rhoadx
Member
And the kratom community seem to care more. I shared this link on my Facebook page ( and I have a ton of meathead friends) not one comment or like. I don't get it. This is a huge issue.
FDA NDI Draft Guidance Document: PP Article
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And the kratom community seem to care more. I shared this link on my Facebook page ( and I have a ton of meathead friends) not one comment or like. I don't get it. This is a huge issue.
justhere4comm
Banned
When and if they can no longer get the supps they want it will be those people who yell the loudest.
muscleupcrohn
Legend
This does seem to be true. Unfortunately, people are often overly trusting and/or apathetic until it's too late. I wonder why big stores like GNC and VS aren't making a bigger deal about this. Surely it would really hurt them, no? You'd almost think that they'd hand out little pamphlets or brochures and have a mention of the petition on their website; the majority of supplement users don't frequent the forums or sites like priceplow. Maybe I'll go in and talk to the manager of one of the VS stores I used to work at, see if he's even aware of this, and maybe he can pass it on to someone above his head, although I'm sure the higher-ups have to be aware of this, no?
kisaj
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Personally, I think it's partially because it's far too long, apparently not written well, and from one person I know that owns several Fit Republics around here who claims to have read it all, will never be accepted in the form it's in. So combine it all and the fact that there is no promotion of it anywhere and it's easy to see why people don't care, IMO. They'll see the cliffs and say, "meh, not worth my time"
enraged_chris
Member
Not sure why people are saying that... because it is happening. That attitude is how you wake up with a ban.
enraged_chris
Member
Not sure why people are saying that... because it is happening. That attitude is how you wake up with a ban.
Ape McGrapes
Well-known member
So if the Kratom industry wins their fight against the FDA, this would essentially make it illegal anyway.
enraged_chris
Member
Not at all. It'll just stop the fda from scheduling kratom. They aren't discussing scheduling supplements, they are discussing making them illegal for sale. Very different thing. The FDA could still go after kratom for use in supplements through this measure but buying bulk kratom or "research" kratom would still be legal.
Ape McGrapes
Well-known member
Wouldn't this make Kratom illegal since no NDI was ever filed and it wasn't marketed before 94?
EDIT: Reread your post, and agree with the research loophole, but I'd expect some FDA raides from that. "Not for human consumption" isn't really an invincible cloak, let alone much of a safety net.
Jiigzz
Legend
The FDA isn't scheduling Kratom, the DEA is. You can't sell schedule 1 drugs as research ingredients and expect to get away with it, or fly under the radar very long. Do you see online companies trying to sell heroin as a research compound given it's schedule 1 listing?
Most anabolics are schedule 3
Ape McGrapes
Well-known member
Same difference, but this is if the Kratom Industry wins and the DEA doesn't schedule it. hypothetically speaking of course.
Jiigzz
Legend
Apparantly a spokes person for the DEA has said it will schedule 1 it, until they can appropriately judge its use and safety etc. and then move to reclassify it if need be.
Could be promising for a potential revive in a couple of years time if more research comes to light: Invalid Link Removed
rascal14
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I'm sure by the time there will already a decent alternative, if there's not already.
123abcabcabc
Well-known member
Endless possibilities for replacements for Kratom. Until just recently, there were a number of fentanyl analogues (research chemicals with opiate effects) that were legal and readily available. DEA made those schedule 1 as well. There will always be research chemicals mimicking their effect until the 'grey area' loophole is abolished.
BCseacow83
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And this is why many in this country deserve every sh**ty thing that happens to this country, the apathy and laziness is unbelievable. Too busy tweeting and watching dancing with the stars to give two craps about things that matter! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
justhere4comm
Banned
Watch Zeitgeist. It's more than being a sheep. It's being influenced without much control.
No wonder so many are apathetic. I'm not surprised even though I signed it. It makes little difference.
No wonder so many are apathetic. I'm not surprised even though I signed it. It makes little difference.
GreekTheBrick
Active member
Sadly, this is a global phenomenon my friend
muscleupcrohn
Legend
That's true, but this bill (I accidentally typed "bull," which is also fitting) clearly wasn't written with an honest intent of targeting gray-area supplements, unless pretty much everything on the market is gray-area.
ma70
Well-known member
Yeah, it's gotten to this point. Also, I'm also sort of apathetic at this point. I've done all I can, and I've tried to spread the news. Whatever happens will happen. I'll just be sure to stock up on supps for awhile if sh*t hits the fan.
