Topic of the Week - What's the best fat burner supplement of all time and why?

andrewski48 said:
I'm assuming by effects you mean the stimulant effect? You can always take a break from stimulants for a short time period and come back to them seeing if they hit harder for you after. If looking for changes in body composition, Brite is the best product I have used, stimulant or not. Given I have never used E/C or DNP
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Supernova or Brite to stack with ignit3? Im looking to drop serious lbs.
 
chaossentry said:
Supernova or Brite to stack with ignit3? Im looking to drop serious lbs.
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I've only been on Supernova for a few days so haven't had enough time to comment although there are some great logs on the forum for it. I initially ran Brite for 3 bottles and loved it so much I bought 5 more. Brite is oral Supernova is topical also which may affect your decision.
 
andrewski48 said:
I've only been on Supernova for a few days so haven't had enough time to comment although there are some great logs on the forum for it. I initially ran Brite for 3 bottles and loved it so much I bought 5 more. Brite is oral Supernova is topical also which may affect your decision.
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How long a cycle can both be stacked for,and how long off? Can they be used along side a muscle building stack or would that counteract on days im lifting?
 
According to dsade Brite can be used indefinitely and the longer the better. Brite supposedly works by changing your white fat cells(bad) into Brite cells which exhibit the characteristics of brown fat(good). I believe Supernova can be ran for long periods but do not want to say for sure.
 
livestrong82 said:
Invictus by iron legion?? I'm looking into a good fatburner
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Yes. Like I said. Not a fat burner, but leaned up easier than anything thus far.
And was not trying to lean out.
 
Honestly I can't remember the exact doses. I will look back and see if I can find out.
 
chaossentry said:
How long can i cycle ignit3 with evomuse dcp for? then how many weeks off? I don't know if cycling can or should be done with fatburners,just double checking.
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Usually, after sometime on stims, you should take a stim break. Try 12 weeks on, 4 off
 
I have still not found anything as effective as the original OEP. I don't see why the don't bring it back now that 1,3 is no longer an issue. Please don't refer me to Hi-Tech's clone...been there and it was not even close.
 
Ricky10 said:
I have still not found anything as effective as the original OEP. I don't see why the don't bring it back now that 1,3 is no longer an issue. Please don't refer me to Hi-Tech's clone...been there and it was not even close.
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Gee, it's not like there haven't been issues with USPLabs for the longest time now
 
Clipper83 said:
Gee, it's not like there haven't been issues with USPLabs for the longest time now
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I know. If I recall correctly, they only started having issues when they felt pressured to take out/replace the 1,3. The subsequent versions are the ones that got them in trouble and supposedly caused some liver failure.
 
drorlevi said:
Pro Hormones is best for fat burner.
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In a sense, I know what you mean. You look more muscular/ripped and therefore more lean. Also gives you the extra motivation to workout harder and be more on point with diet etc. Being on a prohormone cycle kind of perpetuates a series behaviors that can lead to fat loss. Of course it can go the other wat too depending on your mindset and goals.
 
Ricky10 said:
I have still not found anything as effective as the original OEP. I don't see why the don't bring it back now that 1,3 is no longer an issue. Please don't refer me to Hi-Tech's clone...been there and it was not even close.
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One thing us old timers did have back in the day was some strong sht....back in the day Syntrax "Adipokinetix" was the strongest fat burner out, stuff was absolutely mind blowing...still better than anything OTC right now.
 
shockrock3 said:
One thing us old timers did have back in the day was some strong sht....back in the day Syntrax "Adipokinetix" was the strongest fat burner out, stuff was absolutely mind blowing...still better than anything OTC right now.
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Hmm..was this pre ephedra era or post? Never got my hands on this one but it does sound familiar..
 
livestrong82 said:
Invictus by iron legion?? I'm looking into a good fatburner
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bigguyn10ec said:
Yes. Like I said. Not a fat burner, but leaned up easier than anything thus far.
And was not trying to lean out.
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livestrong82 said:
How much were you running daily? And how long you use it?
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Invictus does a great job when it comes to facilitating fat loss! realize that nearly everything we do to lose body fat also increases cortisol...if cortisol is too high, fat loss is impossible. So, Invictus facilitates all other methods of fat loss.

plus, it has a myriad of other benefits...it's an amazing product!
 
shockrock3 said:
During....it used 1R/2S Norephedrine. Still is the one ingredient I miss the most.
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Yeah, I looked it up after your post. I am thinking I would have liked that! Nobody puts out anything fun anymore. The fun things are the ones that actually worked the best too.
 
