Nicotine Gum-may help you.

allbrawn

allbrawn

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Been strategically taking one piece of 2mg nicotine gum.
I've noticed increased focus, energy, appetite suppression, and also a better mood.
Not going to take more than one piece a day and will also cycle just to ensure I avoid reliance.

Anyone have thoughts or experience with using this stim (with a clean delivery system, not through smoking)
 
Been thinking of starting to use too. Never smoked and hate smokers but nicotine was supposed to be an awesome nootropic.
 
As a former "Can A Day" Copenhagen user - no thanks :D Know the research, yeah it works, not going to risk it. Matt Porter just had a blog post about it. Use Google, as I don't think the link would be allowed.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
As a former "Can A Day" Copenhagen user - no thanks :D Know the research, yeah it works, not going to risk it. Matt Porter just had a blog post about it. Use Google, as I don't think the link would be allowed.
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Seems safe enough to me via gum/patch. Heck, the Japanese put it in their energy drinks and they're a lot smarter than us.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Im sure it is to some extent, hell someone can get addicted to eating carrots. Comparing nicotine gum to alcohol is apples and oranges.
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Nicotine and Alcohol Apples and Oranges? Ok... You ever been addicted to either?

I'm not saying one tab of gum will send you over the edge - I'm saying as a former Dip addict, *I'm* not going to use it.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Nicotine and Alcohol Apples and Oranges? Ok... You ever been addicted to either?

I'm not saying one tab of gum will send you over the edge - I'm saying as a former Dip addict, *I'm* not going to use it.
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Im glad you are ok... a fairer comparison would be nicotine and caffeine.

You were addicted cigarettes? Little bit different inhaling a cocktail of chemicals, including nicotine vs chewing nicotine gum. Anyways i can see you are set arguing your point of view. Show me how im wrong.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Im glad you are ok... a fairer comparison would be nicotine and caffeine.

You were addicted cigarettes? Little bit different inhaling a cocktail of chemicals, including nicotine vs chewing nicotine gum. Anyways i can see you are set arguing your point of view. Show me how im wrong.
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No, chewing tobacco. While there are probably some additives, its mainly sucking the nicotine out of the leaf and absorbing it through the mucus membranes.
 
Former smoker here. I started vaping, then tapered off the nicotine in the vaping juice to a minimal amount. I thought it actually helped a little bit during the day, and it was cool to blow 'smoke' vapor, but it was incredibly easy to put down and walk away from.

There are better ways and supplements to gain the edge and focus. Getting nicotine gum seems like grabbing an addiction off the shelf, instead of using it as a tool to alleviate and get rid of another. One can become addicted to anything. I believe there were studies done linking nicotine with cancer but cannot find them at the moment. One thing you can count on. If it were ok to use in a supplement, and it is addictive, why haven't all the companies jumped on this gold mine of addictive ingredient?

It has a bad rap maybe? Maybe, but it's there, and nobody will put it in their supplements.

Have you tried?
The scent of citrus alone helps to sharpen the senses and allow more focus. The Japanese have perfected the art of aromatherapy in the workplace. Of course they work long hours and have to, but they have the refreshing scent of citrus piped through the buildings in the morning, and relaxing scents in the later hours of the day to help destress employees.

Good luck in any case OP, let us know what your findings are if you continue.
 
justhere4comm said:
Former smoker here. I started vaping, then tapered off the nicotine in the vaping juice to a minimal amount. I thought it actually helped a little bit during the day, and it was cool to blow 'smoke' vapor, but it was incredibly easy to put down and walk away from. The amount the OP is talking about is minimal and wouldn't make a former smoker (user) want to start again. IMHO.

There are better ways and supplements to gain the edge and focus. Getting nicotine gum seems like grabbing an addiction off the shelf, instead of using it as a tool to alleviate and get rid of another.

The scent of citrus alone helps to sharpen the senses and allow more focus. The Japanese have perfected the art of aromatherapy in the workplace. Of course they work long hours and have to, but they have the refreshing scent of citrus piped through the buildings in the morning, and relaxing scents in the later hours of the day to help destress employees.

Good luck in any case OP, let us know what your findings are if you continue.
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It is all relative to the persons goals at the end of the day. No one needs to use ephedrine, clen or anabolics, yet they do.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Im glad you are ok... a fairer comparison would be nicotine and caffeine.

