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Tomatidine (potent natural anabolic?)

Danes said:
4 caps of HH6 (the recommended dose)is 500mg of UA+CD.
So actually we dont know how much UA it actually is :)

I would also like to try high dose of UA complexed with CD. I do believe it would give synergic effect with Tomatidine
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I really really agree with this.
This is sooo much fun....the possibilities!
 
Danes said:
4 caps of HH6 (the recommended dose)is 500mg of UA+CD.
So actually we dont know how much UA it actually is :)

I would also like to try high dose of UA complexed with CD. I do believe it would give synergic effect with Tomatidine
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Your right! Idk why I though it was 500
 
AdelV said:
Why is too much Shilajit bad? I took 1 gram before bed yesterday and my pee was dark yellow the following morning. I never realised this? 250mg max per day? Thank you.
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Two reasons come to mind:

First is that shilajit is a rich source of minerals. Common ones, like magnesium and calcium, but also trace minerals like manganese and chromium. The latter are likely beneficial when taken in small quantities, but may be harmful in excess. (For some definitions of "harmful.")

Second, fulvic acid, which is what we standardize to, can deplete the body of selenium. This is not a terribly great concern, as shilajit actually contains quite a lot of selenium, but... best not to overdo it.

I think that 600mg/day is a reasonable upper limit. Of course, this is not set in stone, as there's a lot of batch variation in shilajit. But, overall, if you stick to 600mg/day or less, the effects of shilajit supplementation should be net-positive on the whole.
 
Zariph said:
Maaan, I wanted to order some titan today..price is 79£ in eu ;o
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PM me and I will send you some info about shipping :) that method is effective way to get parcels thru customs :) even norwegian customs which are extremely picky use to send it to me ;)
 
JakeAntaeus said:
Yes, absolutely. :)
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JakeAntaeus what do think of using Arginine Ursolic Acetate in a liposome?? Do you think you would ever use it? Even if you don't ever end up using it what is you thoughts on that?
Danes also like we're thoughts as well.

I would image it would increase the strength of UA. As it would significantly increase solubility both before and after absorption which should increase its potency. Using a liposome should take care any absorption issues (maybe not fully but significantly help) while also protecting the molecule from stomach acid(idk if UA has this issue but with a lot of are supps are effected by pH of the stomach which either destroys it or changes it to something else).
 
rtmilburn said:
JakeAntaeus what do think of using Arginine Ursolic Acetate in a liposome?? Do you think you would ever use it? Even if you don't ever end up using it what is you thoughts on that?
Danes also like we're thoughts as well.

I would image it would increase the strength of UA. As it would significantly increase solubility both before and after absorption which should increase its potency. Using a liposome should take care any absorption issues (maybe not fully but significantly help) while also protecting the molecule from stomach acid(idk if UA has this issue but with a lot of are supps are effected by pH of the stomach which either destroys it or changes it to something else).
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Your idea is very good and I do believe liposomal delivery would definitely "protect" the compound. But It is also very expensive too. So I am not sure if its cost effective at all.

According to russian study, I know CD does increase solubility, absorption and adsorption to Ecdysterone. It may have similar effect with UA too.
 
EricMarchewitz said:
Absolutely the quality was good. We tested it ourselves.
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Good. It must be tested.
I have tested ecdysteroids in past. Even those which was claimed to be 98% HPLC.
many of those didnt have even a trace of a ecdysteroid.
Experienced with other compounds too
 
Danes said:
Your idea is very good and I do believe liposomal delivery would definitely "protect" the compound. But It is also very expensive too. So I am not sure if its cost effective at all.

