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Natural Anabolics, and those under 18.

Bro, lol. Look, getting into suppz is a slippery slope. It honestly is. For the most part itll burn holes in your pocket with little return. And youll be constantly looking to try this, then that, ad finitum.

Dont even look at supps til you earning good coin. Srs. Once you open that door...
 
Get 10 hrs of good sleep.
Your body is healing so rapidly with that much sleep you can workout moderately everyday
 
SlavicStrong said:
I know, many, if not most supplements are either ineffective, or complete crap. I know that there's an industry full of false claims, and lies, and have already realized that food is the best thing when it comes to muscle growth. I am 16 years old, and for a couple weeks now, I have been eating, eating, and training, and training. I feel like I have been eating more now than ever, and even get made fun of in school, (in a friendly manner) for how much I eat. I am 5'10, and the last time I got "officially" weighed, a week or two ago at the doctor, I was 200 pounds, however I track my weight at home using a scale I have. I feel like I am taking my training and weightlifting more seriously now than ever also, and have been making strength gains.

I have been researching natural anabolics for a while now, and it looks like these types of supplements, which are relatively new, have generally positive reviews. It's said that if you eat lot, natural anabolics will aid in muscle growth, and also limit the fat loss that comes with eating a lot of calories. I have been looking at Anabeta Elite, and Follidrone 2.0 as two potential supplements I am interested in. My overall question is if they are safe, and if they are effective for someone my age. As stated before, I know most supplements are absolutely worthless at my age, and those that do work, are usually not safe for my age.

It seems natural anabolics are safe, however I could be wrong, and before buying something that may or may not be safe for me, or effective, I decided I'd ask you veterans out there who are experienced with this stuff. I know you aren't supposed to recommend supplements to those under 18, but I'd prefer an honest answer, if you think I'm an idiot, then tell me. Anyways, your thoughts are appreciated.
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I'm 19 ATM and I'm trying or1gin and tbh it's helping me get those calories in with it's appetite increasing ingredients. So even if at the end of it all it doesn't give me extra muscle building or strength at least the appetite increase is nice because you get to enjoy eating food instead of force-feeding.
 
Dude. I remember those days. my 16-19 year old range was the best years. I was in the best shape of my life. Only stuff I took was a pre workout, and I only took it before I worked out. Some natty supps are awesome. Even at your age you may see some gains. Atleast more than what you are seeing now. But as Nac said, it is a slippery slope. You will start to lose motivation in your current workouts when you aren't taking any extra supps. Everything will be different. Its a placebo effect.
Don't do it.

Play sports, screw some girls, nail a teacher, have fun, and train hard. This is the best time for your body to grow and heal. Set some goals and try and reach them.

There is nothing wrong with natty supps and if you do take them for the most part you will be fine. But your pocket will begin to suffer. Id rather be spending my money at that age buying beer and other stuff than supps. Just sayin ;)
 
My appetite is fine, I eat like a horse as is, it's just it seems like there are generally positive reviews towards natural anabolics, and they seem to be aiding in what I'm looking for. I'm aware that supplements can mostly be scams, but to me it seems these might give me the extra "umpfh". Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead of myself, but I eat like a horse, get at least 8 hours of sleep, and I am getting stronger, and natural anabolics are something I've been looking at for a while now, and seem to match what I'm looking for in a supplement.
 
SlavicStrong said:
My appetite is fine, I eat like a horse as is, it's just it seems like there are generally positive reviews towards natural anabolics, and they seem to be aiding in what I'm looking for. I'm aware that supplements can mostly be scams, but to me it seems these might give me the extra "umpfh". Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead of myself, but I eat like a horse, get at least 8 hours of sleep, and I AM GETTING STRONGER, and natural anabolics are something I've been looking at for a while now, and seem to match what I'm looking for in a supplement.
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Don't need to fix what's not broken dude. At least wait till you hit a plateau.
 
I know you don't like to hear this, but we are trying to save you time and money. For now, I would focus on diet and training and if you want to add supplements into the mix, use the staples (pre workout, protein ...etc). Those 3 (mainly the first 2) will take you a long way. Especially at your age. If you need help on deciding what staples to take I am more than happy to lead you in the right direction. A few websites have great deals right now as well.

I would also like to set up a training routine for you as well as diet.
 
R1balla said:
I know you don't like to hear this, but we are trying to save you time and money. For now, I would focus on diet and training and if you want to add supplements into the mix, use the staples (pre workout, protein ...etc). Those 3 (mainly the first 2) will take you a long way. Especially at your age. If you need help on deciding what staples to take I am more than happy to lead you in the right direction. A few websites have great deals right now as well.

