List the best natural supplements on the market.
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Markhoulli
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I've taken Anafuse twice, once for cutting and the second to bulk. For me it was much more effective for a cut. I could up my calories more than usual, but still cut the same. End result was leaning out with less muscle loss. However my body seems to have gotten use to it and it doesn't have the same effect anymore. I'm on my third bottle but not enjoying it this time. I'm only continuing for the D3
bigsmall
Banned
Time to upgrade to Folidrone 2.0.
Markhoulli
New member
Really? Never heard of it, but I'm looking for another 'natty' supp. I'll def look into it.
Cheers!
Jiigzz
Legend
Anafuse used to be discussed here, but not much anymore. Newer products gain favor over older ones
210LBS
Well-known member
Any new product seems to get preferential treatment here. It's interesting because both anafuse and FD2 are prop blends, yet most posters on here knock prop blends but apparently they keep buying them.
bigsmall
Banned
In this case, Folidrone 2.0 is miles ahead of anafuse. Yes, better (and not new) is preferential.
ma70
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R1balla
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ArA, AlphaMax XT, Anabeta Elite and PowerMax XT are probably my 4 favorite products right now in that order. Also one of my favorite stacks!
MassMax XT is one of the newest products on the market. Not many people have used it yet so you may not hear it get mentioned too often. I'm on my 4th week of it. Once I finish my 8 weeks I'm going to take a break and stack it with ArA. Should be solid!
Another product that I don't think has been mentioned is orange triad. My go to staple.
MassMax XT is one of the newest products on the market. Not many people have used it yet so you may not hear it get mentioned too often. I'm on my 4th week of it. Once I finish my 8 weeks I'm going to take a break and stack it with ArA. Should be solid!
Another product that I don't think has been mentioned is orange triad. My go to staple.
Joe12
Active member
Lots of solid stacks already mentioned, I am about to begin a run of ABE & AlphaMax XT staggered. You cant go wrong with that natty stack, my goal is further recomp. Once that is done, Ill take a little break and roll into 2 tubs of OL Bloodshr3d.
Not sure why the forum doesn't have much love for anafuse. I know its a proprietary blend, but it treated me much better then any other epicat/lax combo that I have taken. I used it on a bulk, and put on some solid weight.
Not sure why the forum doesn't have much love for anafuse. I know its a proprietary blend, but it treated me much better then any other epicat/lax combo that I have taken. I used it on a bulk, and put on some solid weight.
R1balla
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I've never used Anafuse...I don't suggest products I don't like or haven't used. Maybe one day I'll try it or log it for kicks.
And I've stacked AlphaMax XT with ABE twice before. Great stack.
Joe12
Active member
Things that make you go huuuuummmmm....
One things about supps is everyone reacts different. For example, I have read a number of guys having limp dic* because of AlphaMax XT, yet it made my libido go up. When I ran anafuse on a bulk, I packed on pounds. When I ran FD2, it was on a recomp, and it made me lose more weight then I wanted. I wouldn't say one is actually better then the other, and def not miles ahead, but each is stronger in its own way. from my experience...
Anafuse = Better for a bulk
FD2 = Better for a recomp/cut
Smart man, I don't recommend stuff I have not ran either... or if I do, I appeal to others logs for reference.
210LBS
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He is just absolutely obsessed with Follidrone 2.0 - I've never seen anything like it before. So there is not going to be any chance you'll get him to accept another product as being as good. It's odd because I've never seen him spell the name of the Follidrone correctly but he talks about it in the majority of his posts.
mbonheur
Active member
Is Triumph actually standardized for PA ? I only see on their label that the soy lecithin is standardized for phosphatides (as all decent SL options out there) and the PA corresponds pretty much to the weighted average of a 97-98% phosphadites SL.
vujade
Well-known member
Its because Anafuse is made in house, and therefore they have stronger markups on it.
FD2 they have to purchase from BLR, and will ultimately make less money on it.
Its called the old bait and switch routine.
