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List the best natural supplements on the market.

bigsmall said:
Their is allot more to Folidrone 2.0 than Epi....and from my experience performs as well as 10-15mg of Osta. I ran it for 5 months, did something stronger and am back on it.
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It would be lie if I said I have tried FD2.
 
Joe12 said:
This made me laugh, anyone that claims a natty product is as strong as any PH is full of it.
But that's marketing for you, a sucker is born every minute, lol.
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Ryan5550 said:
They say the EC is more potent than the epi. Or at least so I've heard lol
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Ecklonia Cava is more potent then epicatechin product. And has a ton of more real world research.

Here are some areas of research
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Fibromyalgia
Brain Function
Arthritis
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Weight Loss
Diabetes
Obesity
Erectile Difficulties

bigsmall said:
Their is allot more to Folidrone 2.0 than Epi....and from my experience performs
as well as 10-15mg of Osta. I ran it for 5 months, did something stronger and am back on it.
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I know I am a rep, but I can definitely believe this. Because Osta is milder then most DHEA PH's


Danes said:
It would be lie if I said I have tried FD2.
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What are you waiting for buddy...?

Do I need to see if brundel will send you some to try...? ;)
 
vujade said:
Ecklonia Cava is more potent then epicatechin product. And has a ton of more real world research.

Here are some areas of research
More Information

Cardiovascular
Fibromyalgia
Brain Function
Arthritis
Allergies
Weight Loss
Diabetes
Obesity
Erectile Difficulties



I know I am a rep, but I can definitely believe this. Because Osta is milder then most DHEA PH's




What are you waiting for buddy...?

Do I need to see if brundel will send you some to try...? ;)
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If brundel was willing send me some to try, I would give it another 2-month run to see if the results are different :)
 
vujade said:
Ecklonia Cava is more potent then epicatechin product. And has a ton of more real world research.

Here are some areas of research
More Information

Cardiovascular
Fibromyalgia
Brain Function
Arthritis
Allergies
Weight Loss
Diabetes
Obesity
Erectile Difficulties



I know I am a rep, but I can definitely believe this. Because Osta is milder then most DHEA PH's




What are you waiting for buddy...?

Do I need to see if brundel will send you some to try...? ;)
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Hey buddy :)

I am interested . Never tried it and I will give it a fair chance :)
 
Follidrone 2 was very effective for me in terms of body composition, strength and endurance. A step up form straight -epi IMO.

Now I want to try massmax xt. I had fantastic results with high quality broad spectrum ecdy(kre-anabolyn, mass pro synthagen) in the past. Although it was very expensive, it definitely worked.
 
True on the DAA and I was a non-responder to Diesel Test Hardcore. I went into my local private owned supplement store a few years ago where I used to do quite a bit of business. I brought a bottle of Activate Extreme to the counter and he said "dude, that does absolutely nothing, I don't suggest that at all." I put it back on the shelf and he was not trying to sell me anything else. It is possible that Inhibit-E was the only thing giving him results in that stack.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
DAA in a sentence talking about best? What exactly would you say this stack is the best for?[/QUOTE

Testosterone boosting. I listed 4 supplements that are widely known and marketed for boosting testosterone in one way or another. Then added them in a combo, and you are wondering what the combo is for.
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mbonheur said:
I wonder if the ostarine was bunk if it gave the same effects as FD2 at a dose between 10-15mg
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To be honest, Osta really does not do much even when it is legit. Only useful for healing properties, increased endurance, and supposedly retaining muscle on a cut.
 
Ricky10 said:
To be honest, Osta really does not do much even when it is legit. Only useful for healing properties, increased endurance, and supposedly retaining muscle on a cut.
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I ran FD2 and Osta at 10mg for 8 weeks (not at the same time) . I had definitely much better results with Osta (and no sides) and recovered fine from it. That said I would neither run Osta nor FD2 again.
 
Dunamis1 said:
Testosterone boosting. I listed 4 supplements that are widely known and marketed for boosting testosterone in one way or another. Then added them in a combo, and you are wondering what the combo is for.
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Way to be condescending my friend. DAA may be "widely marketed for boosting testosterone," but that doesn't mean that it actually works for the population of people buying it:
Twenty-four males, with a minimum of two years' experience in resistance training, (age, 24.5 ± 3.2 y; training experience, 3.4 ± 1.4 y; height, 178.5 ± 6.5 cm; weight, 84.7 ± 7.2 kg; bench press 1-RM, 105.3 ± 15.2 kg) were randomised into one of three groups: 6 g.d(-1) plain flour (D0); 3 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D3); and 6 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D6). Participants performed a two-week washout period, training four days per week. This continued through the experimental period (14 days), with participants consuming the supplement in the morning. Serum was analysed for levels of testosterone, estradiol, sex hormone binding globulin, albumin and free testosterone was determined by calculation.

D-aspartic acid supplementation revealed no main effect for group in: estradiol; sex-hormone-binding-globulin; and albumin. Total testosterone was significantly reduced in D6 (P = 0.03). Analysis of free testosterone showed that D6 was significantly reduced as compared to D0 (P = 0.005), but not significantly different to D3. Analysis did not reveal any significant differences between D3 and D0. No significant correlation between initial total testosterone levels and responsiveness to d-aspartic acid was observed (r = 0.10, P = 0.70).

The present study demonstrated that a daily dose of six grams of d-aspartic acid decreased levels of total testosterone and free testosterone (D6), without any concurrent change in other hormones measured. Three grams of d-aspartic acid had no significant effect on either testosterone markers. It is currently unknown what effect this reduction in testosterone will have on strength and hypertrophy gains.
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Resistance-trained men resistance trained 4 times/wk for 28 days while orally ingesting either 3 g of placebo or 3 g of D-ASP. Data were analyzed with 2 × 2 analysis of variance (P < .05).

The gonadal hormones were unaffected by 28 days of D-ASP supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass. Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.
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The first study I referenced regarding DAA was published recently (2015), and used subjects with at least 2 years experience resistance training, and the study also had subjects train 4-days a week. If you look at the full text (which I put a link to below), you'll see that both 3g and 6g DAA REDUCED free testosterone relative to no DAA (although the decrease was only significant in the 6g group):
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Also, you do know that slightly increasing testosterone within the normal range (non-suprasphysiological levels) isn't going to do much in terms of strength/size. Granted, it can improve libido, wellbeing, etc, which is great and can indirectly lead to better gains, but, even in a "test booster," most actual gains in strength or body composition can come via other MoAs than slightly increasing testosterone (think things like ashwagandha, forskolin, etc; while they may increase testosterone levels, their real benefits come from other mechanisms than slightly increasing testosterone).

I'd say drop the DAA. Inhibit e + a test booster is fine, but two test boosters?
 
mbonheur said:
I ran FD2 and Osta at 10mg for 8 weeks (not at the same time) . I had definitely much better results with Osta (and no sides) and recovered fine from it. That said I would neither run Osta nor FD2 again.
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Haha! Yeah, done with Osta myself. Never again for me either!
 
mbonheur said:
I wonder if the ostarine was bunk if it gave the same effects as FD2 at a dose between 10-15mg
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No, im sure it was not. Osta is not a good muscle builder, its a better muscle preserver..
Thats why research was discontinued on Osta by the manufacturer.
 
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