hairygrandpa
Legend
Not only applicable for politics -but for every strong opinion one may have, disregarding unreasonable claims.
Donald Trump running for president
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CJNator
Well-known member
I agree with everything she said except objective value.
These two videos sum up Murray Rothbard'd ideology anarcho capitalism, I guess here never did a interview.
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ryane87
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They could find a middle ground, but they don't want to. It wouldn't benefit them.
CJNator
Well-known member
The only people that can find a middle ground are centrists but some people just stick to their own ideology. A nationalist and a communist will not have a middle ground just like a statist and an anarchist would not have a middle ground. There are too many factors in play that would allow a middle ground for everyone. People should be allowed to segregate themselves with people that have the same mind set.
Generally speaking, the main issue is that our freedom too live our lives how we want to are taken away.
ax1
Legend
Middle ground based off of what though? What society calls for between left and right, the so called "bipartisan?"
I think compromising is great, but people get trapped into a certain state of limited mind process based of labeling (left/right and the middle of that) usually after years of indoctrination by the education system and the television.
justhere4comm
Banned
I'm going to watch that video, and do a little research. A few things.
1. I like the direction this discussion is going as it's gearing towards solutions and real beliefs of individuals rather than ad hominem regurgitated from one's favorite television personality or show. The brainwashing in this country is ridiculous. I used to be a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh years ago, so much so, after stopping any media watching for a month and going back, it made no sense to me. It was truly, and is an indoctrination station and personality. I feel this way about both sides of the networking scheme.
2. Free thinking has been my basis for all of my considerations since some time ago. It pleased me to see Barack Obama in the White House, and I truly do admire him and his wife, at the very least, they present a wonderful example of a long family. Do I think he could have done better? Heck yes. Do I think he was blocked at every possible turn, and attempted to communicate and bridge a gap between both parties? Yes I do. I know a good manager when I see him or her, and he's got those great qualities. I also think the game is rigged beyond repair. Not really a stretch when you consider our entire history as a country.
3. I penned and published an article which I just dug up about how we could possibly solve many of our issues. These ideas expressed in this article stem from a variety of sides of the so called aisle of thinking, or is that 'isle' of thinking? It encompasses difficult decisions one must face and the outcomes which might fly in one's initial reasonings. I realize they are controversial thoughts and can be considered as stated before (Utopian), but what is wrong with thinking in Utopian terms? All the greatest minds in history were thinking this way, no? The majority pushes against what they do not understand, until they embrace it later (possibly). Walt Disney? Just the Unirail system alone should present awe and amazement at it's technological accomplishment at the time, and it still does. This kind of thinking is needed, yet pushed down because of a singular one sided belief from either end of the spectrum.
Here is my unchanged article from 2014. Certainly I would update it today with some other offerings and explanations, but will post it here.
My plan to get the USA “Back in Black” queue AC/DC…
The problem in this country is the fact we are so very isolated from one another.
They are fondly called “states”.
We all value our independence, yet we constantly battler against each other, much
to the chagrin of those currently in power. It’s the left versus the right. Sound familiar? Well, here is how I propose to do the following.
1. :. Eliminate violent crime
2. :. Get rid of gangs
3. :. Decrease the spending on the Justice System
4. :. Improve the quality of our power grids and make us more self reliant
5. :. Decrease taxes
6. :. Eliminate the need for paid politicians
7. :. Increase awareness on healthcare and improve the system
8. :. Enrich the lives of our own citizens
9. :. No more homeless people
10. :. Education System improved by 1,000%
How can one man conceive of such an idea?
Easy. I turned off the television news stations, and talk radio people whom get a paycheck for supporting the status quo for one.
Learned to think critically, and apply honest deductive reasoning rather than gut wrenching shoot from the hip values we think are the right ones based on some preconceived notion that one thing or another is going to take rights away, or be considered against our beliefs.
Let me be clear. My ideas are not intended to insult anyone’s beliefs, or lack of belief in a power above our own. It really supports the idea in the realm of a power greater than ours, and is not only forward thinking, it goes beyond any term limits of those in power. This would enrage some people who make their living as a politician, from the town counsel, through to the POTUS.
My solution is DEPENDENT on all of the following happening, and being supported by the majority of the citizens in the USA.
No one solution can stand on it’s own, which is why they are intertwined and interdependent on one another.
Before having that wrenching feeling in your gut, read the entire plan, and then set aside your thoughts on what you think would be destructive, and not productive, because you are wrong. That’s right, you are wrong. If you think you are right, then let the status quo continue for another 200 odd years and see what that brings us. No matter whom is in power, it will remain the same.
1. Criminalize the owning of hand guns and rifles within the city limits, and outlying towns. What! Wait, this isn’t Pre WWII Germany is it? No it isn’t now pay attention. People love to hunt for sport, and for food. I respect and admire that. This is why we would have to remove any restrictions on those wishing to hung or shoot for sport, and give special privileges to those whom do, and designated areas where it would be most conducive to these activities. We put indians on reservations and nobody cared right? How about we do the same for those wishing to use their guns and rifles to hunt and shoot for sport? I would join them. We would cull herds in season, and produce a great deal of food for…
2. Those in need, or ourselves. I don’t know about you, but if you have had wild game meat, it is delicious. What would be so bad about organizing locations for this purpose and if you want to keep the meat, great, it can be butcherers and prepared for the uninitiated so they can partake and enjoy. How about repurposing it for those whom don’t hunt? Invite them to events so they can purchase the meat, and the proceeds go to helping preserve this great aspect of our nation. The right to bear arms and use them. Keep them in your home, and transport them with your credentials to hunting and shooting facilities, just not in our cities. This is the least of our worries, but it would then be backed by very strict laws and punishment. Put the real offenders in prison for a very long time.
