Donald Trump running for president

Misfit28 said:
It's not a loophole. There is a correct and incorrect place where you need to send/take your voter registration. I don't care if she is a Trump supporter, Hillary supporter or whoever.

It's information that is obviously readily accessible. I'm from TN and found out how to register in GA with just a few keystrokes.
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Simple Definition of loophole
: an error in the way a law, rule, or contract is written that makes it possible for some people to legally avoid obeying it

She took advantage of that persons ignorance to give Hilary an advantage in the polls. Not everyone knows to look up how to vote correctly.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That's a few idiots. There are violent idiots of every color. There are whites who say they'll hurt black people, and blacks who say the same things about whites. Some PEOPLE are just terrible.
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Yeah I know that, but it's telling that they've gravitated so openly and passionately to Trump. Trump's done a great job of fueling these idiots for his own personal gain. Now watch the fallout
 
Misfit28 said:
You can't ignore the fact that 90% of Trump's supporters are white. I wonder why that is?
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I dont give a crap what color the voters are or what color the candidate is. All that matters is policy.
 
Misfit28 said:
I don't really follow what you are trying to get at here. Race and color matter a LOT, and have since the founding of this country.

Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
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Nobody is saying to ignore it, what Im saying is your turning issues that have nothing to do with race into racial matters rather than the issues itself.
 
Gutterpump said:
Come on, I was a teenager! Lol... I'm 39 this year I remember Perot well.

Bernie would've been great, but I would definitely like to see a better version of Johnson in power. Johnson is a smart guy but like you said he's a bit creepy. Comes across as smug and too laid back.
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I love Ron Paul but at this point he is too old. His son could have taken it to another level but he betrayed his father 4 years ago and is heavily committed to republican establishment.
 
Misfit28 said:
IMO, the loss of educational funding can be tied right back to the GOP.

The main reason we are losing "prosperity" is that people don't find it important enough to achieve education in this country. Other countries destroy us academically. Guess what that does? It makes us lose out to other countries. The old "get a diploma and work as a blue collar worker" model doesn't hold water any more. Math, science and advanced technology are the future.
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Its not the GOP, but the GOP and Democrats both supporting the same Department of Education federal infrastructure. Look what a disaster common core has been and who has been backing it.
 
CJNator said:
Simple Definition of loophole
: an error in the way a law, rule, or contract is written that makes it possible for some people to legally avoid obeying it

She took advantage of that persons ignorance to give Hilary an advantage in the polls. Not everyone knows to look up how to vote correctly.
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WTF? Who doesn't know to take or send your form to the election office?

The fact that they made it easier to do so by even allowing you to do it where you get your DL makes it easier. I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure they also have a voter ID law, which means you would have to have an ID/DL to even vote.

Sometimes you are TOO literal and can't see the forest for the trees, bro.
 
ax1 said:
Its not the GOP, but the GOP and Democrats bother supporting the same Department of Education federal infrastructure. Look what a disaster common core has been and who has been backing it.
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And NCLB was such a resounding success! ;)

Gary Johnson just wants to abolish the entire Department of Education.
 
Misfit28 said:
And NCLB was such a resounding success! ;)

Gary Johnson just wants to abolish the entire Department of Education.
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And I totally agree with you on the NCLB, thats exactly my point.

Gary Johnson is one creepy dude, we need to stop talking about him and mentioning his name here regardless if there are issues I agree with him on. He really freaks me out in ways I dont want to discuss.
 
ax1 said:
And I totally agree with you on the NCLB, thats exactly my point.

Gary Johnson is one creepy dude, we need to stop talking about him and mentioning his name here regardless if there are issues I agree with him on. He really freaks me out in ways I dont want to discuss.
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Sorry, brother! He is creepy AF.
 
CJNator said:
Plenty of leftists have actually committed violent crimes. Who cares if they threaten to do stuff.
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There are also plenty of racist leftists too. That's not what my post was about. It's about the fallout of Trump's dangerous game he played to attract and fuel these idiots. Trump's fallout is far greater than this though. He successfully ripped the bandaid off of racism in America.
 