Offer a product you want, and then sell you something else similar that they can make more money on
bigsmall
Banned
Have you tried it yet bud lol?
210LBS
Well-known member
I have not. It doesn't mean I won't but I haven't yet. If I do try it, it would be based solely on the reviews. But make no mistake, I have seen products get great reviews that weren't anything good at all. I'm not saying FD2 specifically falls into that category but many products do - probably most products do. Regardless, in all honesty, I have never seen someone so obsessed with a product as much as you are with FD2. I'm not trying to be mean, but I have just never seen it before. And if you're not pushing FD2 then you're pushing another BLR product like Letrone. So perhaps there could be a slight bias. But in all seriousness you would make a good rep for them.
ucheoma
Active member
i would hazard a guess he is an undercover BLR rep!
bigsmall
Banned
Not a rep. Their the ONLY innovative company going. And they ONLY put out supplements that work. I just want see us all get our monies worth instead of buying touted as new - old copied, re-mixed crap with little or no R&D. Get serious....
macwad
Active member
Do you think Evomuse doesnt bring new stuff? Brite? BMP?
Joe12
Active member
Empirical evidence says... definitely an under cover rep, blahahaha!
bigsmall
Banned
I agree with you on Evomuse. What others would you say are innovative?
macwad
Active member
I do think OL is. Phytofused epi, 7 Keto with absorption enhancer, CU SF (they didnt just took away the stims like everybody but added an amazing adaptogens blend) , Or1gin, Ignit3 (at least to me it is innovative as I didnt know about some ingredients there)
Id also add Tr1umph. It is not an innovation in the strict sense, but it is the first creatine + PA + flavour supp.
I actually asked in a PES thread a flavoured SL prior to Tr1umph. Glad OL did it.
But I care way more for which are the best supps than which are the most innovative. Lamborghini doesnt brings much innovation, but I wouldnt mind having one! And to me, OL is the Lamborghini of supps...
And, yeah, I agree with you that FD2 rocks! In my 3rd bottle, and have other 3!
bigsmall
Banned
I love OL. Great quality and price, their products work and I can depend on clean Andro's.
Markhoulli
New member
I'm waiting for a promo or deal and I'll get a few bottles, funds are a little low. Strongsupplements seem to be the cheapest right now.
Ricky10
Well-known member
Yes; great stuff. I actually got random comments on my physique when I was using it. Problem is that it is quite expensive..
Ricky10
Well-known member
1 cap morning and 1 at night was all I took with most wanted....they are actually quite potent. Still, $70 for one month is more than difficult to swallow. Would be a great stack with FD2 though for sure.
Joe12
Active member
I got to be honest... I know everyone gives FD2 raving reviews, and I know its good on a recomp/cut, but I honestly don't think it lives up to the hype. Its not much different then any of the other natty anabolics IMO. I know, I probably just committed a cardinal sin saying that on AM, and maybe I should give it another try. I'm just leery of spending more money on it... maybe I was just a low responder, but I know I cant be the only one.
rascal14
Well-known member
Have you run a real cycle before?
I think all natural products are way over hyped to those of us who have ran steroids. I personally only use natural products to hopefully help prevent some fat gain on the days I go overboard on my calories. I don't expect much more other than some increased fullness, which can be accomplished by getting to the gym in the morning and using a good pump product.
Nevertheless, I have spent my fair share of money on natural products and will probably continue to do so, because if anything it is good motivation lol
BBiceps
Well-known member
I'm with you, I got zero from FD2, I was disappointed...
TokyoGeezer
New member
Anyone tried Most Wanted here? Ingredients interest me. Some scientific merit to it.
ucheoma
Active member
Another non=responder. Noticed nothing that wouldnt alreadyhave come fromhym and good diet. No strength or endurance improvements to speak off.