3. How and where can we do this? It costs a lot of money to imprison people whom commit crimes? FREE the non violent offenders by legalizing drugs. ALL drugs. Yep, crazy huh? How many people have died from prescription drugs just from the side effects? Let me do what I want with my body, and as long as nobody else is harmed, why do you care? This would rid the streets of those thugs selling illegal drugs, remove a great deal of violent crime from our cities, and those left, would find a nice home in our prisons.. which brings me to
4. Remove the prisons from our cities, and urban areas altogether. Re-task them and rebuild them inside to help our homeless population. It can be done! They would be great sources for temporary housing to help people. Move them to remote areas, and place renewable power nearby so they would be self-powering, and produce more power for outlying areas and neighborhoods. This would be difficult using sustainable power, but here are great sources for wind and water to make it happen. We then have to do something really crazy.
5. Remove all borders and become ONE country. You know, like Germany did when the East met the West? Remember that wall? Do we really need borders with little politicians running things so their ego and bank account can get a boost? How much easier would it be to improve the power grid if we had no borders between states? A force of men and women to patrol open roads, where public transportation could then be developed much faster and easier with a collective of funds across one country. This could work!
6. The money collected alone from legalizing and taxing drugs would be massive, and freeing up prisons for real offenders. What would we then do with this money? Oh my. Ok, how about paying great teachers superstar wages to teach our children and bring us up from the bottom of the world in the three main categories where we rank 24th-27th.
7. Get rid of paid politicians, if you want to really help the country, and your fellow “man” volunteer, and you get to stay for a term limit.
Taxes could be reduced because of self-sustaining infrastructure and power, streamlining citizens pay out to the power grid, and have more money for their own use! Traveling across our county without borders, and really enjoying an eco friendly high speed public transport in the process. There are so many great things that could come from a few basic changes that would sweep across many aspects of our lives, if we only allowed ourselves to truly think without someone being paid to tell us what to think.
Allow me to readdress the drug “thing” again.
Drugs are bad. Well anything that is abused is bad. The money increased from taxes would help those whom did abuse it. AA anyone? and Marijuana is probably the greatest find in history to be prohibited from people dating back to when those in power (DRUG COMPANIES) discovered it’s value. The former head of Scotland Yard wants all drugs legalized. Go to leap.com and learn more.
An educated and people in power of their own destiny as a country is something we have not had since the beginning, and over time it has been overcomplicated with so many power structures internally, nobody really knows what is going on. Let’s cut the fat from our country, make things right, and finally work for a common good.
1. I like the direction this discussion is going as it's gearing towards solutions and real beliefs of individuals rather than ad hominem regurgitated from one's favorite television personality or show. The brainwashing in this country is ridiculous. I used to be a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh years ago, so much so, after stopping any media watching for a month and going back, it made no sense to me. It was truly, and is an indoctrination station and personality. I feel this way about both sides of the networking scheme.
2. Free thinking has been my basis for all of my considerations since some time ago. It pleased me to see Barack Obama in the White House, and I truly do admire him and his wife, at the very least, they present a wonderful example of a long family. Do I think he could have done better? Heck yes. Do I think he was blocked at every possible turn, and attempted to communicate and bridge a gap between both parties? Yes I do. I know a good manager when I see him or her, and he's got those great qualities. I also think the game is rigged beyond repair. Not really a stretch when you consider our entire history as a country.
3. I penned and published an article which I just dug up about how we could possibly solve many of our issues. These ideas expressed in this article stem from a variety of sides of the so called aisle of thinking, or is that 'isle' of thinking? It encompasses difficult decisions one must face and the outcomes which might fly in one's initial reasonings. I realize they are controversial thoughts and can be considered as stated before (Utopian), but what is wrong with thinking in Utopian terms? All the greatest minds in history were thinking this way, no? The majority pushes against what they do not understand, until they embrace it later (possibly). Walt Disney? Just the Unirail system alone should present awe and amazement at it's technological accomplishment at the time, and it still does. This kind of thinking is needed, yet pushed down because of a singular one sided belief from either end of the spectrum.
Here is my unchanged article from 2014. Certainly I would update it today with some other offerings and explanations, but will post it here.
My plan to get the USA “Back in Black” queue AC/DC…
The problem in this country is the fact we are so very isolated from one another.
They are fondly called “states”.
We all value our independence, yet we constantly battler against each other, much
to the chagrin of those currently in power. It’s the left versus the right. Sound familiar? Well, here is how I propose to do the following.
1. :. Eliminate violent crime
2. :. Get rid of gangs
3. :. Decrease the spending on the Justice System
4. :. Improve the quality of our power grids and make us more self reliant
5. :. Decrease taxes
6. :. Eliminate the need for paid politicians
7. :. Increase awareness on healthcare and improve the system
8. :. Enrich the lives of our own citizens
9. :. No more homeless people
10. :. Education System improved by 1,000%
How can one man conceive of such an idea?
Easy. I turned off the television news stations, and talk radio people whom get a paycheck for supporting the status quo for one.
Learned to think critically, and apply honest deductive reasoning rather than gut wrenching shoot from the hip values we think are the right ones based on some preconceived notion that one thing or another is going to take rights away, or be considered against our beliefs.
Let me be clear. My ideas are not intended to insult anyone’s beliefs, or lack of belief in a power above our own. It really supports the idea in the realm of a power greater than ours, and is not only forward thinking, it goes beyond any term limits of those in power. This would enrage some people who make their living as a politician, from the town counsel, through to the POTUS.
My solution is DEPENDENT on all of the following happening, and being supported by the majority of the citizens in the USA.
No one solution can stand on it’s own, which is why they are intertwined and interdependent on one another.
