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Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
Unbalanced mentally is when people regurgitate over a billionaire being a immature idiot and getting laid but supporting pro-war blood thirsty murdering genocidal leaders as good presidents.
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Tighten it up my man. You're unwinding at the seems.
 
justhere4comm said:
Nothing is wrecked. We are all still here. Nobody making war over twitter... We made it! You and I and all we love hasn't changed.

It will also be ok until the idiot is impeached in a few months, or declared mentally unstable. LMAO. He's effing off his rocker! Gonna be hilarious.
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I guess we should be grateful we don't live in Syria. Obama and Hillary own a piece of the disaster in Syria, imo.

another liberal president is personally responsible for the Islamic state, can you guess who?
 
jswain34 said:
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Aaaand youre full of **** once again.

"One Russian extrapolation presented in 1956 suggested a number of 5,000 to 8,000, but that figure was never accepted by scientists. The fact is that in the 1960s we had no idea how many polar bears there were. Even now, about half of our population estimates are only educated guesses. Back then, the best we had over most of the polar bear's range were uneducated guesses. Polar bear science has come a long way since then.

We do know (and I have published papers on this) that some polar bear populations grew after quotas were imposed in Canada, aerial hunting ceased in Alaska, and trapping and hunting were banned in Svalbard. All of these events occurred in the late 60s or early 70s, and we know some populations responded—as you would expect. Some populations were not being hunted back then (or were hunted very little) and those were probably unaffected by these three actions.

Back then, the sea ice was solid and not noticeably in retreat. With stable habitat, polar bears were a renewable resource that could be harvested on a sustainable basis.

But the most important point is that whatever happened in the past is really irrelevant. Polar bear habitat is disappearing due to global warming. Even the most careful on-the-ground management doesn't matter if polar bears don't have the required habitat."

No shît populations increased after hunting stopped and hunting/trapping were band. That has nothing to do with the effect the FACT that the polar ice caps are melting and the polar bears are losing their natural habitat.
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So back to the point of my post, which you seem to have failed to dispute. My article simply refers to the fact that the administration, and liberals all around the world, predicted that because of the declining arctic ice, the polar bear's were, and will continue to at a rapid rate, die off. When it hasn't happened.

Furthermore, the 97% of the 1200 or so scientists that responded to the particular climate change survey, that is always cited when any lib utters the phrase "97% of scientists agree", hardly makes any kind of majority scienotific consensus.
 
thebigt said:
I guess we should be grateful we don't live in Syria. Obama and Hillary own a piece of the disaster in Syria, imo.

another liberal president is personally responsible for the Islamic state, can you guess who?
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Whatever happened to those "kinetic actions" for compassionate reasons over in what now appears to be the capital of ISIS over there in Lybia? ROFL BUT ITS HUMANITARIAANNNNNNN!!!
 
youngandfree said:
So back to the point of my post, which you seem to have failed to dispute. My article simply refers to the fact that the administration, and liberals all around the world, predicted that because of the declining arctic ice, the polar bear's were, and will continue to at a rapid rate, die off. When it hasn't happened.

Furthermore, the 97% of the 1200 or so scientists that responded to the particular climate change survey, that is always cited when any lib utters the phrase "97% of scientists agree", hardly makes any kind of majority scienotific consensus.
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And I am arguing that you, nor them, can accurately argue what the current population is doing because the scientific community itself cannot even make up their minds regarding the current trend of the population. Which ive said in my last 3 posts if im not mistaken.

And i dont know where you're getting the second paragraph nor have i said anything regarding any of that so ill just leave that alone.

Edit: i will admit that i initially was arguing something other than your point that "obama is wrong again", but i felt that showing the fact that the animal's habitat was decreasing should allow for you to arrive at the logical conclusion that a decrease in habitat would eventually lead to a decrease in population size. Once again, the RATE of said decrease compared to the predictions really doesnt fuggin matter lol. Predictions are just that, predictions. Predictions are rarely 100% accurate, which is why there are intervals and p values in statistics.
 
jswain34 said:
And I am arguing that you, nor them, can accurately argue what the current population is doing because the scientific community itself cannot even make up their minds regarding the current trend of the population. Which ive said in my last 3 posts if im not mistaken.

And i dont know where you're getting the second paragraph nor have i said anything regarding any of that so ill just leave that alone.

