Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing

Your starting weight is my end goal! You swine!
 
It COULD be the wine. Or the meatballs. Probably deserves LOTS of field testing!
 
If it gets going with that pace, I'll win in 5 days.
HIT4ME prepare all ancillaries, like tissue, Hillary pic, Vaseline!
 
hairygrandpa said:
If it gets going with that pace, I'll win in 5 days.
HIT4ME prepare all ancillaries, like tissue, Hillary pic, Vaseline!
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You still get the newbie fasting losses - you should lose 5-6 pounds pretty quick, then it will be a consistent 0.5 pounds a day for a while if you keep your calories in check. The issue is, meatballs? For real? Did you even read Lyle's book? lol.

The comedian Jim Gaffigan does a stand up routine about Subway restaurants and how ridiculous it is that we think of them as being healthy. He talks about going in there for a meatball sub. He describes meatball subs as, "You take enough meat to make 5 burgers, roll it up into balls, and then put it on a bun that will hold 5 burgers...how is this healthy?"

Anyway, I know what 18 pounds is going to take. You are still in the take it easy mode. I'm not impressed yet. :)
 
HIT4ME said:
You still get the newbie fasting losses - you should lose 5-6 pounds pretty quick, then it will be a consistent 0.5 pounds a day for a while if you keep your calories in check. The issue is, meatballs? For real? Did you even read Lyle's book? lol.

The comedian Jim Gaffigan does a stand up routine about Subway restaurants and how ridiculous it is that we think of them as being healthy. He talks about going in there for a meatball sub. He describes meatball subs as, "You take enough meat to make 5 burgers, roll it up into balls, and then put it on a bun that will hold 5 burgers...how is this healthy?"

Anyway, I know what 18 pounds is going to take. You are still in the take it easy mode. I'm not impressed yet. :)
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I made the meat balls, no forbidden fillers. The wine was not necessary but a friend came to visit. He brought fast food and snacks.
I did not touch any of it but had a firm grip on my cup of wine, lol.

I'm very much into this challenge and I may use dirty propaganda tactics to disguise my real progress.... muhahahaha!
 
hairygrandpa said:
I made the meat balls, no forbidden fillers. The wine was not necessary but a friend came to visit. He brought fast food and snacks.
I did not touch any of it but had a firm grip on my cup of wine, lol.

I'm very much into this challenge and I may use dirty propaganda tactics to disguise my real progress.... muhahahaha!
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LOL, I mention you to my gf from time to time, and sometimes she will call you "Dirty Grandpa" - she has no idea how right she is, haha.
 
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You did that in 30 minutes!!?? Wow. Something is wrong when they have to put a note on the machine to limit a CARDIO session to 30 minutes. That stuff is so painful and boring at the same time, I am begging to stop after 2 minutes. Literally, I start, then I start thinking, "I've been going for a while, this is killing me, how much longer can I do this!?" and I look down and it's 2 minutes after I started. It's horrible.

To burn over 500 calories in 30 minutes...that must have been brutal. It took me 70 minutes to get my bike to say 600 calories.
 
HIT4ME said:
You did that in 30 minutes!!?? Wow. Something is wrong when they have to put a note on the machine to limit a CARDIO session to 30 minutes. That stuff is so painful and boring at the same time, I am begging to stop after 2 minutes. Literally, I start, then I start thinking, "I've been going for a while, this is killing me, how much longer can I do this!?" and I look down and it's 2 minutes after I started. It's horrible.

To burn over 500 calories in 30 minutes...that must have been brutal. It took me 70 minutes to get my bike to say 600 calories.
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No Sh*t!!! I'm with you on that one. I hate Cardio.
 
HIT4ME said:
You did that in 30 minutes!!?? Wow. Something is wrong when they have to put a note on the machine to limit a CARDIO session to 30 minutes. That stuff is so painful and boring at the same time, I am begging to stop after 2 minutes. Literally, I start, then I start thinking, "I've been going for a while, this is killing me, how much longer can I do this!?" and I look down and it's 2 minutes after I started. It's horrible.

To burn over 500 calories in 30 minutes...that must have been brutal. It took me 70 minutes to get my bike to say 600 calories.
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Studhorse said:
No Sh*t!!! I'm with you on that one. I hate Cardio.
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It's one of those monster step mills, I'm 177 or so right now and I set my weight at 175 so I'm actually forcing myself harder to work at a 1,000 calorie per hour pace.

I honestly think I'm the reason for the sign, I've done hour sessions on that bastard before.

Just turn up headphones and try to zone out to get those goddamn rolls burnt off.
 
lifted67 said:
It's one of those monster step mills, I'm 177 or so right now and I set my weight at 175 so I'm actually forcing myself harder to work at a 1,000 calorie per hour pace.

