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mhutch85

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Hey Guys,

So I was on another forum, and a buddy of mine gave me a proposed cycle after much back and forth. I think I have it down now after cultivating everything, though I know there's stuf that I'm unsure of, like dosages and length and placement. If you guys wouldn't mind critiquing and advising, Id greatly appreciate it.

Here's what I've come up with

Tren A 100mg eod 1-10 (didn't recommend running tren for 16 weeks)
Test Cyp 600 mg 2x week 1-16
Winny 50mg 12-16 (unsure if I want it here or towards the end. He had mentioned using it to kickstart so I'm unsure what to think of this placement)
HCG 5000iu 8-16
A.I. (unsure dosage and length.. suggestions?)

PCT: unsure dosage but length will be 4 weeks (18-22)
Nolva
Clomid
Let me know what you guys think if you don't mind and tweak where you feel necessary. If I've made a mess of it, feel free to tell me that too!! lol.
 
mhutch85 said:
Hey Guys,

So I was on another forum, and a buddy of mine gave me a proposed cycle after much back and forth. I think I have it down now after cultivating everything, though I know there's stuf that I'm unsure of, like dosages and length and placement. If you guys wouldn't mind critiquing and advising, Id greatly appreciate it.

Here's what I've come up with

Tren A 100mg eod 1-10 (didn't recommend running tren for 16 weeks)
Test Cyp 600 mg 2x week 1-16
Winny 50mg 12-16 (unsure if I want it here or towards the end. He had mentioned using it to kickstart so I'm unsure what to think of this placement)
HCG 5000iu 8-16
A.I. (unsure dosage and length.. suggestions?)

PCT: unsure dosage but length will be 4 weeks (18-22)
Nolva
Clomid
Let me know what you guys think if you don't mind and tweak where you feel necessary. If I've made a mess of it, feel free to tell me that too!! lol.
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I'm not that experienced but what's the rational on adding Winny at the end if your friend mentioned kick-start with it? I hear Tren can be pretty harsh.
 
I didn't know if I should add it at the end for the leaning out effect or if I should do it at the beginning to kickstart things.
 
Winny can help to control the tren sides.

High test with tren can cause problems.

I'd personally do
Weeks 1-10 Tren A 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Test P 50mg EOD
Weeks 5-10 Winny 50mg ED if you for some reason want to use it

For PCT I'd do
Clomid 25/25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5
With a test booster of your choice. Better have an AI on hand too.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Winny can help to control the tren sides.

High test with tren can cause problems.

I'd personally do
Weeks 1-10 Tren A 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Test P 50mg EOD
Weeks 5-10 Winny 50mg ED if you for some reason want to use it

For PCT I'd do
Clomid 25/25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5
With a test booster of your choice. Better have an AI on hand too.
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Ok couple questions... why test p instead of c or e? And what do you recomend for an AI? Also I was hoping to stretch the cycle out beyond ten weeks what's the longest I can go or can I change some things to take it out longer?
 
Shorter ester, easier to jump on PCT. With Tren E I would do longer ester of test too.

You could start with some other anabolic that will actually help you to gain lbm (winny won't do much) and then switch to tren.

For example
Weeks 1-6 dbol
Weeks 7-16 tren a
Weeks 1-16 test

Or
Weeks 1-8 npp
Weeks 9-16 tren a
Weeks 1-16 test
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Shorter ester, easier to jump on PCT. With Tren E I would do longer ester of test too.

You could start with some other anabolic that will actually help you to gain lbm (winny won't do much) and then switch to tren.

For example
Weeks 1-6 dbol
Weeks 7-16 tren a
Weeks 1-16 test

Or
Weeks 1-8 npp
Weeks 9-16 tren a
Weeks 1-16 test
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I'm looking for the Tren Cut I'm used to. Previous cycles were Test C and Tren and loved what it did for me. Wanting lean gains. Not expecting to gain a lot of muscle on this cycle but I know the Tren will help.
 
mhutch85 said:
I'm looking for the Tren Cut I'm used to. Previous cycles were Test C and Tren and loved what it did for me. Wanting lean gains. Not expecting to gain a lot of muscle on this cycle but I know the Tren will help.
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Then you could use something like Epi or Var instead of dbol in that 16 week cycle before switching to tren.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Then you could use something like Epi or Var instead of dbol in that 16 week cycle before switching to tren.
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We cut epi out due to price for this cycle. What's your experience with Var? And if I run Var can I switch back to Test C? Running it and Tren what dosage would you recomend?
 
mhutch85 said:
We cut epi out due to price for this cycle. What's your experience with Var? And if I run Var can I switch back to Test C? Running it and Tren what dosage would you recomend?
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Var is great but hell, it's far more expensive than Epi. And legit var may be hard to get. 50+mg/day.. pretty much as high as you can afford.

Of course you can use Test C anyway. The ester doesn't matter that much.

I always like to keep test at 200mg max when I'm running tren.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Var is great but hell, it's far more expensive than Epi. And legit var may be hard to get. 50+mg/day.. pretty much as high as you can afford.

Of course you can use Test C anyway. The ester doesn't matter that much.

I always like to keep test at 200mg max when I'm running tren.
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Ok so Test c
Tren
Winny
AI
PCT
Can I go 12-14 weeks with Test and Tren and if I go by 200/mg max is that 100 2x week?
 
Yeah you can. Most people won't do it with tren A though but if you monitor your health and can handle it, why not.

Yeah I would pin test twice per week, 100mg per injection.

I'd also take winny at the end of the cycle because it's not really a kick start compound, it's more like a finisher and if it helps you to control the tren sides, end of the cycle is where you are going to need it more.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Yeah you can. Most people won't do it with tren A though but if you monitor your health and can handle it, why not.

Yeah I would pin test twice per week, 100mg per injection.

I'd also take winny at the end of the cycle because it's not really a kick start compound, it's more like a finisher and if it helps you to control the tren sides, end of the cycle is where you are going to need it more.
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What would I need to look for in my health if I run it longer? And where would you start the Winny? Btw thanks for all the info and help!
 
mhutch85 said:
What would I need to look for in my health if I run it longer? And where would you start the Winny? Btw thanks for all the info and help!
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I would run it the last 6 weeks, stopping it the day before starting Clomid.

Bloodwork & blood pressure
 
g0hardorgohom said:
If you ask something like that, you shouldn't do the cycle at all.

It depends about your diet and training.
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That's a fair point. I'm only asking because this will be the first cycle I've done that has more than Test and Tren. I've read on Winny but never used it so didn't know what to expect having that thrown in.
 
mhutch85 said:
That's a fair point. I'm only asking because this will be the first cycle I've done that has more than Test and Tren. I've read on Winny but never used it so didn't know what to expect having that thrown in.
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Expect dry joints and maybe loss of appetite due to tocicity of it. It'll harden you up a bit but nothing more. Waste of money IMO.
 
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