Edit: i will admit that i initially was arguing something other than your point that "obama is wrong again", but i felt that showing the fact that the animal's habitat was decreasing should allow for you to arrive at the logical conclusion that a decrease in habitat would eventually lead to a decrease in population size. Once again, the RATE of said decrease compared to the predictions really doesnt fuggin matter lol. Predictions are just that, predictions. Predictions are rarely 100% accurate, which is why there are intervals and p values in statistics.
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Then why do the global warming alarmists proclaim they are always right?
 
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97% of scientists agree myth

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I'll throw this in for entertainment. Of course the liberal politifact proclaims it to be true. They state "97% of ACTIVELY PUBLISHING CLIMATE SCIENTISTS", which is a more accurate but still misleading claim, then a blanket 97% of scientists.

This explains the 97% claim made by Cook that EVERYONE cites. From the politifact article
Cook study

The first is a 2013 study by John Cook, a fellow at the Global Change Institute at the University of Queensland in Australia.

He and his co-authors examined 11,944 abstracts of climate science reports published from 1991 to 2011. Two-thirds of the abstracts didn’t express any opinion about whether man-made global warming was occurring. But among the roughly 4,000 studies that did, 97.1 percent of them "endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming," the report says.

Cook also asked a sample of 1,200 authors of the climate reports to rate their own papers and say whether their research agreed that global warming was man-made. The result was that 97.2 percent of the papers that expressed an opinion about man-made global warming backed the position that it’s caused by human activity.

Cook’s methodology has been criticized.

So 2/3 of the studies over a 10 year period examined DIDN'T MAKE ANY CLAIM THAT MAN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GLOBAL WARMING. Only 1/3rd did. Further into the article, it states that "more experienced" scientists all agree man is responsible and the ones that don't think so are less experienced. Of course scientists that make a living from government funding are going to make conclusions that keep the money flowing. Kind of like those East Anglin scientists.
 
youngandfree said:
Then why do the global warming alarmists proclaim they are always right?
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Because that is their job, to make predictions based on analyzing copious amounts of data and using algorithms. The data doesnt lie, im not saying that 100% of the change is man made (because i dont think 100% is), but the data regarding climate change is undeniable. Although, you're just a bit off kilter if you think man hasn't had an effect to some degree.

Why do global warming critics proclaim they are always right?
 
jswain34 said:
Because that is their job, to make predictions based on analyzing copious amounts of data and using algorithms. The data doesnt lie, im not saying that 100% of the change is man made, but the data regarding climate change is undeniable.

Why do global warming critics proclaim they are always right?
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Plenty of critics claim the data does in fact lie, according to the hacked Anglia emails

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“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

Supports my point that a scientist is going to make conclusions to keep the free grants coming in, especially with an administration that professes the same ideology and has gone overboard to support such ideologies.
 
ax1 said:
Im glad you do, me too! We are not alone in the world in Trump's tin foil conspiracy right winger extremist theory world, ROFL!

50 Top Astronauts, Scientists Sign Letter Slamming NASA For Promoting Man-Made Climate Change Dogma

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Eventually the sham is going to give, and the latest letter signed by 50 NASA experts, with more than 1000 years of combined professional experience, is a sure sign the gig’s about over.

…..unproven remarks…..not substantiated…..hundreds of well-known climate scientists…..tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief…..science is NOT settled…..unbecoming of NASA’s history…..advocacy of an extreme position…..damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA…..even the reputation of science itself…”

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Letters to the top don’t get any more blunt than that.

And how many tens of billions have these crackpots at GISS cost the taxpayers?


Here’s the letter:

March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
3. /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
4. /s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
5. /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
6. /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
7. /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
8. /s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
9. /s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
10. /s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
11. /s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
12. /s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
13. /s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
14. /s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
15. /s/ Anita Gale
16. /s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
17. /s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
18. /s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
19. /s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
20. /s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
21. /s/ Thomas J. Harmon
22. /s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
23. /s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
24. /s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
25. /s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
26. /s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
27. /s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
28. /s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
29. /s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
30. /s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
31. /s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
32. /s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
33. /s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
34. /s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
37. /s/ James Pea**** – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
39. /s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate, 40 years
40. /s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
41. /s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
42. /s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
43. /s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
44. /s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years
45. /s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
46. /s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
47. /s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
48. /s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
49. /s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
50. /s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years
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This article in no way refutes global warming, it simply dismisses the idea that humans contribute significantly to it. That's not the same thing.
 
