE JOB TRAINING, a good majority of the work was robotic.

after my plant was closed down, I applied for unemployment, after 2 months I decided unemployment was not for me, so I sold out my 401k [at a heavy, heavy loss-this was in 2008] and paid heavy penalties..then I sold our house and moved to a smaller city. I used the money from my 401k and the proceeds from selling the house to invest in starting a landscaping/mowing/snow removal company, it was my entire life's savings....

so don't go bitching to me about your god damned loans!!!
 
thebigt said:
ok, lets compare...I was born in 1958, my father was killed in a train wreck 8 months later-it was his fault, he was late for work and thought he could beat it...my mom raised me as a single mother at a time when the nuclear family was still intact, we lived a block from the biggest project in Indianapolis[brick city] in abject poverty-my mother and I received no government handouts. I got in lots of fights when I was a kid, life was tough not having a dad to back me up, but it made me strong!!!

I worked in the box factory business for nearly thirty years, starting when most of the work was physical labor. I worked my way up and by the time international paper closed down the plant I was working at I was capable of running every machine in the plant-which had all been automated and was very high tech-set up was all done by computer by that time, I learned by ON THE JOB TRAINING, a good majority of the work was robotic.

after my plant was closed down, I applied for unemployment, after 2 months I decided unemployment was not for me, so I sold out my 401k [at a heavy, heavy loss-this was in 2008] and paid heavy penalties..then I sold our house and moved to a smaller city. I used the money from my 401k and the proceeds from selling the house to invest in starting a landscaping/mowing/snow removal company, it was my entire life's savings....

so don't go bitching to me about your god damned loans!!!
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Why are you taking what I am saying as a personal attack? I'm talking about the people in your situation who would have protested and demanded more money rather than do what you did which is ADAPT. But if you just want to keep slinging insults, find another ****ing target.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Why are you taking what I am saying as a personal attack? I'm talking about the people in your situation who would have protested and demanded more money rather than do what you did which is ADAPT. But if you just want to keep slinging insults, find another ****ing target.
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you call that a personal attack? good thing you didn't grow up in my neighborhood, lol.

actually I was merely pointing out that your college loans are small potato's compared to what some have endured....me-I've always had things tough, I learned to adapt in kindergarten....I consider myself a success story, but I will never forget how lucky I have been, and will always feel compassion for the large number of people that I grew up with who have not been so lucky/successful.
 
thebigt said:
ok, lets compare...I was born in 1958, my father was killed in a train wreck 8 months later-it was his fault, he was late for work and thought he could beat it...my mom raised me as a single mother at a time when the nuclear family was still intact, we lived a block from the biggest project in Indianapolis[brick city] in abject poverty-my mother and I received no government handouts. I got in lots of fights when I was a kid, life was tough not having a dad to back me up, but it made me strong!!!

I worked in the box factory business for nearly thirty years, starting when most of the work was physical labor. I worked my way up and by the time international paper closed down the plant I was working at I was capable of running every machine in the plant-which had all been automated and was very high tech-set up was all done by computer by that time, I learned by ON THE JOB TRAINING, a good majority of the work was robotic.

after my plant was closed down, I applied for unemployment, after 2 months I decided unemployment was not for me, so I sold out my 401k [at a heavy, heavy loss-this was in 2008] and paid heavy penalties..then I sold our house and moved to a smaller city. I used the money from my 401k and the proceeds from selling the house to invest in starting a landscaping/mowing/snow removal company, it was my entire life's savings....

so don't go bitching to me about your god damned loans!!!
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How is your landscaping business? I owned one for a long time and the money can be good but it's can also be a bitçh to get up and going. I personally fuking hated it. But I did do well. So I hope that it's treating you well
 
thebigt said:
you call that a personal attack? good thing you didn't grow up in my neighborhood, lol.

actually I was merely pointing out that your college loans are small potato's compared to what some have endured....me-I've always had things tough, I learned to adapt in kindergarten....I consider myself a success story, but I will never forget how lucky I have been, and will always feel compassion for the large number of people that I grew up with who have not been so lucky/successful.
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Whatever you say comrade
 
rtmilburn said:
How is your landscaping business? I owned one for a long time and the money can be good but it's can also be a bitçh to get up and going. I personally fuking hated it. But I did do well. So I hope that it's treating you well
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this is my 4th year, I broke even the 2nd year, since then I have learned the bidding game much better and got myself and 2 others certified to do weed spray application[here in Indiana you need to be licensed to do commercial weed spraying], lots of money in weed control. spent a fortune in plows/trucks/trailers/mowers/weed eaters/rakes and so forth....i pay more than most of my competitors and i have to bid a little more, it hurt me at 1st, but now the quality of work is getting known and there are more and more company's who are willing to pay more for quality work....it was a true gamble putting everything I own into it, but things are going nicely now and getting better each year.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Whatever you say comrade
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I will never forget where I come from!!!