And who really cares if they threaten to do stuff? I do... especially when it's violent crime that's spurred and fueled by a politician. There's no place for politicians like this in our world.
 
Gutterpump said:
There are also plenty of racist leftists too. That's not what my post was about. It's about the fallout of Trump's dangerous game he played to attract and fuel these idiots. Trump's fallout is far greater than this though. He successfully ripped the bandaid off of racism in America.
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He's also doing it to political corruption but the media doesn't want to sensationalize that. Hillary's actions just fall off the play list of the media cycle. Unless of course deplorable someone mentions a bullet and s revolution then it's sensationalized. How do we combat the corruption without revolution. Voting surely isn't a solution.
 
David Dunn said:
He's also doing it to political corruption but the media doesn't want to sensationalize that. Hillary's actions just fall off the play list of the media cycle. Unless of course deplorable someone mentions a bullet and s revolution then it's sensationalized. How do we combat the corruption without revolution. Voting surely isn't a solution.
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This is why it's sad that Bernie got pushed out by the Dems. He was doing the same in regards to political corruption, minus fueling racism a la Trump. This whole election is a mess this year.
 
Misfit28 said:
WTF? Who doesn't know to take or send your form to the election office?

The fact that they made it easier to do so by even allowing you to do it where you get your DL makes it easier. I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure they also have a voter ID law, which means you would have to have an ID/DL to even vote.

Sometimes you are TOO literal and can't see the forest for the trees, bro.
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Plenty of people don't know a lot of things and yea I know lol I don't see any other way to be correct then to be literal. Everything else is a opinion and I try to keep my opinions to myself because they are useless when debating anything.
 
Misfit28 said:
So, you think without government involvement that equality will just happen? Whites have been in control of this country from the founding of the country. You think they just willingly relinquish this power?

The government/country wasn't even that big when the 15th and 19th amendments were ratified. There was fierce opposition to both.
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Like fierce opposition to the Civil Rights Act by Democrats.
 
Gutterpump said:
This is why it's sad that Bernie got pushed out by the Dems. He was doing the same in regards to political corruption, minus fueling racism a la Trump. This whole election is a mess this year.
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Bernie was making it about race thats for sure.
 
ax1 said:
Bernie was making it about race thats for sure.
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Such as this quote which made me think he is another racist azz

White People Don’t Know What It’s Like To Live In The ‘Ghetto’
 
Gutterpump said:
Eh, he wasn't fueling violence though. He never told anyone to get violent and that he'd cover legal fees lol
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Hitlery didnt hire agents to his events to stir up the pot at Bernie events and cause chaos and violence though.

I agree his tone is much calmer and cordial than that of Dumps.
 
Gutterpump said:
There are also plenty of racist leftists too. That's not what my post was about. It's about the fallout of Trump's dangerous game he played to attract and fuel these idiots. Trump's fallout is far greater than this though. He successfully ripped the bandaid off of racism in America.
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I will admit the extreme side of what he represents is harsh, but I'm more scared of the extreme left due to the fact they all they want is the government to intervene in our lives to force equality. One because governments should stay out of our lives and two policies like that create extreme reactionaries plus awaken other groups like the kkk. It's all about the domino effect, most things that are straight forward like what you posted don't really become a reality.
 
Gutterpump said:
Eh, he wasn't fueling violence though. He never told anyone to get violent and that he'd cover legal fees lol
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Ill also add I think Bernie is a better person Dump, I just disagreed with his policies more than Dumps (not all.)
 
Misfit28 said:
IMO, the loss of educational funding can be tied right back to the GOP.

The main reason we are losing "prosperity" is that people don't find it important enough to achieve education in this country. Other countries destroy us academically. Guess what that does? It makes us lose out to other countries. The old "get a diploma and work as a blue collar worker" model doesn't hold water any more. Math, science and advanced technology are the future.
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Doesn't the US spend more per child in public school than any other nation that is smoking us in education? Why does it always fall back to the blanket reason of funding, and not the quality of the curriculum and education itself?