Ricky10 said:
Yeah, I looked it up after tour post. I am thinking I would have liked that! Nobody puts out anything fun anymore. The fun things are the ones that actually worked the best too.
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Yeah man tears were shed...many. I went through tons of bottles...still nothing out there to this day that can compete.
A good read is if u Google "The making of a great fat burner" its on BB.c0m site. Very informative on 1R,2S.
LG put out a product with the same name...don't be fooled, it's 1R,2S Noreferine, not the same. Does penetrate the blood/brain barrier like big brother...not even close.
There are a few chemical company's that make/sell it lol.
 
Cortisol mobilizes fatty acids:

"Cortisol a fat solvent? What are you talking about?"

I know, for those of you for whom this is the first visit to the SuppVersity after years of being bamboozled by conventional wisdom, it will probably sound crazy to call cortisol, "the fattening hormone" that's to blame for your belly and your skinny arms - a "fat solvent". So let's briefly take a look at what cortisol actually does:

#1 Cortisol is a profound anti-inflammatory. It does not cause inflammation, but rises in response to inflammation (the downside obviously are it's immuno-supressive effects).

#2 Cortisol is a glucocorticoid and makes sure that there is alway enough glucose floating around in your system by (a) digging into the fat and protein stores of your body to fuel your acute energy demands and (b) decreasing insulin release and sensitivity to spare glucose (Andrews. 1999).

While those of you who have already been "on" a cortisol inhibitor may have felt the negative sides of function #1 in their joints, few people acknowledge that the inhibition of cortisol and it's ability to increase the lypolytic rate (=release of fat) in adipocytes by 50% and more (Djurhuus. 2002; Cambell. 2011) could actually hamper, not accelerate weight loss while you are dieting.

There is no debating: Cortisol can be a mean bitch, but...

Now, the last four words of the previous paragraph are in fact what's making all the difference here. As long as you give your body the chance to actually burn off the fat that's getting pushed out of the fat cells by cortisol, the effects cortisol has on adipogenesis are nothing to be afraid of (Campbell. 2011). In the unfortunate case you are constantly stressed, overeating and chronically inflamed, however, the chronically elevated cortisol + insulin levels will however create a "perfect" obesogenic storm.
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Djurhuus CB, Gravholt CH, Nielsen S, Mengel A, Christiansen JS, Schmitz OE, Møller N (July 2002). "Effects of cortisol on lipolysis and regional interstitial glycerol levels in humans". American Journal of Physiology. Endocrinology and Metabolism. 283 (1): E172–7.
 
That is certainly interesting to consider. I have read elsewhere (can't remember where) that this is where b-AET is unique in that it does not suppress cortisol, despite what the Invictus write up indicates. The benefits of b-AET are said to offset the side effects of elevated cortisol while actually keeping cortisol levels intact. Not sure how accurate this is though.
 
I am suscribing to this thread given that I am interested on the topic. Have lost 18kg roughly in the last 3 months (despite of the Christmas break!!!) with support first of Lipo 6 Black UC (no Yohimbine) and Ignit3 later. This latest one seems to clearly have given me much better results, although hard to say how much I might have lost without any fat burner. Definitely Ignit3 is a good product that delivers. Have also tried the Bloodshr3d RAW and clearly the energy bost kick in is much much faster and I think has a better appetite supresion effect. Nevertheless I think I read somewhere that Ignit3 is better for fat loss.