Before having that wrenching feeling in your gut, read the entire plan, and then set aside your thoughts on what you think would be destructive, and not productive, because you are wrong. That’s right, you are wrong. If you think you are right, then let the status quo continue for another 200 odd years and see what that brings us. No matter whom is in power, it will remain the same.
1. Criminalize the owning of hand guns and rifles within the city limits, and outlying towns. What! Wait, this isn’t Pre WWII Germany is it? No it isn’t now pay attention. People love to hunt for sport, and for food. I respect and admire that. This is why we would have to remove any restrictions on those wishing to hung or shoot for sport, and give special privileges to those whom do, and designated areas where it would be most conducive to these activities. We put indians on reservations and nobody cared right? How about we do the same for those wishing to use their guns and rifles to hunt and shoot for sport? I would join them. We would cull herds in season, and produce a great deal of food for…
2. Those in need, or ourselves. I don’t know about you, but if you have had wild game meat, it is delicious. What would be so bad about organizing locations for this purpose and if you want to keep the meat, great, it can be butcherers and prepared for the uninitiated so they can partake and enjoy. How about repurposing it for those whom don’t hunt? Invite them to events so they can purchase the meat, and the proceeds go to helping preserve this great aspect of our nation. The right to bear arms and use them. Keep them in your home, and transport them with your credentials to hunting and shooting facilities, just not in our cities. This is the least of our worries, but it would then be backed by very strict laws and punishment. Put the real offenders in prison for a very long time.
3. How and where can we do this? It costs a lot of money to imprison people whom commit crimes? FREE the non violent offenders by legalizing drugs. ALL drugs. Yep, crazy huh? How many people have died from prescription drugs just from the side effects? Let me do what I want with my body, and as long as nobody else is harmed, why do you care? This would rid the streets of those thugs selling illegal drugs, remove a great deal of violent crime from our cities, and those left, would find a nice home in our prisons.. which brings me to
4. Remove the prisons from our cities, and urban areas altogether. Re-task them and rebuild them inside to help our homeless population. It can be done! They would be great sources for temporary housing to help people. Move them to remote areas, and place renewable power nearby so they would be self-powering, and produce more power for outlying areas and neighborhoods. This would be difficult using sustainable power, but here are great sources for wind and water to make it happen. We then have to do something really crazy.
5. Remove all borders and become ONE country. You know, like Germany did when the East met the West? Remember that wall? Do we really need borders with little politicians running things so their ego and bank account can get a boost? How much easier would it be to improve the power grid if we had no borders between states? A force of men and women to patrol open roads, where public transportation could then be developed much faster and easier with a collective of funds across one country. This could work!
6. The money collected alone from legalizing and taxing drugs would be massive, and freeing up prisons for real offenders. What would we then do with this money? Oh my. Ok, how about paying great teachers superstar wages to teach our children and bring us up from the bottom of the world in the three main categories where we rank 24th-27th.
7. Get rid of paid politicians, if you want to really help the country, and your fellow “man” volunteer, and you get to stay for a term limit.
Taxes could be reduced because of self-sustaining infrastructure and power, streamlining citizens pay out to the power grid, and have more money for their own use! Traveling across our county without borders, and really enjoying an eco friendly high speed public transport in the process. There are so many great things that could come from a few basic changes that would sweep across many aspects of our lives, if we only allowed ourselves to truly think without someone being paid to tell us what to think.
Allow me to readdress the drug “thing” again.
Drugs are bad. Well anything that is abused is bad. The money increased from taxes would help those whom did abuse it. AA anyone? and Marijuana is probably the greatest find in history to be prohibited from people dating back to when those in power (DRUG COMPANIES) discovered it’s value. The former head of Scotland Yard wants all drugs legalized. Go to leap.com and learn more.
An educated and people in power of their own destiny as a country is something we have not had since the beginning, and over time it has been overcomplicated with so many power structures internally, nobody really knows what is going on. Let’s cut the fat from our country, make things right, and finally work for a common good.
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CJNator
Well-known member
I'm going to watch that video, and do a little research. A few things.
1. I like the direction this discussion is going as it's gearing towards solutions and real beliefs of individuals rather than ad hominem regurgitated from one's favorite television personality or show. The brainwashing in this country is ridiculous. I used to be a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh years ago, so much so, after stopping any media watching for a month and going back, it made no sense to me. It was truly, and is an indoctrination station and personality. I feel this way about both sides of the networking scheme.
2. Free thinking has been my basis for all of my considerations since some time ago. It pleased me to see Barack Obama in the White House, and I truly do admire him and his wife, at the very least, they present a wonderful example of a long family. Do I think he could have done better? Heck yes. Do I think he was blocked at every possible turn, and attempted to communicate and bridge a gap between both parties? Yes I do. I know a good manager when I see him or her, and he's got those great qualities. I also think the game is rigged beyond repair. Not really a stretch when you consider our entire history as a country.
3. I penned and published an article which I just dug up about how we could possibly solve many of our issues. These ideas expressed in this article stem from a variety of sides of the so called aisle of thinking, or is that 'isle' of thinking? It encompasses difficult decisions one must face and the outcomes which might fly in one's initial reasonings. I realize they are controversial thoughts and can be considered as stated before (Utopian), but what is wrong with thinking in Utopian terms? All the greatest minds in history were thinking this way, no? The majority pushes against what they do not understand, until they embrace it later (possibly). Walt Disney? Just the Unirail system alone should present awe and amazement at it's technological accomplishment at the time, and it still does. This kind of thinking is needed, yet pushed down because of a singular one sided belief from either end of the spectrum.
Here is my unchanged article from 2014. Certainly I would update it today with some other offerings and explanations, but will post it here.