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youngandfree said:
Dosent the US spend more per child in public school than any other nation that is smoking us in education? Why does it always fall back to the blanket reason of funding, and not the quality of the curriculum and education itself?
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Because teachers aren't paid enough to teach, and end up leaving the profession.

I'll have to look up what you said.
 
Gutterpump said:
ax1 - do you think the Libertarians are looking for a new front person? Or is Gary staying put?
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They need new younger leadership imo. I follow the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and the Campaign for Liberty movement. Ron Paul is just too up there in age but I consider him as the founding father of the modern Libertarian movement and and still current leader.

Gary Johnson to me represents the infiltrated and compromised (big special interests, kock brothers, etc...) sect of the Libertarian Movement. Gary needs to be subdued before some child gets hurt, lol.

That being said I still dont sign up as a Libertarian and would prefer all parties out of politics but can compromise.
 
youngandfree said:
Doesn't the US spend more per child in public school than any other nation that is smoking us in education? Why does it always fall back to the blanket reason of funding, and not the quality of the curriculum and education itself?

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Thats what happens when you hand over big governmental powers of the education system. Then the people that inflated the system beyond proportion have the solutions of adding even more government involvement.
 
Misfit28 said:
Because teachers aren't paid enough to teach, and end up leaving the profession.

I'll have to look up what you said.
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One report from Albany NY. Charter schools receive less funding than public schools. Granted it doesn't mention other sources of funding besides the state, if any.

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Teachers leaving the profession are replaced. In my area, they close and consolidate schools because they cost too much and the state has to cut back, not because they aren't enough teachers to go around. Look at the administration employees in many larger school districts, some have as many administrators as teachers. There's no need for that, and that money should be going to teachers, and eliminating the "middle management" and many of the paper pushers.

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Older article about LA County school district.
 
Ron Paul picks Jill Stein over Gary Johnson.

Ron Paul, whose 1988 Libertarian presidential bid and two Republican bids made him the "liberty movement's" best-known figure, told MSNBC today that he couldn't support Gary Johnson for president and saw reasons to back the Green Party's Jill Stein.

"If you tend to lean toward progressivism, you can lean toward the Green Party," Paul said. "She's probably the best on foreign policy."

Paul hinted at his problem with that in the MSNBC interview. "He doesn't come across with a crisp Libertarian message," said Paul of Johnson. "I'm voting for the nonaggression principle."

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Misfit28 said:
So, you think without government involvement that equality will just happen? Whites have been in control of this country from the founding of the country. You think they just willingly relinquish this power?

The government/country wasn't even that big when the 15th and 19th amendments were ratified. There was fierce opposition to both.
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Yes and race isn't the issue with racism, it's the culture. In the beginning is wasn't even about race until government forced integration which the reactionaries were racists. As humans/animals we shouldn't being forced to integrate with others.
 
youngandfree said:
One report from Albany NY. Charter schools receive less funding than public schools. Granted it doesn't mention other sources of funding besides the state, if any.

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Teachers leaving the profession are replaced. In my area, they close and consolidate schools because they cost too much and the state has to cut back, not because they aren't enough teachers to go around. Look at the administration employees in many larger school districts, some have as many administrators as teachers. There's no need for that, and that money should be going to teachers, and eliminating the "middle management" and many of the paper pushers.

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Older article about LA County school district.
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I remember short time ago the mayor DeBlasio wanted to shut down the charter school because these kids were for the most part all doing better with school than public education and he thought it wasnt fair. So instead of supporting the idea of shutting down the public education system which is doing poorly compared to the charter schools and letting charter schools take over the entire city, he thought it was a better idea to equally dumb them all down and send these smarter kids to poorer quality of education.
 