Jiigzz said:
This article in no way refutes global warming, it simply dismisses the idea that humans contribute significantly to it. That's not the same thing.
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Which is the basis for the entire global warming movement and regulations. What did humans do to melt off 2 ice ages in the past?
 
Are we currently in an ice age...?
 
jswain34 said:
Are we currently in an ice age...?
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No, but somehow there have been several major cycles of global cooling and global warming much worse than anything close to what has been changing over the last few centuries, and humans were in no way responsible for them.
 
Let's think about this global warming may be a man made issue or it may not be one. If it is having a monopoly on oil and coal doesn't help at all. If the market wasn't restricted by regulations other energy companies can come in and run those companies out of business. Also if it isn't a man made issue, then having a centrally based scientific community doesn't help due to political biases and cronyism. So if it was all privately funded by communities then the market can create a solution.

I feel like everyone just argues about how one perspective is better then the other while either acknowledging the faults or blatantly ignoring them. It's is obvious politicians have done nothing to better this country in any aspect, on the market has yet people still call for government intervention into the market and our lives.
 
youngandfree said:
So back to the point of my post, which you seem to have failed to dispute. My article simply refers to the fact that the administration, and liberals all around the world, predicted that because of the declining arctic ice, the polar bear's were, and will continue to at a rapid rate, die off. When it hasn't happened.

Furthermore, the 97% of the 1200 or so scientists that responded to the particular climate change survey, that is always cited when any lib utters the phrase "97% of scientists agree", hardly makes any kind of majority scienotific consensus.
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You can't dispute anything to people like yourself who only see what they want to see on fake news sites like the "Washington Times".
 
Jiigzz said:
This article in no way refutes global warming, it simply dismisses the idea that humans contribute significantly to it. That's not the same thing.
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Thats part a major part of the debate, the primary reason all these global laws and power are trying to be put in place.

As Ive said in the past I have no idea whats really happening and why, but Im not letting big governments come up with solutions that both infringe on people's freedoms based off of inconclusive evidence and lack real solutions as the solutions are ponzi schemes. But...Im all for trying to promote clean up the environment.

Lets just keep in mind as well its well known now that government agencies have hid and concealed statistical data from scientists and the people in order to remove obstacles from their agendas.
 
Let's forget Climate Change for a moment.

Do you really want to invest in coal. Natural gas. And oil? You want to be less self sufficient. I see.
 
justhere4comm said:
Let's forget Climate Change for a moment.

Do you really want to invest in coal. Natural gas. And oil? You want to be less self sufficient. I see.
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Show me a solar system that will charge a Tesla. Take your Tesla on a 600 mile road trip. How are people getting the electricity to charge their high dollar Tesla? That's right, natural gas or coal fired power plants.
 
youngandfree said:
Show me a solar system that will charge a Tesla. Take your Tesla on a 600 mile road trip. How are people getting the electricity to charge their high dollar Tesla? That's right, natural gas or coal fired power plants.
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So there's no need to innovate to create alternative sources of power?
 
justhere4comm said:
Let's forget Climate Change for a moment.

Do you really want to invest in coal. Natural gas. And oil? You want to be less self sufficient. I see.
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Climate change skeptics or whatever people call them are as concerned for innovating energy and cleaning the environment just as much as everyone else.
 
youngandfree said:
Show me a solar system that will charge a Tesla. Take your Tesla on a 600 mile road trip. How are people getting the electricity to charge their high dollar Tesla? That's right, natural gas or coal fired power plants.
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Where have you been? I drive a hybrid and (CR-Z) and I only have to fill up every 2-3 weeks which saves me a ton of money as it is, and resources. I'd love to have a Tesla, and one day will have one. Funny how they were being forced to sell through dealers and not direct because of another monopoly bent on keeping great technology at bay. While gas guzzling crap cars sold. Anti-competition at it's finest.