I honestly think I'm the reason for the sign, I've done hour sessions on that bastard before.

Just turn up headphones and try to zone out to get those goddamn rolls burnt off.
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Can't do that longer than 20min in one go, after 5 min I'm already suffering from boredom. Best scenario is when a hot chick is on a stairmaster in front of you for the time being.
 
Getting after it in here.

HGP on average Red wine is about 200 calories per 6 oz, so you have about 1000 calories in your 25ounces of wine. Each gram of alcohol is 7kcals, however the body burns it off extremely fast because it sees it as a poison. That's why you get hot when you are drinking. Either way you were probably pretty close on the meatballs and if you made them yourself probably higher protein and lower carb / fat than store bought. My daughter makes them 1oz per ball now so when I do eat them I know exactly how many ounces of meat I am getting. You could do that as well if you are going to make them again. Really if you weight the first one you can just make the rest to match if you don't want to weigh each one. She just puts the meat in the scales bowl, then grabs enough meat out that the scale goes down an ounce and makes the meat balls that way. She seasons and mixes it in the bowl first then puts it on the scale to do it. Although if you just match the size of the first one you weigh the minute difference in weight are not going to be a major factor and a lot more convenient than weighing each one.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Getting after it in here.

HGP on average Red wine is about 200 calories per 6 oz, so you have about 1000 calories in your 25ounces of wine. Each gram of alcohol is 7kcals, however the body burns it off extremely fast because it sees it as a poison. That's why you get hot when you are drinking. Either way you were probably pretty close on the meatballs and if you made them yourself probably higher protein and lower carb / fat than store bought. My daughter makes them 1oz per ball now so when I do eat them I know exactly how many ounces of meat I am getting. You could do that as well if you are going to make them again. Really if you weight the first one you can just make the rest to match if you don't want to weigh each one. She just puts the meat in the scales bowl, then grabs enough meat out that the scale goes down an ounce and makes the meat balls that way. She seasons and mixes it in the bowl first then puts it on the scale to do it. Although if you just match the size of the first one you weigh the minute difference in weight are not going to be a major factor and a lot more convenient than weighing each one.
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Don't help him too much here. I want him to think he's eating 1,000 when he's actually eating 2,000. 6 week challenge and I want to leave him scratching his bald head wondering what went wrong :)

Plus, I need all the help I can get, because I'm starting at a point where my body is refusing to lose weight now, haha.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Can't do that longer than 20min in one go, after 5 min I'm already suffering from boredom. Best scenario is when a hot chick is on a stairmaster in front of you for the time being.
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You too huh?! Love the fact that my gym has several bikini competitors!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Getting after it in here.

HGP on average Red wine is about 200 calories per 6 oz, so you have about 1000 calories in your 25ounces of wine. Each gram of alcohol is 7kcals, however the body burns it off extremely fast because it sees it as a poison. That's why you get hot when you are drinking. Either way you were probably pretty close on the meatballs and if you made them yourself probably higher protein and lower carb / fat than store bought. My daughter makes them 1oz per ball now so when I do eat them I know exactly how many ounces of meat I am getting. You could do that as well if you are going to make them again. Really if you weight the first one you can just make the rest to match if you don't want to weigh each one. She just puts the meat in the scales bowl, then grabs enough meat out that the scale goes down an ounce and makes the meat balls that way. She seasons and mixes it in the bowl first then puts it on the scale to do it. Although if you just match the size of the first one you weigh the minute difference in weight are not going to be a major factor and a lot more convenient than weighing each one.
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You are lucky! You have a daughter cooking for you! My daughter plays pokemon-go all the time and asks ME if food is ready, LOL
Made the balls from lean ground beef, eggs and very little bread crumbs, just enough to make it possible to form a ball.
It was my only food source that day with some leafy greens, no need to weight it -or being concerned about blowing the diet.
Will watch my total protein intake more closely to not cannibalize my own muscles too much.
Any wine lovers here?
The wine is from Argentina, not sweet at all but with a pronounced fruity note. Bought 100+ bottles a year ago ( Now only 25 bottles left :( ).

If you can get a hold of it:

Las Perdices / 3% Syrah + 7% Viognier. 2013/ Argentina
-hands down one of the fruitiest tasting -non sweet but mild wines, NOT expensive, bought the bottle in Argentina for about $ 6.-

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I love me some good red wine. As you can tell, I know how many calories are in an average 6 oz glass of red.

I will have to look at Specs and see if I can find any. Starting Dbol next week, so if I want to try that wine it needs to be this weekend. Do you like Spicy stuff at all? I had an amazing Cabernet with habanero in it. Was soooooo good. Just a touch of heat. Made the wine warm fuzzies even warmer and fuzzier.

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MrKleen73 said:
I love me some good red wine. As you can tell, I know how many calories are in an average 6 oz glass of red.

