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Browndog

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Can any of the more experienced blokes run an eye over my planned Test E cycle with Sd kickstart please :feedback:

(I've tried to put a question mark at any area I'm not sure which is the best way to go, any constructive criticism would be appreciated)

I will preload the below supplements for 2 weeks before starting and continue while until after PCT:
-CoQ10 (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
-Vitamin B5 (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
-Arm1care Pro (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
-Vitamin C
-Multivitamin
-Fish Oil
-Glutamine
-Cissus (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
-Hawthorne Berries (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
-Tudca (ending 1 week after last dose of SD)
- Red Yeast Rice ???

The Cycle:

- SD (GP): 10/10/10/10 or 10/20/20 ??? dosed Pre-workout ???
- Test E: 12 Weeks @ 500mg dosed 250every Mon & Thurs (Any time inparticular???)
- Aromasin (Exemastane): 6.25mg ED or 12.5mg EOD ??? (Only have enough to run the full 12weeks plus 2 weeks after last pin)

- Is there anything/bridge I need to do after having last dose of Sd ???

PCT: (Started 2 weeks after last pin)

- Clomid - 50/50/25/25 (Dosing time???)
- Nolva - 20/20/10/10 (Dosing time???)
- Spartan (Trojan PCT) - 5 Caps per day (Dose in 2 doses per day or ???)
- I also have some OL Estrogenix Depot, should I run this through PCT & 2 weeks post ??? I would prefer to continue with the Aromasin but I don't have enough and thought this would be better then nothing ???.
- Do I need to add in a cortisol control ???
- Creatine preload started day after last pin and continued as usual

I will not be running this until after surgery and regaining all strength, I just want to have everything sorted well before hand.

Expected criteria will be followed and on point whilst on cycle and for several months post pct, ie; No alcohol, Diet, Routine,Water, Sleep, Stress.

Rough Details right now for anyone curious:

- Height: 171cm (5' 6")
- Weight: 85kg (187lb)
- Age: 29
- BF: 17%

I can provide more details if needed and as already mentioned thanks to anyone that lends a hand and can help out on the finer details. :hail:
Cheers.
 
Jesus that's a lot of stuff. Think I'd die choking on all the pills every morning. A lot of guys know much more about this stuff than I do, but I know a little so I'll try to help out. Seems you already know SD is liver toxic, the Armicare with extra TUDCA should cover you on that front.

I think an extra week at 10mg of SD is better than cutting out a week and bumping to 20, I could be wrong tho. Also test e takes 3-4 weeks to really kick in so consider that as well.

Pinning your test e is whenever is convenient as long as you remember to do it; I pinned every mon Wednesday and Friday right when I woke up.

On cycle you really should have extra Aromasin and nolva on hand in case you get gyno symptoms. Rather be safe than sorry. 12.5 eod will work fine unless it's easier for you to do 6.25 and not forget a dose.

Pct looks good, standard dosing right there. I took my clomid and nolva in the morning right when I woke up, but some people say clomid makes them feel like ass so they take it at night. Up to you really just don't forget to take it.

Your spartan pct should have you covered for cortisol control (I believe).

Seriosuly reccomend having extra AI and SERM on hand for gyno issues.
 
Simplify. Seriously lol.

Test e with a SD kickstart is pretty basic man. It's simple: have an AI on hand, SERM ready for PCT, something like CEL Cycle Assist for on cycle support or CEL TUDCA if you really are scared, and then maybe a natty t booster to help during PCT. You don't need all that other crap. Liver damage is extremely overblown on these forums and others, and health concerns on basic AAS cycles are overblown as well.
 