I would also like to set up a training routine for you as well as diet.
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I use a multivitamin, krill oil, creatine and plant based protein powder. I've already discovered for myself the power of food, and I take my diet seriously. I'm just interested, with all the buzz about natural anabolics, what it can do for me. I haven't bought a new supplement in months, nor gotten into any hype, and I've just been researching natural anabolics for around a month now.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I use a multivitamin, krill oil, creatine and plant based protein powder. I've already discovered for myself the power of food, and I take my diet seriously. I'm just interested, with all the buzz about natural anabolics, what it can do for me. I haven't bought a new supplement in months, nor gotten into any hype, and I've just been researching natural anabolics for around a month now.
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We all have been in your shoes before. But I still suggest to stay away for a bit. That's just my opinion. You can take other things like whey protein, pre workout, creatine, pump products, bcaa/inta workout but nothing will provide results like a dialed in diet and training program.
 
R1balla said:
We all have been in your shoes before. But I still suggest to stay away for a bit. That's just my opinion. You can take other things like whey protein, pre workout, creatine, pump products, bcaa/inta workout but nothing will provide results like a dialed in diet and training program.
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It's not that I'm not seeing results, it's just that I'm looking for an extra push/edge if you get what I mean.
 
SlavicStrong said:
It's not that I'm not seeing results, it's just that I'm looking for an extra push/edge if you get what I mean.
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I completely understand. Which is why so many teens jump into pro hormones and end up on TRT at age 25.

At least you are choosing the safer route if you decide to get something. I can't make decisions for you, but I don't want you to waste your money on a bunk product. The products you listed are great and yield solid results. Other products to consider that are widely used include X gels (ArA) and AlphaMax XT.
 
Have you only been training for a couple weeks overall? 5'10" and 200lbs for someone just starting out, you should not be eating like a horse.
 
SlavicStrong said:
It's not that I'm not seeing results, it's just that I'm looking for an extra push/edge if you get what I mean.
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That's the thing... I don't really know what you mean by extra push/edge. Can you explain further? Are you looking for something that increases energy? Increases or decreases appetite? Improves recovery? Improves sleep? Improves endurance?

There are natural supplements that can help with those things, but there are no natural supplements that are going to directly add muscle or strength. So, you'll have to be a little clearer about what you mean about push/edge.
 
210LBS said:
That's the thing... I don't really know what you mean by extra push/edge. Can you explain further? Are you looking for something that increases energy? Increases or decreases appetite? Improves recovery? Improves sleep? Improves endurance?

There are natural supplements that can help with those things, but there are no natural supplements that are going to directly add muscle or strength. So, you'll have to be a little clearer about what you mean about push/edge.
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I can't speak for him, but I know when I'm not having good motivation it almost always kicks me back into gear if I start running something new. Just the fact that I spent money on it makes me work much harder. I don't expect much more than that from natural supplements.
 
rascal14 said:
I can't speak for him, but I know when I'm not having good motivation it almost always kicks me back into gear if I start running something new. Just the fact that I spent money on it makes me work much harder. I don't expect much more than that from natural supplements.
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Exactly. This is what I think OP is trying to say. The fact that you are taking something sometimes can give you almost a placebo effect and make you want to work harder. Which is why results can be misleading sometimes. When researching a product it's always best to look for proven ingredients and try to find logs on it by reputable forum users and see what they have to say about it.
 
SlavicStrong said:
My appetite is fine, as I said I eat like a horse as is, I've gained nearly 50 pounds so far, obviously not pure muscle, but I'd say I've gained much more muscle than fat in under a year of training, my recovery is good, sleep is great, I'm seeing my lifts go up, overall I'd say I'm doing successful right now. Many people who took natural anabolics reported increased strength, and increases in muscle growth, with low fat gain as well. If this is true, for a natural supplement, it seems like a great thing to try out. I know it's not going to make me chiseled, or have the strength of a world class powerlifter, but I fee like since I'm doing well right now, it might now hurt to try something that could make my performance a bit better, since I have my diet and training in check. Also, rascal14, my motivation isn't at fault also, in-fact yesterday I had the greatest motivation upon entering the gym, and was actually really pumped to start my workout.
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Yeah but most people who report all these great results are usually experiencing a placebo effect. They want it to work so they are consistent with their diet and training while on it, however it was them all along that made the progress. If you are set on it you can try almost natural anabolic you want in my opinion as I don't think any really have any side effects. Personally, I haven't even tried any of the new ones because I don't believe they work.
 