My plan to get the USA “Back in Black” queue AC/DC…
The problem in this country is the fact we are so very isolated from one another.
They are fondly called “states”.
We all value our independence, yet we constantly battler against each other, much
to the chagrin of those currently in power. It’s the left versus the right. Sound familiar? Well, here is how I propose to do the following.
1. :. Eliminate violent crime
2. :. Get rid of gangs
3. :. Decrease the spending on the Justice System
4. :. Improve the quality of our power grids and make us more self reliant
5. :. Decrease taxes
6. :. Eliminate the need for paid politicians
7. :. Increase awareness on healthcare and improve the system
8. :. Enrich the lives of our own citizens
9. :. No more homeless people
10. :. Education System improved by 1,000%
How can one man conceive of such an idea?
Easy. I turned off the television news stations, and talk radio people whom get a paycheck for supporting the status quo for one.
Learned to think critically, and apply honest deductive reasoning rather than gut wrenching shoot from the hip values we think are the right ones based on some preconceived notion that one thing or another is going to take rights away, or be considered against our beliefs.
Let me be clear. My ideas are not intended to insult anyone’s beliefs, or lack of belief in a power above our own. It really supports the idea in the realm of a power greater than ours, and is not only forward thinking, it goes beyond any term limits of those in power. This would enrage some people who make their living as a politician, from the town counsel, through to the POTUS.
My solution is DEPENDENT on all of the following happening, and being supported by the majority of the citizens in the USA.
No one solution can stand on it’s own, which is why they are intertwined and interdependent on one another.
Before having that wrenching feeling in your gut, read the entire plan, and then set aside your thoughts on what you think would be destructive, and not productive, because you are wrong. That’s right, you are wrong. If you think you are right, then let the status quo continue for another 200 odd years and see what that brings us. No matter whom is in power, it will remain the same.
1. Criminalize the owning of hand guns and rifles within the city limits, and outlying towns. What! Wait, this isn’t Pre WWII Germany is it? No it isn’t now pay attention. People love to hunt for sport, and for food. I respect and admire that. This is why we would have to remove any restrictions on those wishing to hung or shoot for sport, and give special privileges to those whom do, and designated areas where it would be most conducive to these activities. We put indians on reservations and nobody cared right? How about we do the same for those wishing to use their guns and rifles to hunt and shoot for sport? I would join them. We would cull herds in season, and produce a great deal of food for…
2. Those in need, or ourselves. I don’t know about you, but if you have had wild game meat, it is delicious. What would be so bad about organizing locations for this purpose and if you want to keep the meat, great, it can be butcherers and prepared for the uninitiated so they can partake and enjoy. How about repurposing it for those whom don’t hunt? Invite them to events so they can purchase the meat, and the proceeds go to helping preserve this great aspect of our nation. The right to bear arms and use them. Keep them in your home, and transport them with your credentials to hunting and shooting facilities, just not in our cities. This is the least of our worries, but it would then be backed by very strict laws and punishment. Put the real offenders in prison for a very long time.
3. How and where can we do this? It costs a lot of money to imprison people whom commit crimes? FREE the non violent offenders by legalizing drugs. ALL drugs. Yep, crazy huh? How many people have died from prescription drugs just from the side effects? Let me do what I want with my body, and as long as nobody else is harmed, why do you care? This would rid the streets of those thugs selling illegal drugs, remove a great deal of violent crime from our cities, and those left, would find a nice home in our prisons.. which brings me to
4. Remove the prisons from our cities, and urban areas altogether. Re-task them and rebuild them inside to help our homeless population. It can be done! They would be great sources for temporary housing to help people. Move them to remote areas, and place renewable power nearby so they would be self-powering, and produce more power for outlying areas and neighborhoods. This would be difficult using sustainable power, but here are great sources for wind and water to make it happen. We then have to do something really crazy.
5. Remove all borders and become ONE country. You know, like Germany did when the East met the West? Remember that wall? Do we really need borders with little politicians running things so their ego and bank account can get a boost? How much easier would it be to improve the power grid if we had no borders between states? A force of men and women to patrol open roads, where public transportation could then be developed much faster and easier with a collective of funds across one country. This could work!
6. The money collected alone from legalizing and taxing drugs would be massive, and freeing up prisons for real offenders. What would we then do with this money? Oh my. Ok, how about paying great teachers superstar wages to teach our children and bring us up from the bottom of the world in the three main categories where we rank 24th-27th.
7. Get rid of paid politicians, if you want to really help the country, and your fellow “man” volunteer, and you get to stay for a term limit.
Taxes could be reduced because of self-sustaining infrastructure and power, streamlining citizens pay out to the power grid, and have more money for their own use! Traveling across our county without borders, and really enjoying an eco friendly high speed public transport in the process. There are so many great things that could come from a few basic changes that would sweep across many aspects of our lives, if we only allowed ourselves to truly think without someone being paid to tell us what to think.
Allow me to readdress the drug “thing” again.
Drugs are bad. Well anything that is abused is bad. The money increased from taxes would help those whom did abuse it. AA anyone? and Marijuana is probably the greatest find in history to be prohibited from people dating back to when those in power (DRUG COMPANIES) discovered it’s value. The former head of Scotland Yard wants all drugs legalized. Go to leap.com and learn more.
An educated and people in power of their own destiny as a country is something we have not had since the beginning, and over time it has been overcomplicated with so many power structures internally, nobody really knows what is going on. Let’s cut the fat from our country, make things right, and finally work for a common good.