Why can't people be consistent in their thought process? You have a President Elect who wishes to close our borders, and become more self-sufficient because he will force this through aggravating relationships with huge tariffs. He has no idea of consequences of his actions because he's always bought his way out of troubles. (i.e, $25,000,000 settlement for his scam of a "University".) He got off easy. I wonder how many other times he's settled out of court to make trouble go away?

Be consistent. I outlined a decent start of a plan that would help us become self-sufficient and enjoy our rights! (Both sides of the people's coin) and it would create new industry and jobs that would help us push to the future. Who the heck wants to sty fossil fuels? I don't get it. Renewable energy would be amazing.

It would permit the use of land not normally used in our county to inhabit. You want to go to Mars? How about we create a livable habitat in places like it in our own country? Technology.

We are so very good at brushing our problems under the preverbal rug. (Homeless; Violence; Wealth / Poor Divide; Energy; Infrastructure; Corruption; Environmental Disasters many brushed under rugs (Oil Spills, I have resources), Pollution (Noise as well)) Don't you suffer fatigue if you drive every day to work? The noise alone we have become accustomed too. It's ridiculous. We should not have to suffer like this as a 21st century populace. If anyone disagrees these are problems, please demonstrate how you could consider them to be just fine in your eyes. If you have children, would you want them to grow up the same way you did? Same pollution, no innovation?

(So unexpected in a forum where some people I respect so much wish to make themselves better through innovative supplement and programming technology. We constantly seek to better ourselves... (Ironic)

There are the few details where the Devil lives, yet we ignore because of the infighting about who is right or wrong? You can't solve a problem if you don't acknowledge it exists.

How will things improve under Donald Trump? (Try not to use President Obama as some kind of kicking post to make your point, he was elected and re elected...)

Be proactive. What will he do? (not undo, aside from appointing his son-in-law to a high position as senior advisor... NEPOTISM, what's next?)
 
Misfit28 said:
So there's no need to innovate to create alternative sources of power?
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Remember the $500 million the feds "invested" into Solyndra? That's right, bankruptcy. The CEO got payed and did nothing with it. How many other "green energy innovators" took millions from the feds from the stimulus plan, that was supposed to innovate and create new jobs, are even still around? Very few. So the issue isn't with the innovation. It's the cronyism supported by federal mandate that's the problem. Using federal mandate to push the ideology is the problem. How about Cash for Clunkers? How'd that go? That was a way to pay back the auto makers, and lower the supply of used cars, forcing people to buy new cars they wouldn't have otherwise bought. Of course people had the free will to make the decision to trade their old car. But how about the used car dealers that got hurt because all those used cars were DESTROYED. Not left in the used car or even the salvage markets. But cash for clunkers was a 2 for 1 payback based on ideology. The narrative of eliminating the older less efficient cars made the environment wackos happy, and it helped payback the auto unions that screwed over the automaker share holders during the auto bailouts.
 
youngandfree said:
Remember the $500 million the feds "invested" into Solyndra? That's right, bankruptcy. The CEO got payed and did nothing with it. How many other "green energy innovators" took millions from the feds from the stimulus plan, that was supposed to innovate and create new jobs, are even still around? Very few. So the issue isn't with the innovation. It's the cronyism supported by federal mandate that's the problem. Using federal mandate to push the ideology is the problem. How about Cash for Clunkers? How'd that go? That was a way to pay back the auto makers, and lower the supply of used cars, forcing people to buy new cars they wouldn't have otherwise bought. Of course people had the free will to make the decision to trade their old car. But how about the used car dealers that got hurt because all those used cars were DESTROYED. Not left in the used car or even the salvage markets. But cash for clunkers was a 2 for 1 payback based on ideology. The narrative of eliminating the older less efficient cars made the environment wackos happy, and it helped payback the auto unions that screwed over the automaker share holders during the auto bailouts.
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"Environment wackos". Enough said. Hope you have enough money to buy plenty of masks for your progeny. They're gonna need it.

IDGAF what you think is a "waste". This planet and our children's futures are at stake.

Because I'm a liberal I'm expected to change my views and apologize for the outgoing administration, however I'm sure you won't have any misgivings for what I foresee as a catastrophic incoming administration.

I'll leave it at this: Trump is a madman, and I can only hope that people see this before it's too late.

