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I agree whole heartedly*sp. And idiot newb is def not how I'd classify myself. And I don't recall coping an attitude w anyone until I was on the defensive.
I try to err on the side of what science has proven and less on bro-science. And I always Try not have an attitude or even react, but it was just one of those days, so I happily withdraw myself from this topic/thread as far as posting goes and wish you all the best.
Also, I truly wish you all the best in your endeavors and health, again, one of those days. So I will apologize for letting someone's opinion of me, who doesn't even know me, get to me (too many "me"s I know lol).
And lastly, it was the dosage of clen that was horrible for arteries iirc, not so much the frequency. I'll see if I can find the write up. A bit busy atm w pituitary tumor and such so if I find it cool. If not, Google and it'll come up somewhere. But there's a reason it was removed from the market, bc obv big pharma wants as much money as possible.
Good day to all and to all a good google search. Out.

Edited- the reason I was so "simple" or "stupid" about heart enlargement is bc this is after all under the supplement forum, which a lot of ture newbs may be reading and don't want them thinking clen is the end all be all of fat loss/ only way to go. And also, it has been shown time and time again that the way we lift enlarges the heart to a degree to where if we needed a transplant one day, things could become a problem, etc. So b4 you bash just try to consider who we're giving info to.

And I also think it's posts like these that make it so hard for some of very new guys to ask questions- fear of being ridiculed. But wtvr makes you feel superior.

Hey ma man. Thicken up that skin a bit. This is a great group of people. I've taken it on the chin a few times but bounced back because I know it comes from the right place.

Give it a chance. Nobody is going to label you. Stick around.
 
When Skip Hill says no Clen, I listen. Taylor Normandeaux used low dose Clen - maybe unrelated, but he died young recently - heart related IIRC. If I ever decide to stray from E-HCL again, it'll be Albuterol. I may still mix the Clen I have with Eviscerate/VasoBurn...still deciding about that though.
 
Personally wouldn't touch Clen.

EC is quite effective for all my needs.

EC + Inhibit-E is all I need

Yup, not worth the risk when EC is so good and is proven to be safe for even long term use!
 
Hey ma man. Thicken up that skin a bit. This is a great group of people. I've taken it on the chin a few times but bounced back because I know it comes from the right place.

Give it a chance. Nobody is going to label you. Stick around.

this forum is so full of knowledgeable, helpful, educated guys it's unreal!!!

most of the guys on here go out of their way to be helpful, imo.
 
When Skip Hill says no Clen, I listen. Taylor Normandeaux used low dose Clen - maybe unrelated, but he died young recently - heart related IIRC. If I ever decide to stray from E-HCL again, it'll be Albuterol. I may still mix the Clen I have with Eviscerate/VasoBurn...still deciding about that though.

What are your thoughts on health effects of clenviscerate? There wasn't much information on topical clen the last time I look.
 
What are your thoughts on health effects of clenviscerate? There wasn't much information on topical clen the last time I look.

IMO topical clen is still systemic (and I've used it a few times) so not a very efficient way to take it.
 
What are your thoughts on health effects of clenviscerate? There wasn't much information on topical clen the last time I look.

I stopped using topical Clen. No problems or anything, just not worth the possible risk - and I didn't see 'way crazy' fat loss anyway. Ephedrine for me, and maybe Albuterol.
 
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