I feel blessed to say that I have overcome poverty, drugs, and alcoholism...I will pray that you will open your heart and be more compassionate to those not so fortunate as you and I!!!
 
thebigt said:
this is my 4th year, I broke even the 2nd year, since then I have learned the bidding game much better and got myself and 2 others certified to do weed spray application[here in Indiana you need to be licensed to do commercial weed spraying], lots of money in weed control. spent a fortune in plows/trucks/trailers/mowers/weed eaters/rakes and so forth....i pay more than most of my competitors and i have to bid a little more, it hurt me at 1st, but now the quality of work is getting known and there are more and more company's who are willing to pay more for quality work....it was a true gamble putting everything I own into it, but things are going nicely now and getting better each year.
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That's exactly how I ran mine spend more for quality taking lower/no profits at first. But like you said the word will spread and in turn makes you more money.
 
rtmilburn said:
That's exactly how I ran mine spend more for quality taking lower/no profits at first. But like you said the word will spread and in turn makes you more money.
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yes, indeed...getting licenses for weed spraying has really paid off, they have been cracking down on company's with no licenses and I've been really cashing in-with as warm and wet[rain] as this winter has been it's going to be weed city, lol. hardly any investment in weed control-generic roundup is very cheap...much cheaper than buying salt for snow and ice.
 
thebigt said:
I will never forget where I come from!!!

I feel blessed to say that I have overcome poverty, drugs, and alcoholism...I will pray that you will open your heart and be more compassionate to those not so fortunate as you and I!!!
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Learn to read and stop accusing me of bull**** thanks!
 
BarrySoetoroCare's replacement plan is under 100 pages, half of it being repeal alone. Sounds better than 10,000+ pages that nobody read when passing it through that included non-health care issues such as student loans.

At least this bill is something I can actually read in its entirety in a sitting. Now lets see whats in it.
 
Here is the new BarrySoetorocare replacement

I need you guys to read this and post cliffs for me, busy with work. Work will be paid off with a nice gold star.

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ax1 said:
BarrySoetoroCare's replacement plan is under 100 pages, half of it being repeal alone. Sounds better than 10,000+ pages that nobody read when passing it through that included non-health care issues such as student loans.

At least this bill is something I can actually read in its entirety in a sitting. Now lets see whats in it.
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its sad when you have to ask your congressman/senator to actually read what they vote for/against. I'd love a copy.

Im considering getting a Twitter handle to start blowing up these guys accounts. ;)
 
In other news the CIA just got caught putting exploits and vulnerabilities in our tech including Apple devices and even Samsung Smart TV's....much more!

This "Year Zero" release is the first in the full Vault 7 series by Wikileaks, and is said to act as an introduction to the capacity and means of the CIA's covert hacking program. The agency's abilities can take aim at a number of popular consumer products from companies like Apple, Google, Samsung, and Microsoft, turning everything from an iPhone to a smart TV into a "covert microphone."

First link is directly from Wikileaks revealing the CIA's hacking tools, next two links are just tech sites covering the news.
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ax1 said:
Here is the new BarrySoetorocare replacement

I need you guys to read this and post cliffs for me, busy with work. Work will be paid off with a nice gold star.

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"The bill's dead. Too many conservative groups are coming out against it. There's no way they'll have the votes to pass it in its current form," a conservative House aide told CiaNN, in a sign of some lawmakers' desire to flex their muscles and make a hard push for changes to the bill.

Paul told CiaNN that the current bill would be "dead on arrival" in the House: "I don't think it's ever going to arrive in the Senate. I think it's dead on arrival in the House," he told CiaNN.

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ax1 said:
"The bill's dead. Too many conservative groups are coming out against it. There's no way they'll have the votes to pass it in its current form," a conservative House aide told CiaNN, in a sign of some lawmakers' desire to flex their muscles and make a hard push for changes to the bill.

Paul told CiaNN that the current bill would be "dead on arrival" in the House: "I don't think it's ever going to arrive in the Senate. I think it's dead on arrival in the House," he told CiaNN.

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I just heard Paul say this on CNN seconds before you posted. I have a Samsung TV. What do you think of my living room decor? :D
 
David Dunn said:
I just heard Paul say this on CNN seconds before you posted. I have a Samsung TV. What do you think of my living room decor? :D
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The "conspiracy tin foil hat" people been saying all this wikileak stuff for a few years now....at least we have it on paper now.

Did you know Verizon has a patent that detects you fornicating in the room and gets your cable box to start showing you condom commercials?
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ax1 said:
The "conspiracy tin foil hat" people been saying all this wikileak stuff for a few years now....at least we have it on paper now.