Cheers for the replies lads, I agree that the otc stuff seems over the top but from what I've seen most guys recommending for high bp, back pumps, liver care, bad cholesterol etc, that this was the best to take, definitely agree it seems alot lol but being in Aus that's the cheapest stuff compared to everything else so wasn't to fussed on that. I find it crazy that it doesn't matter how many years you read about everything and try piece together all the information from different opinions versus studies and facts, that I can never find solid info that even the experienced guys agree on. Definitely have spare nolva on hand man, will look at getting more aromasin too. I thought keeping your e levels and free test etc etc in check by dosing your AI instead of just keeping it on hand was preferred? Will add epic unleashed in or something too cheers
 
IMO, keys too a successful cycle are this:

1) have everything you need on hand before you start

2) dont start throwing in supplements until they become necessary (example: no need to run a AI from the get-go, you may find that you dont even need it, if gyno starts to show (itchy nipples ex) then add it in)


Like i said, this is my opinion. Been doing this for 10 years and i only speak from personal experience. Good luck!
 
nosnmiveins said:
IMO, keys too a successful cycle are this:

1) have everything you need on hand before you start

2) dont start throwing in supplements until they become necessary (example: no need to run a AI from the get-go, you may find that you dont even need it, if gyno starts to show (itchy nipples ex) then add it in)


Like i said, this is my opinion. Been doing this for 10 years and i only speak from personal experience. Good luck!
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I agree with this, except for the AI. If you're gyno prone like me you need to run an AI from the get go. Everything else you're right. Up front liver protection is the best option tho, rather it wait to feel it hurting rather than just playing it safe. But back pumps, high bp etc, I agree it should wait till it comes up. I don't have back pump issues so neither may you.
 
Browndog said:
Cheers for the replies lads, I agree that the otc stuff seems over the top but from what I've seen most guys recommending for high bp, back pumps, liver care, bad cholesterol etc, that this was the best to take, definitely agree it seems alot lol but being in Aus that's the cheapest stuff compared to everything else so wasn't to fussed on that. I find it crazy that it doesn't matter how many years you read about everything and try piece together all the information from different opinions versus studies and facts, that I can never find solid info that even the experienced guys agree on. Definitely have spare nolva on hand man, will look at getting more aromasin too. I thought keeping your e levels and free test etc etc in check by dosing your AI instead of just keeping it on hand was preferred? Will add epic unleashed in or something too cheers
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what brand sd??? stick to 10mg, id prob wait till week 4 to start the sd .... and nolva @10mg - 20mg ed ... i read somewhere that they tallied sd gyno, and users who used nolva were highly unlikely to get the 'unexplainable' sd gyno... wished id bookmarked that page , maybe someone else has it?
 
illazilla said:
what brand sd??? stick to 10mg, id prob wait till week 4 to start the sd .... and nolva @10mg - 20mg ed ... i read somewhere that they tallied sd gyno, and users who used nolva were highly unlikely to get the 'unexplainable' sd gyno... wished id bookmarked that page , maybe someone else has it?
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Considering sd is banned, asking what brand is rather stupid for a few reasons, one of the being that the rules clearly state no source posting, and by posting the brand that would be source posting.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Considering sd is banned, asking what brand is rather stupid for a few reasons, one of the being that the rules clearly state no source posting, and by posting the brand that would be source posting.
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It's possible OP is in somewhere where it's legal and available, the UK in particular. By the same logic he shouldn't have admitted to using Test E, Exemestane, Clomid, Nolva, either... And saying the brand isn't necessarily source posting unless it's a supplement store that has their own PH line (which isn't the case in the instance given the abbreviation given.)
 
Rhadam said:
Simplify. Seriously lol.

Test e with a SD kickstart is pretty basic man. It's simple: have an AI on hand, SERM ready for PCT, something like CEL Cycle Assist for on cycle support or CEL TUDCA if you really are scared, and then maybe a natty t booster to help during PCT. You don't need all that other crap. Liver damage is extremely overblown on these forums and others, and health concerns on basic AAS cycles are overblown as well.
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cant believe you didnt mention creatine here- whats wrong with you lol
 
ChocolateClen said:
Considering sd is banned, asking what brand is rather stupid for a few reasons, one of the being that the rules clearly state no source posting, and by posting the brand that would be source posting.
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lolll nooo , theres only 1 brand getting around in oz thats legit,, and they no longer source.......
 
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