You were addicted cigarettes? Little bit different inhaling a cocktail of chemicals, including nicotine vs chewing nicotine gum. Anyways i can see you are set arguing your point of view. Show me how im wrong.
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I can respect that he wants to stay away from the nicotine gum, and people considering using it should probably be aware that there is some possibility of addiction/dependence associated with it, even if it is quite rare. Addiction to nicotine gum doesn't seem to be very common at all, but apparently it is something that exists, even among people who don't/didn't use tobacco. I also imagine that most people who use nicotine gum aren't people who don't/haven't smoked. This reference is just based on an internet questionnaire, but I suppose it shows that it's possible:
Addiction to the nicotine gum in never smokers is probably quite rare, but this study suggests that it can occur.
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Does nicotine cause cancer?

"Several lines of evidence indicate that nicotine may contribute to the development of cancer. Evidence from experimental in vitro studies on cell cultures, in vivo studies on rodents as well as studies on humans inclusive of epidemiological studies indicate that nicotine itself, independent of other tobacco constituents, may stimulate a number of effects of importance in cancer development (5, 6)."

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There are a number logical arguments and fallacies that can be made in favor of those using nicotine for the purpose outlined by the OP, but in the end there are a variety of other supplements with ingredients that can far exceed the benefits of nicotine usage. Nicotine gum is intended to help those end an addiction, not begin a new one.

That said, as stated before, one doesn't need pre-workouts, BCAAs, intra-workouts, protein drinks; bars, just good food, quality sleep, great programming, and a commitment to one's own development... Then again, give me my coffee in the morning, pre, intra, BCAA, protein, and all the other goodies because they make it at least interesting and they have their place. They give you a slight edge to be consistent and gain results where others would possibly quit.

It all has it's place.

Bottom line, it's your life, your choice. Make it, and if it works for you. Good on ya!
 
Be careful with that crap, man. I was stacking one piece (cut in halves) 2mg with 150mg of caffeine last year. I miscounted the pieces somehow when packing them for the next day and took one half too many (by my best guess). It shot my bp up to 180/ 90 range. It only happened once, but that was all it took for me to quit for good. The stuff works great, as I got a whole pack for a dollar sometime before and figured I would give it a go, especially because I was broke and couldn't afford ec or y, but I could barely stand up for about 2 hours after that. The BP went back down in a few hours, but while it was up, I was miserable.
 
Interesting comments and links. Didn't place much weight on the negatives of using nicotine.
My research lead me to believe that nicotine alone is safe and should be treated like caffeine or any other stimulant.

I've wasted hundreds of $ on supplements claiming to "suppress appetite, clean energy, focus...and all that BS."
Nothing comes close to nicotine besides ephedrine-which gives me bad anxiety so I can't use that.
 
allbrawn said:
Interesting comments and links. Didn't place much weight on the negatives of using nicotine.
My research lead me to believe that nicotine alone is safe and should be treated like caffeine or any other stimulant.

I've wasted hundreds of $ on supplements claiming to "suppress appetite, clean energy, focus...and all that BS."
Nothing comes close to nicotine besides ephedrine-which gives me bad anxiety so I can't use that.
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Yeah, Nic is safe - my only caution was about addiction - it's a *highly* addictive substance. Going off of the internet, there appears to be about 1mg in a cigarette. An average "Dip" of chewing tobacco, held for 30 minutes, delivers about 4mg.

There are roughly 35 Million Smokers in the US, and about 8 Million chew tobacco. Compare this to an estimated 17 Million people with Alcohol Abuse problems. Very addictive. Unless you pay your rent with your physique - do you really need the extra performance? Especially you "Bro-Split" guys doing 5, 6, 7 days a week training - Nicotine each time? Be careful is all I'm saying.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yeah, Nic is safe - my only caution was about addiction - it's a *highly* addictive substance. Going off of the internet, there appears to be about 1mg in a cigarette. An average "Dip" of chewing tobacco, held for 30 minutes, delivers about 4mg.

There are roughly 35 Million Smokers in the US, and about 8 Million chew tobacco. Compare this to an estimated 17 Million people with Alcohol Abuse problems. Very addictive. Unless you pay your rent with your physique - do you really need the extra performance? Especially you "Bro-Split" guys doing 5, 6, 7 days a week training - Nicotine each time? Be careful is all I'm saying.
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It has less additive capability in gum than in cigarettes, as even though nicotine is an additive substance it is also metabolized by MAO at a reasonably fast rate when not used in conjunction to cigarettes. Smokers have lower MAO A levels, and therefore are slower to metabolize nicotine which contributes to the prolonged feelings of addition. Constituents in smoke (one of several other 4000 compounds in cigarettes) have the ability to inhibit both MAO A and B.

