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Donald Trump running for president

Here's a thought:

Is there anything that the Trump supporters here don't support of his?

I've listed the things I agree with so far. Just curious. It seems the liberals in this thread always have to prove their point, but the conservative points seem to be accepted with little argument.
 
Here's a thought:

Is there anything that the Trump supporters here don't support of his?

I've listed the things I agree with so far. Just curious. It seems the liberals in this thread always have to prove their point, but the conservative points seem to be accepted with little argument.

I remember asking you what you disagreed with Obama on, lol.....the difference is Obama was late into his 2nd term when I asked that, trump is just a little over a week in....ask me in 7 years, lol.
 
I remember asking you what you disagreed with Obama on, lol.....the difference is Obama was late into his 2nd term when I asked that, trump is just a little over a week in....ask me in 7 years, lol.
That's true. Why can't you criticize any of his platform or campaign promises, though?
 
in a capitalist system our economy is directly tied to big banks and corporations being successful.....In the past the saying was 'what's good for general motors is good for america'...like it or not we need big business to be successful!!!

I wouldn't blame it on our capitalist system. Fiat currency isn't capitalistic.
 
I remember asking you what you disagreed with Obama on, lol.....the difference is Obama was late into his 2nd term when I asked that, trump is just a little over a week in....ask me in 7 years, lol.

I think since he promoted his first 100 day plan that 100 days would be a good fair initial assessment. I would judge both on what he pulls off and sticks to fighting for. I actually like a very good portion of what he wants to do on the 100 plan, not because it correlates with my political beliefs but rather that is a much better direction for the country and I dont mind compromising for the betterment.
 
That's true. Why can't you criticize any of his platform or campaign promises, though?

there are some promises that I don't think are possible, but I really didn't think he would win election so I am hesitant to underestimate him. then there are some promises I feel he just put out there as starting points-I understand a little about negotiations, you start higher than what you would consider acceptable....I am against enhanced interrogations in general, but think I is something where there might come a time when it would be necessary...some changes certainly need to be made with NATO and the UNITED NATIONS, I hope he is just using negative talk as a starting point for better terms for the U.S.
 
Here's a thought:

Is there anything that the Trump supporters here don't support of his?

I've listed the things I agree with so far. Just curious. It seems the liberals in this thread always have to prove their point, but the conservative points seem to be accepted with little argument.

I disagree with repealing Obamacare without a replacement
 
Yes, it's edited to make it sound the way the conservatives (Cavuto) wanted it to sound.

I'll save you some time:


I watched the video, I did not see anything edited. Obama straight out made it out as if its ok to vote if your illegal and you will be safe.

My original video post for those behind.

 
I watched the video, I did not see anything edited. Obama straight out made it out as if its ok to vote if your illegal and you will be safe.

My original video post for those behind.


I think that's kinda the point, lol.

Here's the unedited transcript (bold is my emphasis):


"In the full interview, it's clear Obama is urging Latino citizens to vote in order to give voice to members of their community who are precluded from doing so by lack of citizenship, not urging non-citizens to vote illegally. Rodriguez's*question seems to be addressing a fear that voting will result in scrutiny on one's family which could result in deportation of undocumented relatives:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."

I need to find the edited transcript as well. It's much easier to compare text to text rather than video to video.

It's why people do that to make it easier to deceive IMO.
 
I watched the video, I did not see anything edited. Obama straight out made it out as if its ok to vote if your illegal and you will be safe.

My original video post for those behind.

And it seems to me that he is saying that if you are legal but you have undocumented family members they won't simply go round them up because you, as a legal citizen, voted.
 
And it seems to me that he is saying that if you are legal but you have undocumented family members they won't simply go round them up because you, as a legal citizen, voted.

Rodriguez considers illegal immigrants citizens and she is stating they are fearful of voting, and it seems she wants confirmation if voters get checked on where Obama assured its strictly confidential.
 
Private health insurance. There ya go
You think Obamacare premiums are bad? Price some private insurance and see how expensive it is.


Also, don't forget that pre-existing conditions make premiums higher as well. If Obamacare completely goes away without a replacement, then some may not even be able to get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
 
Rodriguez considers illegal immigrants citizens and she is stating they are fearful of voting, and it seems she wants confirmation if voters get checked on where Obama assured its strictly confidential.
I guess that's your perspective.
 
RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Of course illegal immigrants should be fearful of voting because its against the law you dimwit!

This would have been far more appropriate.
 
You think Obamacare premiums are bad? Price some private insurance and see how expensive it is.


Also, don't forget that pre-existing conditions make premiums higher as well. If Obamacare completely goes away without a replacement, then some may not even be able to get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

Mine went up along with others in here.

Insurance is just supposed to measure risk and put a cost on it. It a gamble both insurance company and customer agree by choice to put forth a contract on it.

The answer to fix the problem is to make insurance what its supposed to be, insurance....not a health care system. Separate the two and premiums will dramatically decrease...The problem is insurance companies and government created a corporatist health care system back in the 70s and it has become what it is today and on Superdrol after corporate Obama took office.
 
You think Obamacare premiums are bad? Price some private insurance and see how expensive it is.


Also, don't forget that pre-existing conditions make premiums higher as well. If Obamacare completely goes away without a replacement, then some may not even be able to get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

They're only expensive because of regulations, either way privatizing healthcare is the moral choice. Forcing people to pay for something that they wouldn't pay for is immoral.
 
They're only expensive because of regulations, either way privatizing healthcare is the moral choice. Forcing people to pay for something that they wouldn't pay for is immoral.

From my perspective, health care should be a right for all people. Not just the wealthy. In my opinion that is the only moral choice.

I know that you and ax1 are for privatization of practically everything, so I'm sure you disagree.
 
Where is the healthcare reform for Congress and the Senate? From what I hear, they have a sweet deal... why don't we all have the same one?
I guess they're special.
 
Where is the healthcare reform for Congress and the Senate? From what I hear, they have a sweet deal... why don't we all have the same one?
I guess they're special.
What I find so amazing is that Obamacare was based on a GOP plan. If you remember, it was a big deal because Romney implemented it in MA.

They did that in response to Democrats trying to pass universal health care.

The other thing I find amazing is that the GOP has been trying to repeal Obamacare for years, and apparently in all that time they didn't come up with a replacement. Lol. Lazy bastards.
 
What scares me is the international community finding humanitarian issues with Trumps agenda to build a wall, deport undocumented immigrants, etc...

I could see our exports shrinking

Who gives a rat's ass what any other country thinks about us securing our border? Or any other country securing their border. Do you hear countries being all torn up about Mexico's immigration policy? Where you go to jail if you illegally enter.
 
Who gives a rat's ass what any other country thinks about us securing our border? Or any other country securing their border. Do you hear countries being all torn up about Mexico's immigration policy? Where you go to jail if you illegally enter.
I do.

I personally think we need to have good relations with as many countries as possible.

You see, I think that's part of the problem. The "fuçk everybody but America" rhetoric. It's old and tired.
 
From my perspective, health care should be a right for all people. Not just the wealthy. In my opinion that is the only moral choice.

I know that you and ax1 are for privatization of practically everything, so I'm sure you disagree.

People have a moral option to give free health care, and people do and did so much more before government managed care in the 70's...

You DO NOT have a right to other people's services or stealing other peoples money. This in immoral and criminal.
 
From my perspective, health care should be a right for all people. Not just the wealthy. In my opinion that is the only moral choice.

I know that you and ax1 are for privatization of practically everything, so I'm sure you disagree.

I don't thing it should be for just the wealthy either but I don't the it should be given out to everyone for free. It should be fully privatized so they can compete however they can. To make it cheaper, more available for everyone, and better quality.

Destroy minimum wage so people that lack experience can start from the bottom and work up to wherever. Plus certain jobs can carry healthcare for their workers so low paused workers would get good healthcare as a incentive to work for a small amount of money.
 
What I find so amazing is that Obamacare was based on a GOP plan. If you remember, it was a big deal because Romney implemented it in MA.

They did that in response to Democrats trying to pass universal health care.

The other thing I find amazing is that the GOP has been trying to repeal Obamacare for years, and apparently in all that time they didn't come up with a replacement. Lol. Lazy bastards.

Thaths because people in the GOP have Obamacare stocks...the primary hyposhyt being John Boner.

What you see on television and the deals done behind closed doors are completely different.
 
Thaths because people in the GOP have Obamacare stocks...the primary hyposhyt being John Boner.