Excluding my ideological reasoning it doesn't seem like a bad plan. They are long videos but I think you should watch the ones I posted, I'm sure you'll like them. The idea of privatizing everything sound pretty horrible and unrealistic but it actually isn't that bad or unrealistic when correlating it with the state capitalism within the US.
muscleupcrohn
Legend
Regarding gun control, what are your thoughts on the following:I'm going to watch that video, and do a little research. A few things.
1. I like the direction this discussion is going as it's gearing towards solutions and real beliefs of individuals rather than ad hominem regurgitated from one's favorite television personality or show. The brainwashing in this country is ridiculous. I used to be a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh years ago, so much so, after stopping any media watching for a month and going back, it made no sense to me. It was truly, and is an indoctrination station and personality. I feel this way about both sides of the networking scheme.
2. Free thinking has been my basis for all of my considerations since some time ago. It pleased me to see Barack Obama in the White House, and I truly do admire him and his wife, at the very least, they present a wonderful example of a long family. Do I think he could have done better? Heck yes. Do I think he was blocked at every possible turn, and attempted to communicate and bridge a gap between both parties? Yes I do. I know a good manager when I see him or her, and he's got those great qualities. I also think the game is rigged beyond repair. Not really a stretch when you consider our entire history as a country.
3. I penned and published an article which I just dug up about how we could possibly solve many of our issues. These ideas expressed in this article stem from a variety of sides of the so called aisle of thinking, or is that 'isle' of thinking? It encompasses difficult decisions one must face and the outcomes which might fly in one's initial reasonings. I realize they are controversial thoughts and can be considered as stated before (Utopian), but what is wrong with thinking in Utopian terms? All the greatest minds in history were thinking this way, no? The majority pushes against what they do not understand, until they embrace it later (possibly). Walt Disney? Just the Unirail system alone should present awe and amazement at it's technological accomplishment at the time, and it still does. This kind of thinking is needed, yet pushed down because of a singular one sided belief from either end of the spectrum.
Here is my unchanged article from 2014. Certainly I would update it today with some other offerings and explanations, but will post it here.
My plan to get the USA “Back in Black” queue AC/DC…
The problem in this country is the fact we are so very isolated from one another.
They are fondly called “states”.
We all value our independence, yet we constantly battler against each other, much
to the chagrin of those currently in power. It’s the left versus the right. Sound familiar? Well, here is how I propose to do the following.
1. :. Eliminate violent crime
2. :. Get rid of gangs
3. :. Decrease the spending on the Justice System
4. :. Improve the quality of our power grids and make us more self reliant
5. :. Decrease taxes
6. :. Eliminate the need for paid politicians
7. :. Increase awareness on healthcare and improve the system
8. :. Enrich the lives of our own citizens
9. :. No more homeless people
10. :. Education System improved by 1,000%
How can one man conceive of such an idea?
Easy. I turned off the television news stations, and talk radio people whom get a paycheck for supporting the status quo for one.
Learned to think critically, and apply honest deductive reasoning rather than gut wrenching shoot from the hip values we think are the right ones based on some preconceived notion that one thing or another is going to take rights away, or be considered against our beliefs.
Let me be clear. My ideas are not intended to insult anyone’s beliefs, or lack of belief in a power above our own. It really supports the idea in the realm of a power greater than ours, and is not only forward thinking, it goes beyond any term limits of those in power. This would enrage some people who make their living as a politician, from the town counsel, through to the POTUS.
My solution is DEPENDENT on all of the following happening, and being supported by the majority of the citizens in the USA.
No one solution can stand on it’s own, which is why they are intertwined and interdependent on one another.
Before having that wrenching feeling in your gut, read the entire plan, and then set aside your thoughts on what you think would be destructive, and not productive, because you are wrong. That’s right, you are wrong. If you think you are right, then let the status quo continue for another 200 odd years and see what that brings us. No matter whom is in power, it will remain the same.
1. Criminalize the owning of hand guns and rifles within the city limits, and outlying towns. What! Wait, this isn’t Pre WWII Germany is it? No it isn’t now pay attention. People love to hunt for sport, and for food. I respect and admire that. This is why we would have to remove any restrictions on those wishing to hung or shoot for sport, and give special privileges to those whom do, and designated areas where it would be most conducive to these activities. We put indians on reservations and nobody cared right? How about we do the same for those wishing to use their guns and rifles to hunt and shoot for sport? I would join them. We would cull herds in season, and produce a great deal of food for…
2. Those in need, or ourselves. I don’t know about you, but if you have had wild game meat, it is delicious. What would be so bad about organizing locations for this purpose and if you want to keep the meat, great, it can be butcherers and prepared for the uninitiated so they can partake and enjoy. How about repurposing it for those whom don’t hunt? Invite them to events so they can purchase the meat, and the proceeds go to helping preserve this great aspect of our nation. The right to bear arms and use them. Keep them in your home, and transport them with your credentials to hunting and shooting facilities, just not in our cities. This is the least of our worries, but it would then be backed by very strict laws and punishment. Put the real offenders in prison for a very long time.
3. How and where can we do this? It costs a lot of money to imprison people whom commit crimes? FREE the non violent offenders by legalizing drugs. ALL drugs. Yep, crazy huh? How many people have died from prescription drugs just from the side effects? Let me do what I want with my body, and as long as nobody else is harmed, why do you care? This would rid the streets of those thugs selling illegal drugs, remove a great deal of violent crime from our cities, and those left, would find a nice home in our prisons.. which brings me to
4. Remove the prisons from our cities, and urban areas altogether. Re-task them and rebuild them inside to help our homeless population. It can be done! They would be great sources for temporary housing to help people. Move them to remote areas, and place renewable power nearby so they would be self-powering, and produce more power for outlying areas and neighborhoods. This would be difficult using sustainable power, but here are great sources for wind and water to make it happen. We then have to do something really crazy.