Did you know Verizon has a patent that detects you fornicating in the room and gets your cable box to start showing you condom commercials?
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i wasn't mocking. I'm confident that most is true.

I have a vasectomy... ;)

I imagine OnStar and all the new WiFi enabled vehicles are included. Not to mention the Google book or whatever little laptop my daughter was "required" to receive from her school...on my dime.
 
ax1 said:
"The bill's dead. Too many conservative groups are coming out against it. There's no way they'll have the votes to pass it in its current form," a conservative House aide told CiaNN, in a sign of some lawmakers' desire to flex their muscles and make a hard push for changes to the bill.

Paul told CiaNN that the current bill would be "dead on arrival" in the House: "I don't think it's ever going to arrive in the Senate. I think it's dead on arrival in the House," he told CiaNN.

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going to be a lot of changes made, but at least it's a start.
 
thebigt said:
going to be a lot of changes made, but at least it's a start.
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Unlike the sum 13,000 pages, I would guess you wouldnt need as many changes on a 66 page bill, lol. If this was a liberal bill they would throw in some stupid crap like no knives in parks or something or free Campbell soup for illegals, just show your obamaphone for ID.
 
ax1 said:
I was wondering, I used to be poor for years. I was around alot of poor people, many. I see alot of people spending the little money they have to buy the cable bill, or to buy the latest sneakers....they get a tax check and blow it on a video game system or hdtv....NOT all, no way am I saying that but just saying in society there is alot of screwed up people and I used to be one of them. Now, Im talking 80's to the day (me being a screw up is 90s-early 2000's) I see this. Was it as rampant back then in the 60s and 70s?
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I'm curious, how did you escape poverty? I'm genuinely curious.

The main reason people buy those things is appearances, man. Those are status items to take their mind off being poor. At least IMO.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'm curious, how did you escape poverty? I'm genuinely curious.

The main reason people buy those things is appearances, man. Those are status items to take their mind off being poor. At least IMO.
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lol...just like back in the day when welfare people lived in crappy houses but drove fancy cars, and wore designer clothes....the cars could be moved when the 'revenuer man' came around.
 
For years my mom bought me canvas Keds - NOT - ProKeds.

When I was 12 (1977) I was a paperboy delivering the NY Daily News. Leather Pumas were the status sneaker of the day. I saved up $60 (in 1977) and bought a pair myself!

Playing in the urban pkayground of Bklyn NY those ****ers didn't last more than 6?weeks. Last pair of status anything I ever bought... :D

I did by a leather "bomber jacket" just a year later... ;)
 
For years my mom bought me canvas Keds - NOT - ProKeds.

When I was 12 (1977) I was a paperboy delivering the NY Daily News. Leather Pumas were the status sneaker of the day. I saved up $60 (in 1977) and bought a pair myself!

Playing in the urban pkayground of Bklyn NY those ****ers didn't last more than 6?weeks. Last pair of status anything I ever bought... :D

I did by a leather "bomber jacket" just a year later... ;)

Edit: I lied. A also bought a bad ass "ghetto blaster" aka: boom box
 
David Dunn said:
For years my mom bought me canvas Keds - NOT - ProKeds.

When I was 12 (1977) I was a paperboy delivering the NY Daily News. Leather Pumas were the status sneaker of the day. I saved up $60 (in 1977) and bought a pair myself!

Playing in the urban pkayground of Bklyn NY those ****ers didn't last more than 6?weeks. Last pair of status anything I ever bought... :D

I did by a leather "bomber jacket" just a year later... ;)
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when I was 12 my mom bought me k-mart 'buddies' as we used to call them, and refused to spend the money to get me some 'cons' chuck taylor converse....so when I turned 13 I got me a paper route, saved up and bought my own.
 
about the new wikileaks drop....I don't care if you are republican or democrat, if you don't believe the government is spying on American citizens you are sadly mistaken...and have been for a long time...


are we supposed to trust the cia when they say anything based on their past history!!!
 
thebigt said:
when I was 12 my mom bought me k-mart 'buddies' as we used to call them, and refused to spend the money to get me some 'cons' chuck taylor converse....so when I turned 13 I got me a paper route, saved up and bought my own.
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That right! Correction - My would by us "cons" and NOT the Keds.
 
David Dunn said:
That right! Correction - My would by us "cons" and NOT the Keds.
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I got the red ones...thought I was cool as hell!!!

thankfully I got them before I started high school, wearing buddies was not cool, lol.


I don't care how poor you are, if you are a kid there are standards that have to be met, lol!!!

unfortunately kids don't have paper routes for spending money these days....might be a reason crime is so high among young people???
 
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