Donald Trump running for president

youngandfree said:
They are complaining about an all male cabinet when there's only 4 people confirmed so far.
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Dont worry about it, unlike the death decaying dinosaur dying media likes to portray it, the way the past two elections turned out the political liberal left is dead. Just have a few pockets to worry about such as the 2018 election here in NY and getting that scum Cuomo out of office.
 
Remember when Donald Trump had a fixation with Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. Just bizarre behavior for an old man like that.
Now, he's our President. lol.


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I dropped out of Harvard law school after only 2 years so my legal knowledge is somewhat limited....what do you guys think of trumps travel ban? to me it looks like LEGALLY it should go thru, no matter what you think of the policy.
 
thebigt said:
I dropped out of Harvard law school after only 2 years so my legal knowledge is somewhat limited....what do you guys think of trumps travel ban? to me it looks like LEGALLY it should go thru, no matter what you think of the policy.
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It definitely should go through in my opinion, I dont see what the problem is.
 
ax1 said:
It definitely should go through in my opinion, I dont see what the problem is.
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the problem is the policy itself, imo....legally I can't see any issue, but I'm not a legal expert.
 
thebigt said:
the problem is the policy itself, imo....legally I can't see any issue, but I'm not a legal expert.
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I would have rolled it out a little differently...people with green cards were screwed a but, and those that already have visas could have been told not to come....cross world flights just suck trust me, lol. The world isnt perfect. I do not believe this has anything to do with Muslims as a whole.
 
ax1 said:
I would have rolled it out a little differently...people with green cards were screwed a but, and those that already have visas could have been told not to come....cross world flights just suck trust me, lol. The world isnt perfect. I do not believe this has anything to do with Muslims as a whole.
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yes, I agree there were kinks in the beginning. if the opposition could prove that it is a ban on a religion I believe that is the only leg they could stand on, but I think that legally it is impossible to prove, without letting personal beliefs interfere.
 
thebigt said:
yes, I agree there were kinks in the beginning. if the opposition could prove that it is a ban on a religion I believe that is the only leg they could stand on, but I think that legally it is impossible to prove, without letting personal beliefs interfere.
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Even if it was, Im not saying its right but even if it was a ban on a religion, why would it be a legal requirement for the US government to protect the religious rights of non-American citizens?
 
ax1 said:
Even if it was, Im not saying its right but even if it was a ban on a religion, why would it be a legal requirement for the US government to protect the religious rights of non-American citizens?
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I [think] there is something in the constitution about banning immigration for religion reasons....that is why trump's administration is going out of their way to say it is not a religious ban.
 
CJNator said:
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Dump needs to make the war on terrorism arresting George Soros a priority. We can also finally have him pay his dues for his Nazi crimes against the Jews during WWII.
 
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This guy should hold no more power than a meter maid, and maybe not even that.
The President of the United States of America joking about destroying someone's career.

He wishes.
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LOL
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Crazy
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justhere4comm said:
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This guy should hold no more power than a meter maid, and maybe not even that.
The President of the United States of America joking about destroying someone's career.

He wishes.
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LOL
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Crazy
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Doesnt seem as bad as that previous dictator claiming "Im good at killing people."
 
Great meme! It's perfectly idiotic and takes it's place right next to all the Hitler memes.

The reality:
A rich privileged person who's family gave the GOP in upwards of $200,000,000.00 in donations has a seat of power in Trump's Administration.

What makes her qualified for the position?
I'd love to see that resume.

It's heartening as well.
I mean, anyone can do anything! I believe it now, so I'm going to apply for NASA; NFL; NBA, and the NHL! I think I got a shot. I just have to come up with $200,000,000.00 to donate and secure my chances.
 
justhere4comm said:
Great meme! It's perfectly idiotic and takes it's place right next to all the Hitler memes.

The reality:
A rich privileged person who's family gave the GOP in upwards of $200,000,000.00 in donations has a seat of power in Trump's Administration.

What makes her qualified for the position?
I'd love to see that resume.