VeinNutrition
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Injectable anaoblics are in a completely separate league of their own when you're comparing to legal OTC products. It's likely almost everything may seem over hyped to steroid users. Not saying that it's not true; steroids are leagues above the effectiveness of OTC legal supplements. But at the same time you have to understand that supplement companies market their product to sell, so there must be some hype over it. I know where you're coming from though.
Danes
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It is why I dont want to waste my money or time on it.
We people react differently on compounds and there are many reasons such as genetics,medication ++ . I do shake my head when I see some guys experiencing almost steroid gains on FD2 while many say they felt NOTHING from it. Same with follidrone v1. People experienced steroid like gains. GTFOH! Even at 1500mg Epi daily, there was just better pump and endurance but thats due to N.O boosting effect.
Dont forget we are dealing with plenty of placebo and Companies-Fan Boys
R1balla
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Don't feel bad. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Hope you find something that works for you and suits your goals.
Joe12
Active member
I have ran 3 or 4 PH cycles, and a round of SARMs, never pinned. However, that's really apples and oranges. but I do see what you are saying. I didn't go into FD2 when it was first released expecting that large of gains.
The main thing I noticed was I was eating slightly above maint. and was going down in weight slightly. There are a lot factors involved when taking any supp, and we all respond differently, but I didn't get any thickness, strength or much other then what any other product would provide.
You nailed what I was getting at. I'm not saying FD2 does not work at all, its just tired of the hype, and placebo affect on AM that surrounds this one product. I figured I would mention my experience after seeing people say their gains were like a round of PH. It still amazes me, if you tell everyone the pump will be out of this world, then every comes back and talks about sick pumps. What's funny is I have experienced "sick pumps" when I have gone into the gym after eating an apple, lol .
Thanks, about to run AlphaMaxXT & Anabeta real soon, then finish off with Bloodshed!
210LBS
Well-known member
Everyone here appreciates the honesty. I haven't tried any natural supplement that have helped me gain strength or add size. I wish I have. You're going to be disappointed transitioning from PHs to naturals.
bigsmall
Banned
I found FD2 to be on level with a 10-15mg Osta run.
bigsmall
Banned
FD2 gave me results comparable to a 10-15mg Osta run which is better than I can say for anything else on the market. I ran it for 5 months, did a PH run and am back on it. I have run SARMS / PH's for over 25 years. Seems to work for allot of folks that also have allot of experience. Too bad it did not work for you.
Danes
Well-known member
Follidrone (original) allowed me to do much more volume/density in my workouts, which in turn led to better body composition. It's not a miracle supplement and diet/workout still has to be on point. Everyone's mileage may vary
Sure, that effect I got from higher EPI dose.
-better endurance
-work capacity
-Pumps
I mean, Epi should be a sample for everyone due to many healthbenefits but it is not crazy anabolic like its claimed to be
ma70
Well-known member
I mean, Epi should be a sample for everyone due to many healthbenefits but it is not crazy anabolic like its claimed to be
Upon reflecting on everything I've tried and taken, most natty anabolics are great for your health and probably assist in LBM gains mostly because they either help prevent fat gain (due to nutrient partitioning) or allow you to do more work (ergogenic aid). I don't think natty anabolics will ever allow someone to gain "more muscle" than they're supposed to (like PH, AAS gains) and I think they mainly allow you to gain muscle while putting on less fat, if that makes any sense.
Danes
Well-known member
Sure. Natty anabolics may give more size and strength indirectly. If it increase endurance/work capacity, you can push harder and that may lead to more gains (one of many examples).
bigsmall
Banned
Sure, that effect I got from higher EPI dose.
-better endurance
-work capacity
-Pumps
I mean, Epi should be a sample for everyone due to many healthbenefits but it is not crazy anabolic like its claimed to be
Their is allot more to Folidrone 2.0 than Epi....and from my experience performs as well as 10-15mg of Osta. I ran it for 5 months, did something stronger and am back on it.
Joe12
Active member
This made me laugh, anyone that claims a natty product is as strong as any PH is full of it. But that's marketing for you, a sucker is born every minute, lol.