Peace out.
 
justhere4comm said:
Where have you been? I drive a hybrid and (CR-Z) and I only have to fill up every 2-3 weeks which saves me a ton of money as it is, and resources. I'd love to have a Tesla, and one day will have one. Funny how they were being forced to sell through dealers and not direct because of another monopoly bent on keeping great technology at bay. While gas guzzling crap cars sold. Anti-competition at it's finest.

Why can't people be consistent in their thought process? You have a President Elect who wishes to close our borders, and become more self-sufficient because he will force this through aggravating relationships with huge tariffs. He has no idea of consequences of his actions because he's always bought his way out of troubles. (i.e, $25,000,000 settlement for his scam of a "University".) He got off easy. I wonder how many other times he's settled out of court to make trouble go away?

Be consistent. I outlined a decent start of a plan that would help us become self-sufficient and enjoy our rights! (Both sides of the people's coin) and it would create new industry and jobs that would help us push to the future. Who the heck wants to sty fossil fuels? I don't get it. Renewable energy would be amazing.

It would permit the use of land not normally used in our county to inhabit. You want to go to Mars? How about we create a livable habitat in places like it in our own country? Technology.

We are so very good at brushing our problems under the preverbal rug. (Homeless; Violence; Wealth / Poor Divide; Energy; Infrastructure; Corruption; Environmental Disasters many brushed under rugs (Oil Spills, I have resources), Pollution (Noise as well)) Don't you suffer fatigue if you drive every day to work? The noise alone we have become accustomed too. It's ridiculous. We should not have to suffer like this as a 21st century populace. If anyone disagrees these are problems, please demonstrate how you could consider them to be just fine in your eyes. If you have children, would you want them to grow up the same way you did? Same pollution, no innovation?

(So unexpected in a forum where some people I respect so much wish to make themselves better through innovative supplement and programming technology. We constantly seek to better ourselves... (Ironic)

There are the few details where the Devil lives, yet we ignore because of the infighting about who is right or wrong? You can't solve a problem if you don't acknowledge it exists.

How will things improve under Donald Trump? (Try not to use President Obama as some kind of kicking post to make your point, he was elected and re elected...)

Be proactive. What will he do? (not undo, aside from appointing his son-in-law to a high position as senior advisor... NEPOTISM, what's next?)
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It's not the first time you've expressed this sentiment. As to the gas guzzling cars you hate so much, I guess you don't care about the future of the millions of auto workers Obama claims he saved the jobs of.
 
youngandfree said:
It's not the first time you've expressed this sentiment. As to the gas guzzling cars you hate so much, I guess you don't care about the future of the millions of auto workers Obama claims he saved the jobs of.
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I never stated I wanted to have open borders.

I'm all for progress. No tears for buggy whip manufacturers either back in the day with the advent of automobiles Im sure...

My great grandfather died from black lung as he was a coal miner. We need to move forward. New industry. New jobs.

How old are you? I'm 51 and have more desire for progress than people half my age. Buck up.
 
justhere4comm said:
Where have you been? I drive a hybrid and (CR-Z) and I only have to fill up every 2-3 weeks which saves me a ton of money as it is, and resources. I'd love to have a Tesla, and one day will have one. Funny how they were being forced to sell through dealers and not direct because of another monopoly bent on keeping great technology at bay. While gas guzzling crap cars sold. Anti-competition at it's finest.

Why can't people be consistent in their thought process? You have a President Elect who wishes to close our borders, and become more self-sufficient because he will force this through aggravating relationships with huge tariffs. He has no idea of consequences of his actions because he's always bought his way out of troubles. (i.e, $25,000,000 settlement for his scam of a "University".) He got off easy. I wonder how many other times he's settled out of court to make trouble go away?

Be consistent. I outlined a decent start of a plan that would help us become self-sufficient and enjoy our rights! (Both sides of the people's coin) and it would create new industry and jobs that would help us push to the future. Who the heck wants to sty fossil fuels? I don't get it. Renewable energy would be amazing.

It would permit the use of land not normally used in our county to inhabit. You want to go to Mars? How about we create a livable habitat in places like it in our own country? Technology.