5. Remove all borders and become ONE country. You know, like Germany did when the East met the West? Remember that wall? Do we really need borders with little politicians running things so their ego and bank account can get a boost? How much easier would it be to improve the power grid if we had no borders between states? A force of men and women to patrol open roads, where public transportation could then be developed much faster and easier with a collective of funds across one country. This could work!
6. The money collected alone from legalizing and taxing drugs would be massive, and freeing up prisons for real offenders. What would we then do with this money? Oh my. Ok, how about paying great teachers superstar wages to teach our children and bring us up from the bottom of the world in the three main categories where we rank 24th-27th.
7. Get rid of paid politicians, if you want to really help the country, and your fellow “man” volunteer, and you get to stay for a term limit.
Taxes could be reduced because of self-sustaining infrastructure and power, streamlining citizens pay out to the power grid, and have more money for their own use! Traveling across our county without borders, and really enjoying an eco friendly high speed public transport in the process. There are so many great things that could come from a few basic changes that would sweep across many aspects of our lives, if we only allowed ourselves to truly think without someone being paid to tell us what to think.
Allow me to readdress the drug “thing” again.
Drugs are bad. Well anything that is abused is bad. The money increased from taxes would help those whom did abuse it. AA anyone? and Marijuana is probably the greatest find in history to be prohibited from people dating back to when those in power (DRUG COMPANIES) discovered it’s value. The former head of Scotland Yard wants all drugs legalized. Go to leap.com and learn more.
An educated and people in power of their own destiny as a country is something we have not had since the beginning, and over time it has been overcomplicated with so many power structures internally, nobody really knows what is going on. Let’s cut the fat from our country, make things right, and finally work for a common good.
-Thomas Jefferson, 1764 (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in “On Crimes and Punishment”)
If you could magically get rid of every gun, then yeah, you'd have a point, and it'd probably be a good idea, but it just isn't feasible, at all. Who is going to turn in their guns and obey gun laws? By definition, criminals are not going to obey these laws. Do you really think gang members, criminals and thugs who are willing to rape, murder, and steal, are going to turn in their guns when they're outlawed? I think not. The problem with outlawing firearms is that it may serve to only effectively disarm lab-abiding citizens, people who weren't the ones who were going to commit the crimes in the first place. Using Native American reservations as justification is rather humorous, as if serious, would be justifying future injustices with past injustices. Look at cities like Chicago, which already have restrictive gun control policies, but rampant crime. People often cite Australia when talking about gun control (I'm not going to get into why it's still not all sunshine and rainbows regarding crime there), but neglect some important differences in America and Australia. America has had a massive gun culture for a long time, and there are already a plethora of guns in circulation, both in the hands of law abiding citizens (who would likely turn their guns in), and criminals (who, by definition, would not turn their guns in). Granted, you could gradually eliminate the supply of criminal-owned guns by seizing them whenever a crime is committed with them, but that's a rather slow process that, despite the proactive nature of gun bans, is reactive in nature.
What I think makes the most sense regarding gun control, and is "common sense" gun control, as liberals (I'm not a conservative, don't worry) like to say would be increasing the penalties for gun-related crimes. First, it may help convince people not to commit a crime if the penalty is much more severe. Additionally, it would keep gun-wielding criminals (who are, by nature, potential killers, no?), especially repeat offenders, off the streets and not a danger to law-abiding citizens. However, I've often seen Democrats not vote for increasing the penalties for gun-related crimes, potentially because it would cost them votes, as potential voters see it as something that could result in them and/or friends and/or family going to jail for a longer period of time. Just my $0.02, and not nearly my full opinion on the issue, as I have written much more on the topic, as well as analyzed the statistics of gun control and crime rates in various countries. Lets just say there are A LOT of misconceptions regarding guns and crime, much of which is perpetuated by the media.
Now, regarding legalizing drugs, I agree. I'm not saying drugs are good or healthy, because they're not, but are we really keeping anyone from using them, or are we just creating a dangerous environment for people who do use while simultaneously creating violent and profitable gangs and cartels? I'm in South Florida, close to Delray Beach, which is perhaps the recovery capital of the country, and several people often die in a single day from impure drugs. Not a normal overdose, but impurities and additions to the drugs. Legalization would make it safer for anyone who does use, for a few reasons. First, you have a better assurance of quality if you're buying from a legitimate store/business than from your friendly neighborhood drug dealer, and you may even have COAs, product testing, and whatnot (think about steroids here; is it generally safer to buy from a pharmacy or some guy's backpack in the locker room at the gym). Second, you're also less likely to be shot or otherwise harmed buying drugs legally from a legitimate business than you are arranging a pick up with a dealer/cartel. Hell, look at how Prohibition worked out. The only thing it really did is fix our organized crime shortage.
Aleksandar37
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So what about gun laws and deaths in Chicago? I'm not saying that gun laws will never work, but I won't be convinced until somebody can explain Chicago. Whenever I bring it up, gun law proponents brush it off as an anomaly or an outlier, rather than seeing it as a real life, failed experiment of what they are proposing.
muscleupcrohn
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That's a valid point I mentioned in my last post. Perhaps increasing the penalties for gun-related crimes would be a start. For one, it may help prevent some crimes (20 years in prison is more prohibitive than 2), but it will also, at the least, keep violent criminals, especially repeat offenders, off the streets and therefore unable to commit future crimes with guns. I forgot the exact numbers, but in many cities, a shocking (but not entirely surprising) percent of violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders. Once you point a gun at someone, forget shoot them, how many chances are you going to get? Increasing the penalties for gun related crimes would also not negatively impact law-abiding citizens from bearing arms, which is a good thing. Also, perhaps you can still increase the penalties farther for crimes committed with high-capacity magazine, assault rifles (which is different than the completely fabricated term "assault weapons," which is a nebulous term based entirely on superficial criteria) could also help prevent them from being used in crimes, but not make criminals out of law-abiding citizens who have a higher-capacity firearm (even something like a Glock would qualify as "high-capacity" due to a >10 round magazine capacity).