It's heartening as well.
I mean, anyone can do anything! I believe it now, so I'm going to apply for NASA; NFL; NBA, and the NHL! I think I got a shot. I just have to come up with $200,000,000.00 to donate and secure my chances.
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You should just stick with NAMBLA.
 
ax1 said:
Even if it was, Im not saying its right but even if it was a ban on a religion, why would it be a legal requirement for the US government to protect the religious rights of non-American citizens?
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"foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake"

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The Constitution does distinguish in some respects between the rights of citizens and noncitizens: the right not to be discriminatorily denied the vote and the right to run for federal elective office are expressly restricted to citizens.12 All other rights, however, are written without such a limitation.
 
Jiigzz said:
"foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake"

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The Constitution does distinguish in some respects between the rights of citizens and noncitizens: the right not to be discriminatorily denied the vote and the right to run for federal elective office are expressly restricted to citizens.12 All other rights, however, are written without such a limitation.
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Check this out, direct source to the law too. Most relevant to Dump's case.

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(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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ax1 said:
Check this out, direct source to the law too. Most relevant to Dump's case.

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(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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I think the biggest issue was that he was stopping legal citizens from re-entering. The above seems to apply to aliens which is fair enough IMO.
 
Jiigzz said:
"foreign nationals are generally entitled to the equal protection of the laws, to political freedoms of speech and association, and to due process requirements of fair procedure where their lives, liberty, or property are at stake"

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The Constitution does distinguish in some respects between the rights of citizens and noncitizens: the right not to be discriminatorily denied the vote and the right to run for federal elective office are expressly restricted to citizens.12 All other rights, however, are written without such a limitation.
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Just so you know, Government here has a rich history of discrimination, inequality, doesnt respect due process, craps on our US Constitution, discriminates based on religion and political beliefs, etc of American citizens to this day... to keep it short.....So by default, where Im sitting its hard for me to stand of for foreign nationals when American's themselves are currently being shytting on lol
 
Jiigzz said:
I think the biggest issue was that he was stopping legal citizens from re-entering. The above seems to apply to aliens which is fair enough IMO.
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Which legal citizens? Did they really deny citizens? Do you mean "green card" holders? They are not citizens. My wife has a residence card she is still considered an alien.
 
ax1 said:
Which legal citizens? Did they really deny citizens? Do you mean "green card" holders? They are not citizens. My wife has a residence card she is still considered an alien.
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Poor choice of word, I did mean green card holders and legal residents
 
ax1 said:
Just so you know, Government here has a rich history of discrimination, inequality, doesnt respect due process, craps on our US Constitution, discriminates based on religion and political beliefs, etc of American citizens to this day... to keep it short.....So by default, where Im sitting its hard for me to stand of for foreign nationals when American's themselves are currently being shytting on lol
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Haha won't argue with that!
 
ax1 said:
Which legal citizens? Did they really deny citizens? Do you mean "green card" holders? They are not citizens. My wife has a residence card she is still considered an alien.
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Which I would like to quickly add I never ethically agreed with green card holders being denied entry. The roll-out of this was a bit screwed up imo no matter what the law.
 
youngandfree said:
Green card holders are still aliens, not citizens.
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Fair enough. But let's show distinction between foreigners who have never been to the US and those who reside there.
 
Jiigzz said:
Fair enough. But let's show distinction between foreigners who have never been to the US and those who reside there.
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Ultimately the law is the law, that Ax1 posted. That law hasn't been challenged in the past, and presidents republican and democrat have used it to stop people from "immigrating" or coming in to the US from specified countries. Including Obama when he stopped all immigration from Iraq. Or Carter stopping all immigration from Iran. And a travel ban is just that. If you are a citizen, no problem. But green card holders getting caught up still didn't violate the law, which again hasn't been challenged in a court. Then Trump amended his proclamation by giving exemption to green card and visa holders, as well as foreign interpreters. Which he didn't have to do by the law, that hasn't been challenged in court before.
 
justhere4comm said:
Great meme! It's perfectly idiotic and takes it's place right next to all the Hitler memes.