We are so very good at brushing our problems under the preverbal rug. (Homeless; Violence; Wealth / Poor Divide; Energy; Infrastructure; Corruption; Environmental Disasters many brushed under rugs (Oil Spills, I have resources), Pollution (Noise as well)) Don't you suffer fatigue if you drive every day to work? The noise alone we have become accustomed too. It's ridiculous. We should not have to suffer like this as a 21st century populace. If anyone disagrees these are problems, please demonstrate how you could consider them to be just fine in your eyes. If you have children, would you want them to grow up the same way you did? Same pollution, no innovation?

(So unexpected in a forum where some people I respect so much wish to make themselves better through innovative supplement and programming technology. We constantly seek to better ourselves... (Ironic)

There are the few details where the Devil lives, yet we ignore because of the infighting about who is right or wrong? You can't solve a problem if you don't acknowledge it exists.

How will things improve under Donald Trump? (Try not to use President Obama as some kind of kicking post to make your point, he was elected and re elected...)

Be proactive. What will he do? (not undo, aside from appointing his son-in-law to a high position as senior advisor... NEPOTISM, what's next?)
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The real devil is the Federal Government, their raid on Nikolai Tesla's free energy material and maintaining this from the general public for decades....the very Federal Government liberals beg to be the solution to our problems.
 
Misfit28 said:
"Environment wackos". Enough said. Hope you have enough money to buy plenty of masks for your progeny. They're gonna need it.

IDGAF what you think is a "waste". This planet and our children's futures are at stake.

Because I'm a liberal I'm expected to change my views and apologize for the outgoing administration, however I'm sure you won't have any misgivings for what I foresee as a catastrophic incoming administration.

I'll leave it at this: Trump is a madman, and I can only hope that people see this before it's too late.

Peace out.
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Your solution to this "outgoing" administration was more of that administration with Hitlery who IS a madman, so its hard to let it go.
 
ax1 said:
The real devil is the Federal Government, their raid on Nikolai Tesla's free energy material and maintaining this from the general public for decades....the very Federal Government liberals beg to be the solution to our problems.
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It was Thomas Edison with JP Morgan who ruined Tesla. The government swooped in and took all of the great things he created. Read some more and then get back with me.

You guys love labels. "Federal Government Liberals" I cannot comment on such an idiotic statement. It wouldn't matter if the President was a Democrat or a Republican. The government would have taken his belongings (confiscation) in any case. The only thing I care about, is a great man and his inventions were taken from us by RICH: POWERFUL: GREEDY People. I don't feel the need to make any distinctions from one party to the next. This is the downfall of most arguments that follow some party line.

It's like arguing with a teenager in here. Once faced with a logical response they switch topics to something else. In this case it's usually a fall back to attack Obama as if I really cared. 8 years in the office and the US is no worse off than before, even though the Republicans fought everything he tried to put forth. We have a two party system, unfortunately, and the man I supported Bernie Sanders was given the short stick which irritates me more than anything. It would have been interesting to see him lead this country. He's genuine, and a very good person. I can't say that about the other two people in Hillary and Donald. I don't think either worked a day in their lives for another human being.

Enjoy the rest of your discussion on what I have no idea. Bashing Obama, and defending Trump.
Unfortunately we will soon find out what I already know. He's a coward and a scumbag scam artist with a short fuse and a temperament of a teenager willing to flame other world leaders on twitter. My GOD what a twit...
 
justhere4comm said:
Where have you been? I drive a hybrid and (CR-Z) and I only have to fill up every 2-3 weeks which saves me a ton of money as it is, and resources. I'd love to have a Tesla, and one day will have one. Funny how they were being forced to sell through dealers and not direct because of another monopoly bent on keeping great technology at bay. While gas guzzling crap cars sold. Anti-competition at it's finest.
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I drive a hybrid myself...not to save money though, I like the car and originally liked the idea of contributing to the enviornment. You do however needs be honest with the whole situation with hybrids and Teslas and look into how horrible the batteries may be for the environment, even possibly worse so than traditional cars.
 
justhere4comm said:
It was Thomas Edison with JP Morgan who ruined Tesla. The government swooped in and took all of the great things he created. Read some more and then get back with me.

You guys love labels. "Federal Government Liberals" I cannot comment on such an idiotic statement. It wouldn't matter if the President was a Democrat or a Republican. The government would have taken his belongings (confiscation) in any case. The only thing I care about, is a great man and his inventions were taken from us by RICH: POWERFUL: GREEDY People. I don't feel the need to make any distinctions from one party to the next. This is the downfall of most arguments that follow some party line.