CJNator said:
Yes and race isn't the issue with racism, it's the culture. In the beginning is wasn't even about race until government forced integration which the reactionaries were racists. As humans/animals we shouldn't being forced to integrate with others.
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So you're saying that African Americans should have remained slaves and never be given the right to vote?

It sounds like you're saying that governmental intervention (aka Emancipation Proclamation and the 15th Amendment) should never have happened.
 
ax1 said:
I remember short time ago the mayor DeBlasio wanted to shut down the charter school because these kids were for the most part all doing better with school than public education and he thought it wasnt fair. So instead of supporting the idea of shutting down the public education system which is doing poorly compared to the charter schools and letting charter schools take over the entire city, he thought it was a better idea to equally dumb them all down and send these smarter kids to poorer quality of education.
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Same in DC, Obama wanted to do away with the voucher program to send inner city Schools to Sid well Friends where his kids went.
 
CJNator said:
Plenty of people don't know a lot of things and yea I know lol I don't see any other way to be correct then to be literal. Everything else is a opinion and I try to keep my opinions to myself because they are useless when debating anything.
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According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read.

Not to mention common and practical sense is quite depleted in our country as well. I can walk through my local Walmart Supercenter and get a good idea of how many people know little about a lot. It's not a stretch to believe an voters ballot may cause a challenge to quite a few.
 
Misfit28 said:
So you're saying that African Americans should have remained slaves and never be given the right to vote?

It sounds like you're saying that governmental intervention (aka Emancipation Proclamation and the 15th Amendment) should never have happened.
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Slavery is a produce of government interventionism and not racism, slavery has never been about racism; slavery should have been made obsolete by the free market since human labor is becoming obsolete in certain areas of the market now

. I'm saying government shouldn't intervene in the lives of individuals because there is never a positive effect long term.
 
David Dunn said:
According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read.

Not to mention common and practical sense is quite depleted in our country as well. I can walk through my local Walmart Supercenter and get a good idea of how many people know little about a lot. It's not a stretch to believe an voters ballot may cause a challenge to quite a few.
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Yea exactly, got to love pubic education lol.
 
Misfit28 said:
So you're saying that African Americans should have remained slaves and never be given the right to vote?

It sounds like you're saying that governmental intervention (aka Emancipation Proclamation and the 15th Amendment) should never have happened.
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Here's a quick synopsis of who supported the 19th ammendment, spoiler alert, just like the Civil Rights Act that was filibuster ed by Dems, it was republicans that got it passed.

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According to this brief history, democrats in the south opposed the 15th because they feared the blacks would vote Republican, like those in the northern states that already had the right to vote.
 
youngandfree said:
Here's a quick synopsis of who supported the 19th ammendment, spoiler alert, just like the Civil Rights Act that was filibuster ed by Dems, it was republicans that got it passed.

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Yeah, yeah we all know the parties shifted stances.

I wonder how the current GOP would have voted?
 
youngandfree said:
That's what they all say when they try to say Republicans are the ones that fought those big 3.

And it's pointless to debate what they would choose now.
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It's also pointless to point out what Democrats supported almost 100 years ago (in the case of the 19th amendment).

However, the GOP now supports new Jim Crow laws.
 
Misfit28 said:
So, you think without government involvement that equality will just happen? Whites have been in control of this country from the founding of the country. You think they just willingly relinquish this power?

The government/country wasn't even that big when the 15th and 19th amendments were ratified. There was fierce opposition to both.
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You brought up opposition to the 15th and 19th. I merely presented the history of those 2, to remind everyone it wasn't the Republicans.
 
Misfit28 said:
It's also pointless to point out what Democrats supported almost 100 years ago (in the case of the 19th amendment).

However, the GOP now supports new Jim Crow laws.
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Oh thats ridiculous, lol

Im sure you can find leftists that support opposite Jim Crow laws too.

This isnt a racist country, racism is not the issue it was back in the 50's. The only people infringing on the liberties of black people are also infringing on the rights of everyone else and that is in the likes of the overall Republicrat and Demican system that has been continually been supported by very people complaining about racism.
 
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