Smoking and gum are not one in the same for addiction.

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It should be noted that nicotine gum CAN increase levels of known nicotine based carcinogens (n-nitrosonornicotine being just one of these), however the way in which tobacco is prepared and subsequently burnt greatly increases the harm they can cause. Repeated long duration trials have demonstrated nicotine replacement therapy to be safe at dosages far and beyond what you might expect from a simple 1 piece per day which delivers much less than what you expect to consume from smoking (2mg delivered, 1mg absorbed).

While nicotine has specific nitrosamines, they are not to unlike those we are exposed to just from nitrites from food sources (which also form carcinogenic nitrosamines through interaction with dietary amines). Although their rates of conversion into carcinogenic nitrosamines may vary (never looked at it), this does not necessarily mean cancer incidence rates will increase just by consuming the compound.

Potentially adding Vit C could limit the conversion as well (much like what you have in Nitrate products).

Cigarette smoke contains a myriad of other compounds that may accelerate pre-cancerous cell lines, however nicotine just contains nicotine based nitrosamines. So even though NNN may be increased, that doesn't mean cancer risk is increased per se, as long term studies have failed to show any real harmful affects of JUST nicotine.

I'm open to read anything counter to this though
 
There is a definite payoff when using nicotine. It's the main reason smokers gain weight when quitting, and begin a protocol of gum while they manage their weight, the problem I see here is the handoff from one addiction to another. It's not good, and there's more to be concerned about.

"Also, the 'inhibition of estrogen signalling' issue is not a good one, even for us guys. It inhibits the beta subunit and not the alpha subunit; this is bad"

For those non-smokers wishing to delve into using nicotine:
"There is currently insufficient evidence to suggest an 'optimal dose' of nicotine for non-smoking individuals.

It would be prudent to follow stimulant usage guidelines and start with a low dose and work up. This includes buying 2mg gums or cutting a 24mg nicotine patch into quarters to start, then work up to what is seen as the minimum effective dose. There is currently no established 'threshold' for when risk becomes too great as it varies between individuals."

"In rat studies where nicotine is administered, suppression of testosterone is seen at physiologically relevant doses which seems to be in part secondary to receptor activation (muscarinic cholinergic) and, in chronic situations, related to testicular damage secondary to pro-oxidation; damage is somewhat attenuated with anti-oxidants"

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Nac said:
From a "3rd party" reading the exchange...

It appeared to me he was stating it has a lower addictive capability...not that it had none.
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Which is what I've been saying for two days: be cautious if you attempt to use it. One half a cube, once a week on deadlift day is a lot different than the possible "double scoop preworkout" guy chewing on three, every day of his 6 day bro split. Nic is addictive - it isn't the "4000 other chemicals" that are the main culprit. I never said a super tiny amount would be the gateway to Methamphetamine. And I was mainly stating my own preference as a,former Copenhagen addict, that I wouldn't risk it myself.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Are you saying that there is no chance of addiction, especially with the 'bro' more is better philosophy?

What about for former addicts?

Do you use it? Will you?
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The risk of addiction is greatly reduced when used in this form. Noone can say anything has zero chance of addition, so why would I say that in this case?

Yes I do use it. I have done for years
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Which is what I've been saying for two days: be cautious if you attempt to use it. One half a cube, once a week on deadlift day is a lot different than the possible "double scoop preworkout" guy chewing on three, every day of his 6 day bro split. Nic is addictive - it isn't the "4000 other chemicals" that are the main culprit. I never said a super tiny amount would be the gateway to Methamphetamine. And I was mainly stating my own preference as a,former Copenhagen addict, that I wouldn't risk it myself.
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Yes, it is within the 4000 that inhibit MAO A and B which potentiate the additive capability.

This is well documented in literature.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yes, it is within the 4000 that inhibit MAO A and B which potentiate the additive capability.

This is well documented in literature.
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Potentiate? Sure, I can buy that, ie. They make an already addictive substance even more addictive. I didn't see any data on smokeless tobacco in your links though.

I wasn't addicted to cigarettes, I was addicted to Dip/Snuff/Snus/Chewing/Smokeless Tobacco. So I wasn't inhaling 599 additives which create 4000 chemical compounds when burned, which may potentiate the already addictive Nicotine even more.

I was basically sticking tobacco leaves in my mouth for a while, and absorbing nicotine through the mouth tissue - kind of like gum.