So, now is timing to make a new order...should I go again for the same product or is there something better? And if I do Ignit3 again should I stake with F95 as I read in a few places or not recommended?

EC is regretfully not an option for me as buying any E where I live is not possible.

Thanks for your help and ideas!!
 
rodherm said:
I am suscribing to this thread given that I am interested on the topic. Have lost 18kg roughly in the last 3 months (despite of the Christmas break!!!) with support first of Lipo 6 Black UC (no Yohimbine) and Ignit3 later. This latest one seems to clearly have given me much better results, although hard to say how much I might have lost without any fat burner. Definitely Ignit3 is a good product that delivers. Have also tried the Bloodshr3d RAW and clearly the energy bost kick in is much much faster and I think has a better appetite supresion effect. Nevertheless I think I read somewhere that Ignit3 is better for fat loss.

So, now is timing to make a new order...should I go again for the same product or is there something better? And if I do Ignit3 again should I stake with F95 as I read in a few places or not recommended?

EC is regretfully not an option for me as buying any E where I live is not possible.

Thanks for your help and ideas!!
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Id say you cant beat Ignit3. But if you can add DCP and SuperNova to it, you'll be very pleased
 
Not a "supplement" anymore, but easily obtainable OTC, so Bronkaid + a stim-based fat burner or pre, for me (in the top spot). I enjoy a Bronkaid tab (25mg) prior to some workouts with a pre, but always pre-basketball. I incorporate cardio into all of my training sessions unless pressed for time (sprinting the stairs, speed-walking a lap (1/10th mile) on the track between each main set except for burnouts at the end of lifts), but on my dedicated cardio (which is basically just 2+ hours of basketball when I get the chance), this is my supplementation routine:

1 hour pre: CardioTryx
20-15 minutes pre: 1 scoop Max Reps + 3g beta alanine (I take this daily; just dose it here for simplicity's sake) + 1 cap Bronkaid (25mg) + 200mg caffeine or a Monster Ultra Zero + 500mg COP + 1 cap AlphaBurn + 3 caps Cardarine (15mg)
Intra: 2 scoops Xtend Perform + 5g taurine

In terms of endurance and fat loss over time, that is a wonderful stack. A lot, I know, but I take my training pretty seriously as far as being competitive and competing at a high level goes (I'm 31 and love outrunning kids 10 years younger and 70 pounds lighter than me).

Loved OG Alphamine in the AM's at work to sip on throughout the day for energy and fat loss. Big fan of Epitome. Love BRITE and DCP (looking forward to running the new version a bit longer; have only used 2 bottles of it so far).
 
macwad said:
Id say you cant beat Ignit3. But if you can add DCP and SuperNova to it, you'll be very pleased
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Thank you for that I will definitely take a look. You think these are better option than stacking Ignit3 with F95?

If you don't mind me asking which DCP you mean? As I googled it and found a fee companies that have products called DCP so I got confused!

Thanks
 
rodherm said:
Thank you for that I will definitely take a look. You think these are better option than stacking Ignit3 with F95?

If you don't mind me asking which DCP you mean? As I googled it and found a fee companies that have products called DCP so I got confused!

Thanks
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F95 is good, but DCP is way better.
Look for Evomuse DCP.
 
rodherm said:
And what would be the best on in the market TODAY?
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Evomuse DCP, hands down. It's the second best fat burner I've ever used, with Lipokinetix being #1.
 
rodherm said:
And what would be the best on in the market TODAY?
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Caffeine, Ephedrine/Yohimbine and a calorie deficit. Cheap and effective. If you want novel stuff:

Iron Legion Invictus
EvoMuse DCP
Forskolin
EvoMuse Supernova
EvoMuse BRITE
 
ma70 said:
Caffeine, Ephedrine/Yohimbine and a calorie deficit. Cheap and effective. If you want novel stuff:

Iron Legion Invictus
EvoMuse DCP
Forskolin
EvoMuse Supernova
EvoMuse BRITE
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Ok, you got me - ECY is pretty much the most studied and tried and true. I haven't tried Invictus yet. Solid list, IMO.
 
ma70 said:
Caffeine, Ephedrine/Yohimbine and a calorie deficit. Cheap and effective. If you want novel stuff:

Iron Legion Invictus
EvoMuse DCP
Forskolin
EvoMuse Supernova
EvoMuse BRITE
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I can't get hold to any E where I live so that is not an option for me. Funny enough I was just reading about Forskolin and how for many people it did absolutely nothing!