What you see on television and the deals done behind closed doors are completely different.
True. Boner, lol.

My point is that they had such a hard on to repeal and apparently didn't have enough foresight to deal with the consequences.
 
I do.

I personally think we need to have good relations with as many countries as possible.

You see, I think that's part of the problem. The "fuçk everybody but America" rhetoric. It's old and tired.

I'm "America First" and think "fck everyone else" if it's between America getting screwed or any other country...
 
From my perspective, health care should be a right for all people. Not just the wealthy. In my opinion that is the only moral choice.

I know that you and ax1 are for privatization of practically everything, so I'm sure you disagree.

The problem here is that your perspective involved forcing everybody against their will on your system where as in my perspective Im offering you true freedoms and liberties.
 
You think Obamacare premiums are bad? Price some private insurance and see how expensive it is.


Also, don't forget that pre-existing conditions make premiums higher as well. If Obamacare completely goes away without a replacement, then some may not even be able to get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

Private insurance is so bad because of the regulations in Obamacare. Allow companies t compete across state lines will increase competition greatly.
 
I do.

I personally think we need to have good relations with as many countries as possible.

You see, I think that's part of the problem. The "fuçk everybody but America" rhetoric. It's old and tired.

You're missing my point. How in the hell is a country that has a secure border creating a humanitarian crisis? Remember when the UN put Iran on the human rights council? Really? The international community's idea and definition of humanitarian quality is skewed so far that they only care about advancing their narrative.
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I'm "America First" and think "fck everyone else" if it's between America getting screwed or any other country...

I dont like that attitude either, but often so people (particular liberals) equate all nationalism to "fck everyone else" when that is absolutely not the case....and then it gets worse and label it racism. We have a country, a system with borders just like any other country and this country is 20 trillion+ broke. There is nothing wrong with being a nationalist...when it comes to other countries we can call and trade with them, compete with them, be friends, its not complicated.

You wanna see hardcore nationalism spend a year in China.
 
You think Obamacare premiums are bad? Price some private insurance and see how expensive it is.


Also, don't forget that pre-existing conditions make premiums higher as well. If Obamacare completely goes away without a replacement, then some may not even be able to get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions.

Why do you assume that I don't know any of that...
 
Where is the healthcare reform for Congress and the Senate? From what I hear, they have a sweet deal... why don't we all have the same one?
I guess they're special.

They ran for an office and were voted in by a majority. You talk like they were just randomly selected to get good healthcare plans
 
BREAKING NEWS

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I didn't think Egypt was even on that list from Trump's Executive Order?
Maybe next time the man-child could give people a little heads up. You know, like people whom have to enforce his new orders?

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BREAKING NEWS

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I didn't think Egypt was even on that list from Trump's Executive Order?
Maybe next time the man-child could give people a little heads up. You know, like people whom have to enforce his new orders?

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isn't there a protest somewhere that you are supposed to be at?
 
What do you all think about Trump lifting sanctions against Russia?

Are you for it or against it?
If you are for it, what do you think will come from that?
If you are against it, then same question.
 
What do you all think about Trump lifting sanctions against Russia?

Are you for it or against it?
If you are for it, what do you think will come from that?
If you are against it, then same question.

100% for lifting all sanctions. Sanctions are an act of war. Being friends with Russia is a very good thing.
 
100% for lifting all sanctions. Sanctions are an act of war. Being friends with Russia is a very good thing.

lol..why do liberals think sanctions are good against one country, but bad to enforce immigration against another?
 
I dunno, check the DSM for that one, ROFL!

McCain and leslie graham don't count---sour grapes because trump is pres and dey aint, lol. Rubio-who knows what planet he is living on!!!
 
(K.R.) BREAKING NEWS - President Trump has signed several new executive orders, including:

1. His administration appointees are now subject to a lifetime ban on lobbying the government on behalf of other countries and a five year ban on all lobbying once leaving the administration.

2. A memorandum to the Department of Defense to come up with a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.

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(K.R.) BREAKING NEWS - President Trump has signed several new executive orders, including:

1. His administration appointees are now subject to a lifetime ban on lobbying the government on behalf of other countries and a five year ban on all lobbying once leaving the administration.

2. A memorandum to the Department of Defense to come up with a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.

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2. I guess you can start with stop arming and training them, ROFL!
 
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