Nicotine is addictive, as there are no other potentiators in Copenhagen Snuff - and that shjt is addictive as heck. See Altria's Doc below, along with the two that aren't obvious:

Sodium carbonate is a food additive (E500) used as an acidity regulator, anticaking agent, raising agent, and stabilizer. It is one of the components of kansui, a solution of alkaline salts used to give ramen noodles their characteristic flavor and texture. It is also used in the production of snus (Swedish-style snuff) to stabilize the pH of the final product.

Ammonium carbonate may be used as a leavening agent in traditional recipes, particularly those from northern Europe and Scandinavia (e.g. Speculoos, Tunnbröd or Lebkuchen). It also serves as an acidity regulator and has the E number E503. It can be replaced with baking powder, but this may affect both the taste and texture of the finished product. Ammonium carbonate is the main component of smelling salts, although the commercial scale of their production is small. Buckley's cough syrup from Canada today uses ammonium carbonate as an active ingredient intended to help relieve symptoms of bronchitis. It is also used as an emetic. It is also found in smokeless tobacco products, such as Skoal.
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All I'm saying is if you want to try this - treat it like Ephedrine/Yohimbine, etc...

Start low, low, low - one day a week, and increase the amount each week (for one day). If you don't find yourself looking for your gum while watching TV at night, try 2 days (Mon and Thur?). Repeat, etc...

If you *have* been addicted to Nicotine - be really cognizant of what you are feeling.

And don't take the typical "More is better, double scoop supplement" approach.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Potentiate? Sure, I can buy that, ie. They make an already addictive substance even more addictive. I didn't see any data on smokeless tobacco in your links though.

I wasn't addicted to cigarettes, I was addicted to Dip/Snuff/Snus/Chewing/Smokeless Tobacco. So I wasn't inhaling 599 additives which create 4000 chemical compounds when burned, which may potentiate the already addictive Nicotine even more.

I was basically sticking tobacco leaves in my mouth for a while, and absorbing nicotine through the mouth tissue - kind of like gum.

Nicotine is addictive, as there are no other potentiators in Copenhagen Snuff - and that shjt is addictive as heck. See Altria's Doc below, along with the two that aren't obvious:
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Edit: now I gotcha. But the data on nicotine gum and additction shows it is very poor, and you're again using an entrie product to try demonstrate your point.

Nicotine on its own shows very little addictive potential, but yet you keep saying you were addicted to a full tobacco product. That's cool, but how does that relate?

those products are made specifically to enjoy, and contain the full tobacco product. Nicotine gum is not tobacco leaves in chew form. It is nicotine in isolation.

You can't blanket apply one thing to fit the profile of another
 
The_Old_Guy said:
All I'm saying is if you want to try this - treat it like Ephedrine/Yohimbine, etc...

Start low, low, low - one day a week, and increase the amount each week (for one day). If you don't find yourself looking for your gum while watching TV at night, try 2 days (Mon and Thur?). Repeat, etc...

If you *have* been addicted to Nicotine - be really cognizant of what you are feeling.

And don't take the typical "More is better, double scoop supplement" approach.
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for sure
 
Jiigzz said:
Edit: now I gotcha. But the data on nicotine gum and additction shows it is very poor, and you're again using an entrie product to try demonstrate your point.

Nicotine on its own shows very little addictive potential, but yet you keep saying you were addicted to a full tobacco product. That's cool, but how does that relate?

those products are made specifically to enjoy, and contain the full tobacco product. Nicotine gum is not tobacco leaves in chew form. It is nicotine in isolation.

You can't blanket apply one thing to fit the profile of another
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According to Harvard, Invalid Link Removed the substances that potentiate and reinforce nicotine addiction are known as pyrazines. When burned along with the tobacco they act in concert with nicotine. These are all "additives", not a part of the natural leaf.

Chewing tobacco is pretty much the natural leaf, there are no pyrazine additives, and it isn't burned.

Unless someone can point out the natural compound that is inherently in a tobacco leaf that you pluck out of the ground, that is the addictive agent if not nicotine - it is the nicotine in chewing tobacco that causes addiction.

Maybe its because chewing tobacco contains a lot more nicotine than cigarettes, and you literally keep it in your mouth for hours? I don't know.

I'll also say that if a straight nicotine patch/ gum satisfies the craving and keeps you from reaching for another smoke/chew - then just nicotine is doing something, sans pyrazines. So just be careful while experimenting - all I'm saying.
 
The dose makes the poison

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2 pieces was too much.

Felt anxious, started sweating, and upset my stomach. My heart rate also sat around 100 Bpm for about 30 min, just sitting.