Any reason you are not including Ignit3 and/or Bloodshr3d in the list? Mostlt interested if you tried them and have a comparison point. If not tried then, of course, all good!
 
HIT4ME said:
Evomuse DCP, hands down. It's the second best fat burner I've ever used, with Lipokinetix being #1.
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Based on what I have read in the forum you seem to have tried almost every product out there. So how would you compare Oxymax XT with Ignit3?
 
rodherm said:
I can't get hold to any E where I live so that is not an option for me. Funny enough I was just reading about Forskolin and how for many people it did absolutely nothing!

Any reason you are not including Ignit3 and/or Bloodshr3d in the list? Mostlt interested if you tried them and have a comparison point. If not tried then, of course, all good!
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Well, think what you'd like about forskolin. You've got very objective studies in various dosages that helped body composition. Studies show it is anti-obesogenic and its also very anti-catabolic. There was a study done in people who went on a diet and barely exercised, and while taking forskolin, it prevented LBM loss. Not bad. I don't have it on hand, but a knowledgable past member (mr.cooper69) posted up about it and the study itself.

To me, it's best described as something that keeps your LBM/body fat ratio at it's current state and prevents it from changing in a negative way. People are expecting way too much from natty supplements (especially forskolin I guess because it's sometimes compared to Anavar), or like most members on here, they probably have lousy training/diet habits and want the supplement to do everything for them. Not to mention, it is not actually a fat burner from what I've noticed. I've done 1000 kcal deficits for 4-6 weeks and come out on top with forskolin supplementation, so take that anecdote for what its worth.
 
rodherm said:
Based on what I have read in the forum you seem to have tried almost every product out there. So how would you compare Oxymax XT with Ignit3?
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Ummm....This is a tough call. Ignit3 looks good on paper, gets a lot of love on here, and is from a quality company. But in my experience running 2 bottles...It didnt do anything. I didn't even get much stimulant/appetite suppression from it. I may just be a non-responder. Having said that, Ignit3 does work a lot of pathways and I have been morbidly obese for many years. I may have underlying pathologies that may have made this product less effective. I haven't been to a doctor either in a solid 15+ years so, I don't even have bloods to go on. I have considered buying it again to give it another shot based on the feedback and love it gets here, but I was disappointed. I haven't tried the newer OL burners, but OL is one of my favorite companies so I will one day I am sure.

Oxymax XT I was given a few samples of and I can't speak to fat loss from 2-3 days of use, but it DID certainly give me an improved mood, decreased hunger and mild stimulant effects. Very mild stim. Which I think is perfect. For those factors I would run Oxy again in a heart beat and if I had funds on hand, I would definitely incorporate it more.

As for Forskolin, MA70 hit the nail on the head again. There are very few ingredients I would say absolutely work - but almost all of those ingredients won't show much difference in short time frames (less than 3 months). People expect too much from supplements. Same goes for green tea - lots of data, it works, but fat isn't going to fall off just because you take it.

I have dosed 200 mg/day of Forskolin with high doses of 7-Keto and seen tremendous results that surprised me...But I've also done it at other times and felt it did little. Again, I think it gets back to individual situations and which pathways need work at a particular time in your life/journey. Something that works today may not do much tomorrow when you have that pathway back to being healthy, or vice versa.
 