ryane87
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I believe the majority of the killings in in Chicago is happening on the south side. I know justhere4comm has family in Chicago, but if you know anything about it, you know the south side is a cesspool and much worse off than any other part of the city. It is also the most impoverished. Also, there is also a lot of gang activity, which boosts the shooting deaths up even further. I don't know about you, but if I am a law abiding citizen, I will be carrying in that area simply for self protection. I like the thought of some of these ideas, but overall it is going to be very hard to pull people from where they are to make changes. About the only way I see things changing is that enough people get pissed and finally revolt against the way things are. Wages not increasing the same way that inflation is rising, among other things. People just getting mad when they finally realize they are only payed attention to when someone needs a vote.
muscleupcrohn
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That's the thing, the gang members aren't going to hand in their guns if they're outlawed. If they're breaking the most serious laws, and committing the most heinous crimes, why would they obey the comparatively trivial laws of illegally possessing a firearm? A potentially bad scenario that could result from a gun ban would be disarming law abiding citizens, while doing nothing to stop criminals from having and using guns, thus creating more potential victims and making it easier for criminals to take advantage of these unarmed citizens. You can't just say "if you want to own a gun, go quit your job/career, sell your house(s) and go live here." It just doesn't make sense. Not everyone who owns a gun wants it to hunt, and not everyone who owns a gun can afford to just up and leave their life behind just so they can own a gun (talking about justhere4's idea). What if you're just someone who wants some protection in your home, so you have a shotgun or a pistol by your bed? Go live off the land as a hunter on a reserve. Wait, what? Justifying it by saying we had reservations is hilarious though. We also had slavery, and segregation, and Internment camps, and women couldn't always vote. Of course, those were all terrible things, but we should aim to never repeat them, or do anything similar, not use them to justify future transgressions.
On a lighter note, has anyone heard Chris Rock's comedy skit on "bullet control?"
Aleksandar37
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That's where I'm from and spent 37 years. Have you ever actually been?
Aleksandar37
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So maybe I'm not following your plan. Aren't you showing the huge issue with what you proposed in your post before this? Increasing the penalty isn't going to deter somebody that has no regard for any laws.
ryane87
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Yep. Lived outside there for about 3 years.
Aleksandar37
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Where?
ryane87
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NW Indiana. I was only about 20-25 minutes from Chicago. Ex-wife's grand parents lived in Orland Park. That was a nice spot...haha
muscleupcrohn
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I'm primarily saying that banning guns may only disarm law abiding citizens. It is possible that harsher penalties for committing gun related crimes wouldn't do much to deter hardened criminals, but it, at the least, doesn't harm and weaken law abiding citizens like an outright ban would. Also, even if doesn't deter criminals, it'll keep violent, gun wielding criminals, especially repeat offenders, off the streets, posing less danger to law abiding citizens. It's far from perfect, but it's a "common sense" start I suppose.
thebigt
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gun control laws are not keeping up with the times...in a few years kids in basements will be putting out guns on 3d printers that won't be detectable by metal detectors....geez, the government is at least 10 years behind technology where public safety is concerned----rather that is intentional or neglectful is up for debate......?
youngandfree
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More fake news by the Obama gang. Saying polar bears are declining because of global warming, yet the polar bear scientists say the populations are actually going up.
More fake news by the Obama gang. Saying polar bears are declining because of global warming, yet the polar bear scientists say the populations are actually going up.
thebigt
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been averaging 15 degrees below normal temp for the last week....could use some global warming!!!
justhere4comm
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Temperature and Climate are different things. Smh.
thebigt
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warm is warm and cold is cold...where does it say global cooling?
jswain34
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Aaaand youre full of **** once again.
"One Russian extrapolation presented in 1956 suggested a number of 5,000 to 8,000, but that figure was never accepted by scientists. The fact is that in the 1960s we had no idea how many polar bears there were. Even now, about half of our population estimates are only educated guesses. Back then, the best we had over most of the polar bear's range were uneducated guesses. Polar bear science has come a long way since then.
We do know (and I have published papers on this) that some polar bear populations grew after quotas were imposed in Canada, aerial hunting ceased in Alaska, and trapping and hunting were banned in Svalbard. All of these events occurred in the late 60s or early 70s, and we know some populations responded—as you would expect. Some populations were not being hunted back then (or were hunted very little) and those were probably unaffected by these three actions.
Back then, the sea ice was solid and not noticeably in retreat. With stable habitat, polar bears were a renewable resource that could be harvested on a sustainable basis.
But the most important point is that whatever happened in the past is really irrelevant. Polar bear habitat is disappearing due to global warming. Even the most careful on-the-ground management doesn't matter if polar bears don't have the required habitat."
No shît populations increased after hunting stopped and hunting/trapping were band. That has nothing to do with the effect the FACT that the polar ice caps are melting and the polar bears are losing their natural habitat.
jswain34
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jswain34
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Im not a liberal. Im just not completely ignorant to the scientific evidence as some other repubs are. Why dont you take the time to read the link instead of posting some nonsense name calling bs? Educate yourself a little bit.
ax1
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Wikileaks showed how data had been hidden and manipulated by big special interests from scientists back during the major Copenhagen conference. Hard to believe anything posted from scientists at this point unless they are using their own independent data then thats a step better.
What I do know for a fact is that there are trillions of dollars to gain and major global powers at stake, one reason I hope Dump is sincere with is anti-climate change policies.