According to russian study, I know CD does increase solubility, absorption and adsorption to Ecdysterone. It may have similar effect with UA too.
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Ya it will do both for sure but I'm considering its solubility after absorption when the cyclodextrin is cleaved off the molecule. Leaving pure UA which has very little solubility in both water and fat. So in are bloods stream. In theory increasing its solubility by making it Arginine Ursolic Acetate and increasing absorption with a cyclodextrin or liposome would significantly increase its potency
 
rtmilburn said:
Ya it will do both for sure but I'm considering its solubility after absorption when the cyclodextrin is cleaved off the molecule. Leaving pure UA which has very little solubility in both water and fat. So in are bloods stream. In theory increasing its solubility by making it Arginine Ursolic Acetate and increasing absorption with a cyclodextrin or liposome would significantly increase its potency
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For sure!
 
PA had arginine ursolic gel caps at one point and they were tits. But for everyone wanting Arginine Ursolic Acid should just buy the UR-Spray. You can stack it with the hh6
 
A question for Jake.

I just ordered some more Titan and HH6 through your web site. I ordered 2 bottles of Titan and 1 bottle of HH6. Now since there is a special on right now of buy 2 bottles of Titan and get 1 bottle of HH6 free. I assume I will get 2 bottles of HH6. I only ask because it wasn't indicated when I made the order.

I'm very impressed with the results I have had using these products together. I am 2 weeks away from finishing my 2nd bottle of both products (4 weeks in). I have been dosing 1.5 times the amount. so 2 tablets of HH6 3 times a day and 1 tablet of Titan also 3 times a day. Strength increases have been significant for me. I haven't taken any other product that has been this impressive. Thus the reason why I am buying more.
 
Decided to give HH6 a try before Titan. Just picked up 3 bottles. Hopin it'll help me with a bit of recomp before summer
 
Calroid said:
A question for Jake.

I just ordered some more Titan and HH6 through your web site. I ordered 2 bottles of Titan and 1 bottle of HH6. Now since there is a special on right now of buy 2 bottles of Titan and get 1 bottle of HH6 free. I assume I will get 2 bottles of HH6. I only ask because it wasn't indicated when I made the order.
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Yeah, you're definitely getting 2 units of HH6 with that order. Thank you!
 
rtmilburn said:
JakeAntaeus what do think of using Arginine Ursolic Acetate in a liposome?? Do you think you would ever use it? Even if you don't ever end up using it what is you thoughts on that?
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Liposomes always require lots of phospholipid -- and in fact, to ensure good results, a great excess of phospholipid often needs to be used. It's also an expensive process, and one that generally results in liquid formulations. Unless the potential for bioavailability enhancement is truly extraordinary, I don't think that liposomal formulations are worth the added expensive, as a rule. In this particular case, any potential gains would likely be mild, and, as a commercial product, it wouldn't be feasible.

UA products are a tough sell these days, in general.

I'll see what I can do about offering a standalone cyclo-UA or arginine ursolic acetate product, though. If it looks worthwhile, I'll add it to the list. (Though, admittedly, it's quite a long list already! Lots of cool stuff in the works!)
 
JakeAntaeus said:
Liposomes always require lots of phospholipid -- and in fact, to ensure good results, a great excess of phospholipid often needs to be used. It's also an expensive process, and one that generally results in liquid formulations. Unless the potential for bioavailability enhancement is truly extraordinary, I don't think that liposomal formulations are worth the added expensive, as a rule. In this particular case, any potential gains would likely be mild, and, as a commercial product, it wouldn't be feasible.

UA products are a tough sell these days, in general.

I'll see what I can do about offering a standalone cyclo-UA or arginine ursolic acetate product, though. If it looks worthwhile, I'll add it to the list. (Though, admittedly, it's quite a long list already! Lots of cool stuff in the works!)
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I do totaly agree liposomal method is expencive and it would not be cost effective either.

Cant wait to see what Uncle Jake has on the meny ;)
 
JakeAntaeus said:
Liposomes always require lots of phospholipid -- and in fact, to ensure good results, a great excess of phospholipid often needs to be used. It's also an expensive process, and one that generally results in liquid formulations. Unless the potential for bioavailability enhancement is truly extraordinary, I don't think that liposomal formulations are worth the added expensive, as a rule. In this particular case, any potential gains would likely be mild, and, as a commercial product, it wouldn't be feasible.