The reality:
A rich privileged person who's family gave the GOP in upwards of $200,000,000.00 in donations has a seat of power in Trump's Administration.

What makes her qualified for the position?
I'd love to see that resume.

It's heartening as well.
I mean, anyone can do anything! I believe it now, so I'm going to apply for NASA; NFL; NBA, and the NHL! I think I got a shot. I just have to come up with $200,000,000.00 to donate and secure my chances.
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THE REALITY...a billionaire businessman related to the working man-[blue collar worker] better than the democrats did... the result is that trump motivated the working class to get out and vote, while the left got complacent/arrogant/lazy, and were convinced Hillary would win without their vote.

I wonder how many of those anti-trump protesters even bothered to vote?
 
youngandfree said:
Ultimately the law is the law, that Ax1 posted. That law hasn't been challenged in the past, and presidents republican and democrat have used it to stop people from "immigrating" or coming in to the US from specified countries. Including Obama when he stopped all immigration from Iraq. Or Carter stopping all immigration from Iran. And a travel ban is just that. If you are a citizen, no problem. But green card holders getting caught up still didn't violate the law, which again hasn't been challenged in a court. Then Trump amended his proclamation by giving exemption to green card and visa holders, as well as foreign interpreters. Which he didn't have to do by the law, that hasn't been challenged in court before.
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Do you think Trump wouldnt have changed his mind to exempt people if he didn't think he had to?

This is trump were talking about. The reason he changed his mind is because his decision would have been thrown in his face had he tried to push it
 
Jiigzz said:
Do you think Trump wouldnt have changed his mind to exempt people if he didn't think he had to?

This is trump were talking about. The reason he changed his mind is because his decision would have been thrown in his face had he tried to push it
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I just saw a poll that shows that most European's want immigration ban from muslim majority country's.
 
thebigt said:
I just saw a poll that shows that most European's want immigration ban from muslim majority country's.
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I believe it, and I also read the number of forced displaced people has doubled in the last 20 years. Where are all of them going to go? I'm not asking them all to come here.

How about this plot twist?
Our President has embraced Big Pharma and Wall Street... The same idiots whom have gouged us on medication, and those other idiots (geniuses) whom were bailed out for screwing up. He is deregulating them.

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The man has nothing in common with the working man or woman. Nothing. He's so out of touch it's not funny, and how people can even consider he has the tiniest grasp or care is beyond comprehension.
 
Jiigzz said:
Do you think Trump wouldnt have changed his mind to exempt people if he didn't think he had to?

This is trump were talking about. The reason he changed his mind is because his decision would have been thrown in his face had he tried to push it
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Had to LEGALLY or in order to save face? Legally he didn't have to. To save face, absolutely he needed to.
 
youngandfree said:
Had to LEGALLY or in order to save face? Legally he didn't have to. To save face, absolutely he needed to.
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May not even have anything to do with saving face...maybe he listens, observes, gets feedback from people and simply changed his mind. Nothing wrong with flexibility. The truth is we can only speculate.
 
youngandfree said:
Had to LEGALLY or in order to save face? Legally he didn't have to. To save face, absolutely he needed to.
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Donald Trump trying to save face? Something tells me this isn't it
 
FWIW, I have no issue with the ban itself; it's your country and you deserve the right to protect it any way you see fit. However what I disagree with is that you are making the victims out to be the bullies, when the US itself created ISIS and caused a tonne of issues in the middle east. You created these issues, and now you are blocking those seeking refuge from your ****-up.
 
Jiigzz said:
FWIW, I have no issue with the ban itself; it's your country and you deserve the right to protect it any way you see fit. However what I disagree with is that you are making the victims out to be the bullies, when the US itself created ISIS and caused a tonne of issues in the middle east. You created these issues, and now you are blocking those seeking refuge from your ****-up.
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The ban comes from Dump who has opposed wars, has nothing to do with the previous foreign policies of this country and also acknowledged Obama created ISIS.
 
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