My sweet spot is 2mg.
I agree that "more is not better" with nicotine.

and I don't use nicotine for performance in the gym, I strictly use it for my job at a cpa firm. I'm doing audits/taxes 12hrs 6 days a week till April 15. The gum has a cognitive enhancement effect on me. Not sure if science backs that up but it works.
I wish I used this in college instead of "dangerous" adderal in college.
 
allbrawn said:
2 pieces was too much.

Felt anxious, started sweating, and upset my stomach. My heart rate also sat around 100 Bpm for about 30 min, just sitting.

My sweet spot is 2mg.
I agree that "more is not better" with nicotine.

and I don't use nicotine for performance in the gym, I strictly use it for my job at a cpa firm. I'm doing audits/taxes 12hrs 6 days a week till April 15. The gum has a cognitive enhancement effect on me. Not sure if science backs that up but it works.
I wish I used this in college instead of "dangerous" adderal in college.
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I know this thread is about Nicotine, but I'm sure there are better options for what you're needing that would likely work much better. Adderall doesn't do anything more for me than most of the OTC nootropics that are widely available. Not like adderall isn't widely available seeing as I go to a university lol but still, it's not my first choice after trying a few other nootropics.

I know nothing of Nicotine, other than dip makes me sick and I smoked cigarettes for a while in high school and never got addicted to them.
 
I've tried many nootropics back in college when I was trying to find a safer alternative to addy. None of them did anything.

My go to stack for when I had to pull an all nighter and cram were sunflower seeds and 2 zero carb monsters.

If anyone has a nootropic product that they personally have used and loved, let me know.
 
Pulled the trigger on this and have been liking the effects so far. I'm just doing 1mg and the mental clarity is great. Most stims have lost their effect on me, including Bronkaid. I dipped for about 8 months two years ago and quit cold turkey because I didn't like it anymore. I'm not worried about addiction but I'm not naive enough to say it can't happen. But, so far so good

And like allbrawn, I'm not using this for the gym. I'm a business/commercial litigator at a bigger firm, so I've been using when writing briefs, researching, etc.
 
I'm a natural competitor. The best fat loss stack I've ever used is nicotine with 7-keto. I'm not a smoker, but for my last two show I burned 3-5 cigs a day and took 150 mg 7-keto divided into 25 mg until I hit 150 mgs. Hypo-caloric diet, no cardio, posing my ass off for the finsal 5 weeks. Posing practice (isometric muscle contractions) trumps cardio any day of the week without burning muscle. The nicotine/7-keto also out did ephedra/aspirin stack. I've never smoked since, and wouldn't want to try nicotine gum.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I wasn't addicted to cigarettes, I was addicted to Dip/Snuff/Snus/Chewing/Smokeless Tobacco.
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Where are you from? I always thought chewing tobacco died with the introduction of Big League Chew but I've seen the stats and smokeless tobacco is a real thing. It's pretty rare around my neck of the woods though.
 
210LBS said:
Where are you from? I always thought chewing tobacco died with the introduction of Big League Chew but I've seen the stats and smokeless tobacco is a real thing. It's pretty rare around my neck of the woods though.
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Where are you from that dip isn't a thing?
 
SFreed said:
Where are you from that dip isn't a thing?
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It's a thing but it's a rare thing. I'm in New York. I've crossed paths with a couple people who have messed with it but not sure I know anyone addicted to chewing tobacco. It just seems rare around here.
 
Down 5lbs. Prob mostly muscle and water.
I've made up my mind that I'm done using SARMs and other sketchy supps that aid in getting "jacked".
Only using a multi, fish oil, nicotine, & caffeine for now on.
It's cool to be repping 405 on bench and pull 535lbs on deads-bunch of bros will think it's cool. I'm not fat-200lbs 14%bf.
But I'd rather be a natural, 175lb, semi strong and shredded.
Always get confused that I'm not a power lifter and heavy weights aren't my goals. Gotta sacrifice strength for the shreds.
 
210LBS said:
Where are you from? I always thought chewing tobacco died with the introduction of Big League Chew but I've seen the stats and smokeless tobacco is a real thing. It's pretty rare around my neck of the woods though.
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Tri-State area of New England originally. Started Smoking while standing on top of Mt. Yonah in US Army Ranger School in 1987. Switched to Copenhagen when I got recalled for the first Gulf War in '91... funnily enough at Ft. Drum, NY :D Dipped ever since until about 2014 when I caught the fitness bug. It's everywhere - and about $11 a can (in 2001 at least) in Orange County, California! The Military is a major dipping environment - smoking on patrol is frowned upon :D
 
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