HIT4ME said:
Ummm....This is a tough call. Ignit3 looks good on paper, gets a lot of love on here, and is from a quality company. But in my experience running 2 bottles...It didnt do anything. I didn't even get much stimulant/appetite suppression from it. I may just be a non-responder. Having said that, Ignit3 does work a lot of pathways and I have been morbidly obese for many years. I may have underlying pathologies that may have made this product less effective. I haven't been to a doctor either in a solid 15+ years so, I don't even have bloods to go on. I have considered buying it again to give it another shot based on the feedback and love it gets here, but I was disappointed. I haven't tried the newer OL burners, but OL is one of my favorite companies so I will one day I am sure.

Oxymax XT I was given a few samples of and I can't speak to fat loss from 2-3 days of use, but it DID certainly give me an improved mood, decreased hunger and mild stimulant effects. Very mild stim. Which I think is perfect. For those factors I would run Oxy again in a heart beat and if I had funds on hand, I would definitely incorporate it more.

As for Forskolin, MA70 hit the nail on the head again. There are very few ingredients I would say absolutely work - but almost all of those ingredients won't show much difference in short time frames (less than 3 months). People expect too much from supplements. Same goes for green tea - lots of data, it works, but fat isn't going to fall off just because you take it.

I have dosed 200 mg/day of Forskolin with high doses of 7-Keto and seen tremendous results that surprised me...But I've also done it at other times and felt it did little. Again, I think it gets back to individual situations and which pathways need work at a particular time in your life/journey. Something that works today may not do much tomorrow when you have that pathway back to being healthy, or vice versa.
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200mg of pure forskolin or overall coleus forsk ?
 
Alex281 said:
200mg of pure forskolin or overall coleus forsk ?
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Forskolin, from 1 gram of 20% extract. No stomach issues at all. Actually, I wasn't even aware Forskolin gave anyone stomach issues until the 95% extracts came out and the only time I've had issues is when using 95%...Either I am strange or marketing is at play.
 
Thanks for the reply HIT4ME

Anyone else who has tried both Oxymax XT and Ignit3 and would be willing to give an opinion on how they compare?
 
HIT4ME said:
Forskolin, from 1 gram of 20% extract. No stomach issues at all. Actually, I wasn't even aware Forskolin gave anyone stomach issues until the 95% extracts came out and the only time I've had issues is when using 95%...Either I am strange or marketing is at play.
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95% gave me the runs, almost all day sitting at the toilet like I'm at the office lol..Anyway, your experience is interesting,I'll try it next time
 
rodherm said:
Thanks for the reply HIT4ME

Anyone else who has tried both Oxymax XT and Ignit3 and would be willing to give an opinion on how they compare?
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Ignit3 is a really good fat burner.Me,my gf,are both happy with the results we get every time we use it.Its kinda strong on the energy side,so I wouldn't stack it with not true non-stim fatburners (I.e. That contains synephrine,octopamine etc)
 
I've been stacking Kor (Inspired Nutraceuticals -- sames guys that make the amazing pre DVST8) and PES Shift with great results.
 
if wanting to go the less gray route have you thought about using t2 and hydroxy elite? we have tested the combination on our team mind and muscle athletes who choose the over the counter route and it works great! another product to add if you or anyone else has loose skin is lipoburn by liquid labs. our older clients we have them spray it each night on their trouble areas ( lower abdomen) and use a neoprene wrap and over time it has been proven to really help.
 
remember the OG redline? that **** was killer. tasted horrid but it was better than the xenadrine rf1 and it was killer too.. never tried the adipokinetics but always wanted to..

also I like how admin stresses "supplements" (we are in the sup section right?) and everyone goes full retard about drugs like DNP and SARMS..
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
remember the OG redline? that **** was killer. tasted horrid but it was better than the xenadrine rf1 and it was killer too.. never tried the adipokinetics but always wanted to..

also I like how admin stresses "supplements" (we are in the sup section right?) and everyone goes full retard about drugs like DNP and SARMS..
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I could make "Supplements" 6 inches high on the screen and people would still bring up drugs...even when I said not to...in the supplement section. :lol:
 
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