UA products are a tough sell these days, in general.

I'll see what I can do about offering a standalone cyclo-UA or arginine ursolic acetate product, though. If it looks worthwhile, I'll add it to the list. (Though, admittedly, it's quite a long list already! Lots of cool stuff in the works!)
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What will be the next from Antaeus?
What happened to Antaeus Reps ? Seems like no one is around..
 
Danes said:
Your idea is very good and I do believe liposomal delivery would definitely "protect" the compound. But It is also very expensive too. So I am not sure if its cost effective at all.

According to russian study, I know CD does increase solubility, absorption and adsorption to Ecdysterone. It may have similar effect with UA too.
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So that is something that is very interesting to me....because I don't think the absorption of Ecdy (even Turkesterone) is very good...but I keep reading about the potential of these things. I'm curious about the concept of applying Antaeus's cycldextrin or Shilajit complexing methods to make these more bioavailable?

More on shilajit: I had NEVER heard of this stuff before Titan came out and the follow on discussions on this board. It made me research it much more. Other than the heavy metals concern, the good thing about fulvic acid seems to be its ability to make EVERYTHING more bioavailable. I'm wondering....could some of the results we are seeing with Titan and HH6 also be due to the fact that the shilajit might be making everything else we take in (food, supplements (like protein powders, etc) more bioavailable? If our nutrients are getting to our cells more efficiently, I can see how this could result in better strength, growth, etc.

Probably a really dumb question.
 
JakeAntaeus said:
Liposomes always require lots of phospholipid -- and in fact, to ensure good results, a great excess of phospholipid often needs to be used. It's also an expensive process, and one that generally results in liquid formulations. Unless the potential for bioavailability enhancement is truly extraordinary, I don't think that liposomal formulations are worth the added expensive, as a rule. In this particular case, any potential gains would likely be mild, and, as a commercial product, it wouldn't be feasible.

UA products are a tough sell these days, in general.

I'll see what I can do about offering a standalone cyclo-UA or arginine ursolic acetate product, though. If it looks worthwhile, I'll add it to the list. (Though, admittedly, it's quite a long list already! Lots of cool stuff in the works!)
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just replying with interest in UA, i dont do topicals so HH6 is my only option (from companies i would buy from at least), luckily you guys do cool stuff and ordered 3 for future use but would love to run more stand a lone absorption enhanced UA at high dose along with it.
 
Experimenter said:
So that is something that is very interesting to me....because I don't think the absorption of Ecdy (even Turkesterone) is very good...but I keep reading about the potential of these things. I'm curious about the concept of applying Antaeus's cycldextrin or Shilajit complexing methods to make these more bioavailable?

More on shilajit: I had NEVER heard of this stuff before Titan came out and the follow on discussions on this board. It made me research it much more. Other than the heavy metals concern, the good thing about fulvic acid seems to be its ability to make EVERYTHING more bioavailable. I'm wondering....could some of the results we are seeing with Titan and HH6 also be due to the fact that the shilajit might be making everything else we take in (food, supplements (like protein powders, etc) more bioavailable? If our nutrients are getting to our cells more efficiently, I can see how this could result in better strength, growth, etc.

Probably a really dumb question.
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You can use the LG Mesobolin 250. It has ecdy and turkesterone in a liposomal complex. Made by Hi-Tech.
 
EricMarchewitz said:
You can use the LG Mesobolin 250. It has ecdy and turkesterone in a liposomal complex. Made by Hi-Tech.
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No thanks.
1. Their Cyclosome method is nothing than fake.
2. They use low quality raws.
-Ajuga Turkestanica. "Our raw material supplier ICPE" what is ICPE? Haha pathetic!i even said to Hi-Tech Rep its not ICPE but ICPS. But I do get the point. Since they dont get their raws from ICPS, they just write ICPE so it sounds like ICPS.

-Rhaponticum Carthamoides (100:1)
What the H... is that? There is nothing called RCE (100:1).
Those numbers are just made up and plants containing ecdysteroids are measured by standardization of Ecdysteroids.
 