What I do know for a fact is that there are trillions of dollars to gain and major global powers at stake, one reason I hope Dump is sincere with is anti-climate change policies.
thebigt
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lol...I bet you could purchase a sense of humor at amazon for a decent price, you should look into that!!!:dance:
jswain34
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Would you think it was funny if i called you a liberal and made a comment insinuating that you hated the US? Lol.
justhere4comm
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Because with Global Warming one can experience Colder Winters. Don't take my word for it. I'm not a scientist, but I do trust Invalid Link Removed over a real estate con man and a complete idiot who openly mocked a Invalid Link Removed How on earth anyone can believe a word that piece of human trash says or voted for him is beyond my comprehension.
ax1
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Im glad you do, me too! We are not alone in the world in Trump's tin foil conspiracy right winger extremist theory world, ROFL!
50 Top Astronauts, Scientists Sign Letter Slamming NASA For Promoting Man-Made Climate Change Dogma
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Eventually the sham is going to give, and the latest letter signed by 50 NASA experts, with more than 1000 years of combined professional experience, is a sure sign the gig’s about over.
…..unproven remarks…..not substantiated…..hundreds of well-known climate scientists…..tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief…..science is NOT settled…..unbecoming of NASA’s history…..advocacy of an extreme position…..damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA…..even the reputation of science itself…”
Letters to the top don’t get any more blunt than that.
And how many tens of billions have these crackpots at GISS cost the taxpayers?
Here’s the letter:
March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001
Dear Charlie,
We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.
The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.
As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.
For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.
Thank you for considering this request.
Sincerely,
(Attached signatures)
CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center
Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.
1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
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35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
37. /s/ James Pea**** – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
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justhere4comm
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Nope. Sorry. Try again.
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youngandfree
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Polar ice caps haven't receded the way the alarmists have predicted, and the populations have increased in the face of those irrational predictions. So using population increases due to hunting restrictions 40-50 years ago to dismiss the present day scientists is pointless.
Secondarily, if the sea ice that's so necessary for the population to survive, is in fact declining so fast, why isn't the population going down, proportional to the sea ice degredation?
thebigt
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I would think it was hilarious, it would be like calling a 7 foot giant 'tiny', lol.
thebigt
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it's gonna be a tough 4 years for ya, lol....they have medication for depression, you might look into it!!
ax1
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Obama has murdered and slaughtered more disabled people with his love drones and bombs of compassion far, far more than Dump being an idiot and making fun of one.
justhere4comm
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He's not my president, you own that one, so I feel sorry for you. It's going to be painful for you to watch. Thankfully we have a number of checks and balances in place to keep him from wrecking everything... Me? I'll be just fine. Thanks! lol.
jswain34
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Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
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"Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for December is 44,500 square kilometers (17,200 square miles) per year, or 3.4 percent per decade.
While daily extents for December 2016 were at record lows, based on the method employed by NSIDC, the monthly average extent for December 2016 was slightly higher than that recorded for December 2010, the record low December in the satellite record. The monthly average extent for the month of December is higher than the month’s average of daily extents because of the way in which the Sea Ice Index algorithm calculates the monthly extent..."
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Although I dont know what the predictions were, I am unsure as to why that means anything in this case when the data obviously shows a decrease. So what if it isnt AS bad as what people were predicting, it is still happening.
And I didnt dismiss any present day scientists lol. I showed you a link with a "present day scientist" stating that in the past the predictions were uneducated guesses and that, even at present day, our best population estimates are only educated guesses. Then he goes on to state "polar bear habitat is disappearing", which I just showed you above.
jswain34
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Lol, fair enough!
justhere4comm
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thebigt
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where were those checks and balances the last 8 years, lol....
justhere4comm
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Nothing is wrecked. We are all still here. Nobody making war over twitter... We made it! You and I and all we love hasn't changed.
It will also be ok until the idiot is impeached in a few months, or declared mentally unstable. LMAO. He's effing off his rocker! Gonna be hilarious.
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ax1
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You support Obama who is a war mongering tyrannical dictator, yet you think Dump is bad? There is no moral integrity here.
ax1
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ROFL! Gotta love the hypocrisy of Obama loving liberals who come up with nothing but excuses for death and terror globally but have a problem with some Billionare getting laid and having some idiot moments.
The truth is 2017-2020 will be the years liberals turn wars of compassion back again to where they were during 8 years of bush when they were what they are supposed to be, wars of atrocities.
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youngandfree
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Considering the article I posted wasn't centered on sea ice decreases, I don't know why your panties are all knotted up. The article was referencing claims that were made by the administration predicting polar bear populations DECREASING as a result of sea ice decreases. The article clearly states that in the face of those decreases, the polar bear populations have INCRRASED, not decreased in any proportional manner.
ax1
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Unbalanced mentally is when people regurgitate over a billionaire being a immature idiot and getting laid but supporting pro-war blood thirsty murdering genocidal leaders as good presidents.
jswain34
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All im saying is ive just looked at about 6 different organization's sites with scientists speaking about polar bear population and whether it is increasing or decreasing and they all seem to say that they really have no idea and the best they can do is come up with a range of between 20-32,000 polar bears world wide based on sampling 14 different subpopulations. One other link stated that experts within the community are often separated in belief whether polar bears are "on the verge of going extinct" or "an environmental success story". I am not arguing one way or the other, simply stating that if the animal's habitat continues to trend downward (which, as above, it obviously is), the future of the species cannot look promising. So really we should be worrying about the loss of the animal's habitat, from global warming, versus worrying about what the trend in the population is doing at this exact time.
This is all based on the fact that the scientists which study these animals for a living cannot come to a consensus on the current trend of the total population.