It's like arguing with a teenager in here. Once faced with a logical response they switch topics to something else. In this case it's usually a fall back to attack Obama as if I really cared. 8 years in the office and the US is no worse off than before, even though the Republicans fought everything he tried to put forth. We have a two party system, unfortunately, and the man I supported Bernie Sanders was given the short stick which irritates me more than anything. It would have been interesting to see him lead this country. He's genuine, and a very good person. I can't say that about the other two people in Hillary and Donald. I don't think either worked a day in their lives for another human being.

Enjoy the rest of your discussion on what I have no idea. Bashing Obama, and defending Trump.
Unfortunately we will soon find out what I already know. He's a coward and a scumbag scam artist with a short fuse and a temperament of a teenager willing to flame other world leaders on twitter. My GOD what a twit...
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I know that Edison part of the story, thats nothing what the Fed took...now Id like to try to go all in and find out what they have in regards to free energy but Ill end up being murdered by the Fed like the many previous scientists that have tried to do so over the years including Tesla's niece who died by being blown up of self combustion in her own trailer.
 
justhere4comm said:
Enjoy the rest of your discussion on what I have no idea. Bashing Obama, and defending Trump.
Unfortunately we will soon find out what I already know. He's a coward and a scumbag scam artist with a short fuse and a temperament of a teenager willing to flame other world leaders on twitter. My GOD what a twit...
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And you like this guy vvvv ???? Talk about a coward. You have no moral integtrity endorsing a blood thirsty war mongering military industrial complex genocidal lunatic over someone who is a back of the school bus bully and loves puzzy.

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The problem of your definition of no worse off than before is subjective to your worldview, which in fact you do argue liberal points, regardless of your claims. No worse off, then why did my wife lose her part time job at a hospital when the Obamacare employer mandate was set to take affect? Along with every other part time employee, that was working 30 hrs/week. Thy were all made into a PRN classification and scheduled for 20hrs/week max. Since they were no longer counted as part time employees, they no longer counted in the mandate. Then when he feds declared a full time job as less than 40 hrs week, that meant those working part time positions between 30-40hrs/week lost many hours and therefor lost income. Including my household. So I'm glad your green cars make you feel good, but thanks to obamacare my household income went down due to loss wages as well as increased insurance costs. And that's just a starter.
 
justhere4comm said:
He's genuine, and a very good person.
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ROFL! Thanks Obama, your such a GENUINE VERY GOOD PERSON! I love Chairman Mao and Stalin too!

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ax1 said:
I drive a hybrid myself...not to save money though, I like the car and originally liked the idea of contributing to the enviornment. You do however needs be honest with the whole situation with hybrids and Teslas and look into how horrible the batteries may be for the environment, even possibly worse so than traditional cars.
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Maybe like this? It's better than the pollution we are pushing into the environment now. Can you imagine driving down the road and there is no noise? You can actually hear birds singing? or the music can be at a lower volume? Road noise alone. There are many kinds of pollution. I care about the future and the betterment of up and coming generations. I want that for this one, but it isn't going to happen.

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No, don't get me wrong. I love my hybrid (It's sexy) for more than money savings but the initial impetus was money because I was spending $400 month on gas driving 2 hours per day to work at least. Now, I live 3 miles from work, and drive the hybrid. It makes me laugh at how much money I wasted on gas before, but I couldn't afford a decent car back then. The irony has not been lost and it stings.
 
justhere4comm said:
Maybe like this? It's better than the pollution we are pushing into the environment now. Can you imagine driving down the road and there is no noise? You can actually hear birds singing? or the music can be at a lower volume? Road noise alone. There are many kinds of pollution. I care about the future and the betterment of up and coming generations. I want that for this one, but it isn't going to happen.

Closed Loop Tesla Recycling Program
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No, don't get me wrong. I love my hybrid (It's sexy) for more than money savings but the initial impetus was money because I was spending $400 month on gas driving 2 hours per day to work at least. Now, I live 3 miles from work, and drive the hybrid. It makes me laugh at how much money I wasted on gas before, but I couldn't afford a decent car back then. The irony has not been lost and it stings.
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I was talking more about the mining, but I really think we are heading in a good direction overall.