Misfit28
Well-known member
I think that's because the authors of this bill are as ignorant about supplements as the general public.
Misfit28
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muscleupcrohn
Legend
I don't think it's that innocent in intentions if I'm being honest. Some of these natural supplements that'd be taken off the market are actually pretty useful for certain things (as alternatives or adjuncts), and are cheap to produce, safe, and have a long history of use. Pharma influence here perhaps?
Misfit28
Well-known member
As I said, not going to rule it out. Smacks of conspiracy, but pharma is greedy as hell.
Rob1882
Active member
Look you can quickly and easily find solid evidence of massive scandals of Pharma companies directly bribing both politicians and caught doing it as well bribing the FDA directly and getting caught.
Serepta a more recent scandal look it up
There has been scandals for while now where they will give 700,000$ to a super pac than all a sudden legislation goes their way or they give few hundred thousands to some guy in the FDA or a job opening for said FDA head or chairmen opens up musical chairs ya.. all just a coincidence they just wanted to give a few hundred thousand dollars to someone for the goodness of society I mean come on lol
Look at Bayer selling known tainted drugs to the US killing thousands of people than shipping the rest out of the country selling the same exact tainted supply to another country this happens all the time.
How many of them were sent to prison? Answer: Nobody
Yaz anyone? how many sent to prison over that: 0
Greed does not even begin to describe Bayer or many others they are downright evil when you sell AIDS infected drugs to people knowingly. Pharma is directly behind and supporting a lot of things such as keeping pot illegal as a sched 1 drug has been caught with leaked emails talking about how it will harm synthetic THC sales even.
Misfit28
Well-known member
Never said that, man. I'm not a fan of big pharma.
All supplement companies are stand up citizens, though, right?
Rob1882
Active member
I am just pointing out they def without a doubt bribe politicians as well they clearly own and control the FDA they have cut funding to them through lobbying they absolutely without a doubt are in control them bribing to keep or push to make something illegal is absolutely happening and has happened they have been caught doing it this is established.
There is no conspiracy in that they gather about and discuss how to wrek the world; it is just a byproduct of unregulated industry in charge with very very deep pockets and no concern or value of human life. Look at the Aids tainted drugs they paid out a some millions so what they banked way more in profits just the cost of business.
Look at the recent Elizabeth Warren discussion with the CEO of Wells it is just another example of what is going on in corporate America. And people say the supplement business is shady.. it does not even touch the ballsack of the giants in down right scandelous evil.
Monsanto and Bayer merger titans of death
It's not an attack but some observations and things to perhaps look at directly as examples that are established you can see directly the backing of the kratom **** by large interests
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Congress Calls Out the DEA on Kratom was just posted earlier
ryane87
Well-known member
Exactly my point
thebigt
Legend
lol...I can see it now, supplement pushers hanging out in front of gyms-hey man, wanna buy some creatine?
another whole black market industry waiting to happen...I don't know why the government doesn't understand that if people want something they will find a way to get it-if there is profit in it...just look at how successful prohibition was, and how is that war on drugs going?
yup, lets fill up the prisons with creatine pushers, that should go over real well!!!
another whole black market industry waiting to happen...I don't know why the government doesn't understand that if people want something they will find a way to get it-if there is profit in it...just look at how successful prohibition was, and how is that war on drugs going?
yup, lets fill up the prisons with creatine pushers, that should go over real well!!!
justhere4comm
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smith_69
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i think what is more interesting
Much of the agency’s fees come from Big Pharma, as drug companies not only pay to get their meds through the approvals process but also pony up extra fees for faster decisions.
i understand paying to speed up the process to get your passport back, but paying extra to get approved faster? that alone should be a red flag and how the F is that legal or allowed to happen?
Much of the agency’s fees come from Big Pharma, as drug companies not only pay to get their meds through the approvals process but also pony up extra fees for faster decisions.
i understand paying to speed up the process to get your passport back, but paying extra to get approved faster? that alone should be a red flag and how the F is that legal or allowed to happen?
123abcabcabc
Well-known member
DEA and ATF are nearly useless and have their own agendas $$$. They mine as well expand the FBI's field offices and incorporate those two agencies. More scrutiny from the Department of Justice would certainly solve the already corrupt system.
justhere4comm
Banned
When you lie to the government it is a crime. When they lie to you it's called politics.
enraged_chris
Member
Contact your local rep as well! Also urge your friends to. Keep up the good work.