More quality sleep = Magic Pill for recovery, especially when you are very young. If you cannot get to sleep, natural sleep aids. You have all the rest you need in your body already at that age, and then there's food. Haha. Enjoy quality foods.
 
justhere4comm said:
More quality sleep = Magic Pill for recovery, especially when you are very young. If you cannot get to sleep, natural sleep aids. You have all the rest you need in your body already at that age, and then there's food. Haha. Enjoy quality foods.
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Lately I've been increasing my food intake, just because I've noticed my hunger go up, I pack around 1000 calories in "snacks" at school in the form of sandwiches, aside from the regular lunch I eat there. I'm basically eating all day, lol.
 
SlavicStrong said:
Lately I've been increasing my food intake, just because I've noticed my hunger go up, I pack around 1000 calories in "snacks" at school in the form of sandwiches, aside from the regular lunch I eat there. I'm basically eating all day, lol.
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No refined flours or sugars. (If you have not eliminated them already)
Just eliminate those two things from your life for 1 month and you will see some major changes in how you feel; sleep, and look.

Your gut health is a key component to your cells getting the proper nutrients you are putting into your eating efforts.
Let me know how it goes when and if you do this.
 
justhere4comm said:
No refined flours or sugars. (If you have not eliminated them already)
Just eliminate those two things from your life for 1 month and you will see some major changes in how you feel; sleep, and look.

Your gut health is a key component to your cells getting the proper nutrients you are putting into your eating efforts.
Let me know how it goes when and if you do this.
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Would refined flours be like white bread? I use whole grain and other breads, just because I don't like the taste of white bread, and I've heard it's unhealthy.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I'll check them out, but back onto the topic of natural anabolics?
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I'm not sure what you want to know? I don't think there are any side effects so they are probably all safe. Epicatechin has been shown to lower blood pressure, so I'm actually considering using it in combination with some stimulants on a cut. But as far as strength and muscle mass is concerned, I don't think you're going to get an edge from using natural anabolics. I'm not really sure what to tell you.
 
210LBS said:
I'm not sure what you want to know? I don't think there are any side effects so they are probably all safe. Epicatechin has been shown to lower blood pressure, so I'm actually considering using it in combination with some stimulants on a cut. But as far as strength and muscle mass is concerned, I don't think you're going to get an edge from using natural anabolics. I'm not really sure what to tell you.
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I'm just interested in seeing what they can do for me, especially when it's rumored that they really help when you eat a lot, which is what I do currently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, I just want to know if you think it's worth a try.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I'm just interested in seeing what they can do for me, especially when it's rumored that they really help when you eat a lot, which is what I do currently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, I just want to know if you think it's worth a try.
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I don't want to say that they "don't work" because they can have benefits to them, just like zinc, vitamin c, vitamin d, etc. have benefits. Personally, I would never use them to increase strength or muscle. However, epicatechin has been shown to lower BP and some users have reported increased endurance. If that is something that is appealing to you then I would say give it a shot.
 
210LBS said:
I don't want to say that they "don't work" because they can have benefits to them, just like zinc, vitamin c, vitamin d, etc. have benefits. Personally, I would never use them to increase strength or muscle. However, epicatechin has been shown to lower BP and some users have reported increased endurance. If that is something that is appealing to you then I would say give it a shot.
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If I could push my muscles more than I usually could, whether it be endurance wise, it would help with growth and strength somewhat.
 
Sounds like your on most of the safe stuff.
Obviously people aren't saying what you want to hear.
If you gained 50lbs in a year just with protein and creatine you could have a career in fitness for sure.
200lb is a big ass 16 year old.
How much do you squat deadlift and bench?
What state do you've in.
 
SlavicStrong said:
If I could push my muscles more than I usually could, whether it be endurance wise, it would help with growth and strength somewhat.
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It could. And that's the idea behind supplements. Nothing is going to give you direct gains like steroids, but they may improve endurance, energy, libido, appetite, etc. which could improve workouts, sleep, eating, etc., which could then in turn lead to more strength and muscle.
 
Also there are guys that shoot 1000mg a week trying to get to your weight.
So if your not just a fat kid then you should consider really training. Talk to a couch.
If you live in the Sacramento are message me, you might be a powerlifter kid.
 
Cgkone said:
Sounds like your on most of the safe stuff.
Obviously people aren't saying what you want to hear.
If you gained 50lbs in a year just with protein and creatine you could have a career in fitness for sure.
200mg is a big ass 16 year old.
How much do you squat deadlift and bench?
What state do you've in.
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My last max was 235 for bench, however it should be around 250 now. My goal is to do 225 for 8 by June, and I benched 205 for 7 my last w/o. My deadlift isn't good, I haven't deadlifted in a while, I am getting back into it. I also haven't done max squat, but I'm sure it's in the high 200s or low 300s.
 