Did you know government regulations will require hybrid/electric cars to make noise either through a speaker or something else in the near future? I think next year or so, but there had been concerns with pedestrian safety so they want cars to always make noise. Actually, it might be for lower speeds but I dont remember for sure of the top of my head.
 
ax1 said:
I was talking more about the mining, but I really think we are heading in a good direction overall.

Did you know government regulations will require electric cars to make noise either through a speaker or something else in the near future? I think next year or so, but there had been concerns with pedestrian safety so they want cars to always make noise. Actually, it might be for lower speeds but I dont remember for sure of the top of my head.
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Don't worry about those deaf people in crosswalks.
 
ax1 said:
I know that Edison part of the story, thats nothing what the Fed took...now Id like to try to go all in and find out what they have in regards to free energy but Ill end up being murdered by the Fed like the many previous scientists that have tried to do so over the years including Tesla's niece who died by being blown up of self combustion in her own trailer.
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JP Morgan and Edison ruined Tesla and were the reason he died alone in a hotel room. Then, his work was raided. I wonder who benefited the most from all of this? I'm sure we won't know. I have an idea however.

Nothing that challenges Big Oil and Energy will come about because of greed and power. You are locked into the grid. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm not going to attack Obama. He was elected twice. It's over. Now we get to deal with the next administration coming in and it is looking like a repeat of history and it's not good. Please stop posting emotional nonsensical posters of death put out by extreme organizations. It's just off putting and doesn't aid logical adult argument. It's rather idiotic and childish. We could discuss the many ways we were baited into wars by our own government and made to look like it was needed based on the greed of the industrial war complex and profit.

I'm also of the opinion we baited Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor by putting so many ships and people based there. There was no reason to lock those ships in at Pearl Harbor. It was an open invitation to attack so we would have good reason to get involved in WWII. Speaking of which, we profited a great deal from that war that cost so many lives. I'm thinking of the Apollo program and a certain German scientist and his team who defected. A man who probably should have been brought to trial for war crimes. The creator of the V2 rocket.

Who of our past heroes would be headed for prison if information like today was available back then instead of so easily covered up?
Some call it, rewriting history, and I might call it righting history.
 
youngandfree said:
Don't worry about those deaf people in crosswalks.
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Deaf people can look both ways. Blind people today have issues even with sounds, but cross walks can be and are modified for those folks. With less road noise, the benefit goes to the blind, and with less vibration, the deaf will also do better to cross.

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youngandfree said:
How about the millions that lost their employer provided insurance because of obamacare? I guess they aren't any worse off are they.
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My wife and I lost our insurance, we were 2 of those millions. We had to sign up for new coverage that costs more but didnt give a single benefit that was better than the plan we had before.
 
justhere4comm said:
JP Morgan and Edison ruined Tesla and were the reason he died alone in a hotel room. Then, his work was raided. I wonder who benefited the most from all of this? I'm sure we won't know. I have an idea however.

Nothing that challenges Big Oil and Energy will come about because of greed and power. You are locked into the grid. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm not going to attack Obama. He was elected twice. It's over. Now we get to deal with the next administration coming in and it is looking like a repeat of history and it's not good. Please stop posting emotional nonsensical posters of death put out by extreme organizations. It's just off putting and doesn't aid logical adult argument. It's rather idiotic and childish. We could discuss the many ways we were baited into wars by our own government and made to look like it was needed based on the greed of the industrial war complex and profit.

I'm also of the opinion we baited Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor by putting so many ships and people based there. There was no reason to lock those ships in at Pearl Harbor. It was an open invitation to attack so we would have good reason to get involved in WWII. Speaking of which, we profited a great deal from that war that cost so many lives. I'm thinking of the Apollo program and a certain German scientist and his team who defected. A man who probably should have been brought to trial for war crimes. The creator of the V2 rocket.

Who of our past heroes would be headed for prison if information like today was available back then instead of so easily covered up?
Some call it, rewriting history, and I might call it righting history.
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I do just want to make sure you know I take Obama's war mongering policies personal on him, not you....I voted for him back in '08 going by his anti-war policies, after 8 years of Bush I wanted a end to all this only to find out Obama was even worse than Bush. He lied just about everything during his campaign. So just make sure you know Im not trying to be too personal with you, I just hate Obama and want him in prison for war crimes.
 
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