Experimenter said:
So that is something that is very interesting to me....because I don't think the absorption of Ecdy (even Turkesterone) is very good...but I keep reading about the potential of these things. I'm curious about the concept of applying Antaeus's cycldextrin or Shilajit complexing methods to make these more bioavailable?

More on shilajit: I had NEVER heard of this stuff before Titan came out and the follow on discussions on this board. It made me research it much more. Other than the heavy metals concern, the good thing about fulvic acid seems to be its ability to make EVERYTHING more bioavailable. I'm wondering....could some of the results we are seeing with Titan and HH6 also be due to the fact that the shilajit might be making everything else we take in (food, supplements (like protein powders, etc) more bioavailable? If our nutrients are getting to our cells more efficiently, I can see how this could result in better strength, growth, etc.

Probably a really dumb question.
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I have used Primavie which is high quality shilajit and didnt experienced 10% of what I experienced with Titan/HH6 stack.

Shilajit is good for ATP production, boosting/maintaining N.O levels, good for blood circulation ++.
 
Danes said:
I have used Primavie which is high quality shilajit and didnt experienced 10% of what I experienced with Titan/HH6 stack.

Shilajit is good for ATP production, boosting/maintaining N.O levels, good for blood circulation ++.
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Danes, this is exactly the data I needed to hear. Thanks for this.
 
Well, after seeing Danes experience with the HH6 and Titan stack, I figured I'd give it a try. I had been using Titan for one month already with negligible results. Currently at 6 weeks on titan, and 2 weeks with the HH6 added. The HH6 has definitely made a difference. Very noticeable muscle fullness. I feel full and pumped all day. No changes in bodyweight yet, but definitely looking bigger. Tearing it up at the gym too. Currently dosing per the recommendations on the bottle. Thinking of bumping the HH6 up to 6 caps a day shortly. So far quite happy with the combo. To be fair I haven't run the HH6 solo, so I'm not sure how much of the results are attributable to the combo, or just the HH6.
 
A week into Hydra Head 6 and I'm in a large deficit, yet I feel constantly pumped. Which is weird, because I train fasted and I literally do triples and doubles on compound lifts for my training.
 
ma70 said:
A week into Hydra Head 6 and I'm in a large deficit, yet I feel constantly pumped. Which is weird, because I train fasted and I literally do triples and doubles on compound lifts for my training.
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HH6 solo ? Sounds like effects of UA cyclo
 
Alex281 said:
HH6 solo ? Sounds like effects of UA cyclo
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I am logging it as we speak. Completely solo. When I try new interesting compounds/supplements, I don't stack. It's a waste of time because you can never really tell if it is working, but just my opinion.
 
ma70 said:
I am logging it as we speak. Completely solo. When I try new interesting compounds/supplements, I don't stack. It's a waste of time because you can never really tell if it is working, but just my opinion.
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Nonsense. You should stack it with 18 other supplements you've never tried, change your routine and your diet, and confidently declare which supplement is working and how.
 
Woody said:
Nonsense. You should stack it with 18 other supplements you've never tried, change your routine and your diet, and confidently declare which supplement is working and how.
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Haha sounds like a goooood idea ;)
 
ma70 said:
I am logging it as we speak. Completely solo. When I try new interesting compounds/supplements, I don't stack. It's a waste of time because you can never really tell if it is working, but just my opinion.
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Yeah, great idea. Will join your log.
 
Alex281 said:
Yeah, great idea. Will join your log.
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The log isn't anything fancy, and that's mostly because I'm logging it on my own time. I just keep it simple. I either think its trash or its worth using in the future. Right now is too early to tell, but I am noticing strange phenomenon which make me believe that it is doing "something". We will see after my cut if I have lost muscle. Just going to rate it based on my strength to LBM ratio towards the end.
 
Danes said:
Well, I will just be 100% honest :)
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psssst- if its really good, let me know before you give the result. i can buy stock in the company
 
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