SlavicStrong said:
My last max was 235 for bench, however it should be around 250 now. My goal is to do 225 for 8 by June, and I benched 205 for 7 my last w/o. My deadlift isn't good, I haven't deadlifted in a while, I am getting back into it. I also haven't done max squat, but I'm sure it's in the high 200s or low 300s.
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So.....and this is my opinion.....eating over took strength.
Just train train train.
Progressively overload the weight.
You should focus around the big three bench dead squat.
Get a program and run the **** out of it.
Workout 6days a weeks and sleep 10hrs at night.
Get it so if you miss a workout you feel like your shrinking.
Get addicted to driving iron!!
Watch Mark bell, ct fletcher, Mike ohearn, strength cartel videos.
Run a program and run it right. Don't try to modify or adjust it.
So that for a year or 2 and your gunna have a great base that will allow you to change your body drastically.
If your more body building goal orientated.
Check that diet. Maybe you need to be 180lb with less fat
But honestly natty stacks need test boosters and fat burners to really work well.
 
Youre 16 ffs, if youre making progress WHICH YOU SHOULD BE, taking some herbal extracts aint gonna do diddly, its not gonna suddenly catapault your current progression

Go take a girl to the movies and eat some dark chocolate with her
 
Nac said:
Youre 16 ffs, if youre making progress WHICH YOU SHOULD BE, taking some herbal extracts aint gonna do diddly, its not gonna suddenly catapault your current progression

Go take a girl to the movies and eat some dark chocolate with her
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I don't expect it to catapult my strength or muscle, as I said before, I'm curious what it can do for me with a good diet and proper training.
 
SlavicStrong said:
I'm curious what it can do for me with a good diet and proper training.
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Diddly, is my prediction. But like curiosity, placebo can be a powerful psychological propellant.

If youre currently making progress, herbal extracts are extremely unlikely to add anything noticeable to that.
 
Sorry but slavicstrong has started two or three other threads with the same questions and got the same answers. At 16 nothing is going to help more then what's already been said. Eat sleep and train. End of story.
 
stock28 said:
Sorry but slavicstrong has started two or three other threads with the same questions and got the same answers. At 16 nothing is going to help more then what's already been said. Eat sleep and train. End of story.
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A big reason why I am looking at natural anabolics, is the possible benefit of not gaining too much fat while using them. I think it would be great if I could eat the way I eat now, get stronger and bigger, and not have to worry about fat increase due to the amount of calories I consume. I am eating clean, most sugars and sweets out of my diet, and I'm not worrying too much about fat, because my body still uses a lot of calories to grow as a teen, but It would be good if there was a supplement that would aid in this.
 
Well the body doesn't work that way. If your gaining too much fat you're consuming too many calories. At 16 no natural anabolic is going to do anything for you just as everyone else has told you. It's not a sprint it's a marathon. You asked about test boosters months ago and we all told you it would do nothing for you. You have years to do this the right way. Relax and enjoy the ride. Ten years down the road if your still in this it may be time to look at something a bit more.
 
SlavicStrong said:
A big reason why I am looking at natural anabolics, is the possible benefit of not gaining too much fat while using them. I think it would be great if I could eat the way I eat now, get stronger and bigger, and not have to worry about fat increase due to the amount of calories I consume. I am eating clean, most sugars and sweets out of my diet, and I'm not worrying too much about fat, because my body still uses a lot of calories to grow as a teen, but It would be good if there was a supplement that would aid in this.
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Yeah unfortunately there is no such supplement for that.. it would be awesome if there was though!!! The only way you can minimize fat gain is to change diet and/or cardio.
 
Apparently some natural anabolics "use calories more efficiently", to limit fat gain, however how true that is, is a mystery as far as I'm concerned. And yeah, about the test boosters thing, thinking back about that, I can't believe how stupid I was for even considering them, however I'm happy I learned, I'm more than happy with the advice I get here on AM. Anyways, I'm just considering my supplement options, and I'm happy I can ask a question, and get multiple opinions about it.
 
Let's get you on some solid staple supplements and set you up with a nice workout routine. We all can chime in on those two topics for you and you can decide what you like best. Follow what we say for 4 weeks and report back. Let's get started with training. What is your currently workout routine? How often do you want to lift and how often are you able to lift?

I know you want to take a supplement because you feel it will help you. There will be a time and place for that. But just trust us with what we are saying.
 
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