I will have to look at Specs and see if I can find any. Starting Dbol next week, so if I want to try that wine it needs to be this weekend. Do you like Spicy stuff at all? I had an amazing Cabernet with habanero in it. Was soooooo good. Just a touch of heat. Made the wine warm fuzzies even warmer and fuzzier.

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Wow, never heard of that! I'm sure I can't get "Cabanero" in Bananaland.
It's a VERY hot climate here, the natives do not eat spicy. Me on the other hand, I love chilli con carne EXTRA HOT!
Sweating my azz of after eating and having trouble seeing through my swollen eyes, LOL.

In November I'm again in Florida, will have a look around and find me some cabanero.

Will keep a close eye on your progress, the transformation from Dbol will be awesome!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Wow, never heard of that! I'm sure I can't get "Cabanero" in Bananaland.
It's a VERY hot climate here, the natives do not eat spicy. Me on the other hand, I love chilli con carne EXTRA HOT!
Sweating my azz of after eating and having trouble seeing through my swollen eyes, LOL.

In November I'm again in Florida, will have a look around and find me some cabanero.

Will keep a close eye on your progress, the transformation from Dbol will be awesome!
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You will really like it. Very enjoyable.

Awesome, I am expecting some fun. I am just starting at 25mg a day and also adding in 50mg tren ace 3 times a week for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks out from the meet those doses pretty much double and I stay there all the way up to meet day. I have never used either compound so very excited to see how I respond to them. Not expecting much in the way of size since my reps are so low right now but I should still see a little new size from it. The strength is what I expect to shine.
 
MrKleen73 said:
You will really like it. Very enjoyable.

Awesome, I am expecting some fun. I am just starting at 25mg a day and also adding in 50mg tren ace 3 times a week for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks out from the meet those doses pretty much double and I stay there all the way up to meet day. I have never used either compound so very excited to see how I respond to them. Not expecting much in the way of size since my reps are so low right now but I should still see a little new size from it. The strength is what I expect to shine.
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Hopefully all is going as planed with the cycle, looks promising too. Lets see how you respond to tren. Dbol treats most people good.
Some AAS have been a disappointment.
On Dbol I feel ill with suppressed appetite.
Got ALL the bad sides from Tren (only did Trenavar).
Deca shuts my libido down for good -and felt no benefits.

Good for me:
Up to 750mg test/week, over that BP skyrockets.
NPP at 100mg EOD was awesome but its very expensive.
Love TD Trest too!
Will give tren another try, stacked with masteron and low test, some say masteron suppresses the tren sides.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Hopefully all is going as planed with the cycle, looks promising too. Lets see how you respond to tren. Dbol treats most people good.
Some AAS have been a disappointment.
On Dbol I feel ill with suppressed appetite.
Got ALL the bad sides from Tren (only did Trenavar).
Deca shuts my libido down for good -and felt no benefits.

Good for me:
Up to 750mg test/week, over that BP skyrockets.
NPP at 100mg EOD was awesome but its very expensive.
Love TD Trest too!
Will give tren another try, stacked with masteron and low test, some say masteron suppresses the tren sides.
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Yes, and or lower test and higher tren from my understanding. I will be at 800mg Test e starting Saturday to, have been at 700mg for 4 weeks, and 500 for 4 weeks before that. Getting a lot stronger but not really growing much. I think the DBol may change that a bit.
 
Day 3 of Cut Challenge

Felt like sh1t.
Had no motivation to go to the gym but took myself together and went anyway.

rp = rest pause 10 sec.

Pull ups
9 rp 6 rp 3

cable one armed triceps push down
40lbs x15/12 rp 8 rp 5

One armed DB row 55lbs, slow, twisting wrist, holding on top
18

DB floor triceps extensions
2x30lbs 21/11/7

cable triceps extensions 25lbs
10/8/8 rp 5

Leg extensions 160lbs
26 rp 18 rp 14

inclined oblique twist-sit up combo
32 rp 14

Planking
80 sec rp 45 sec

DB bent over rear delt rises 2x55lbs
17 rp 13

DB pullover 75lbs
12/8 rp 3

20 minutes shoulder rehab

I'm almost in ketosis, low blood sugar is no fun at all.
Decided to not go into keto and have some carbs, bumping total cals for today up to 1100 kcal.
Have to wait 2 hours after the gym before eating, because "fragment 176-191" has a 3 hour fasting windows.
 
Good job, Gramps!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 3 of Cut Challenge

Felt like sh1t.
Had no motivation to go to the gym but took myself together and went anyway.

rp = rest pause 10 sec.

Pull ups
9 rp 6 rp 3

cable one armed triceps push down
40lbs x15/12 rp 8 rp 5

One armed DB row 55lbs, slow, twisting wrist, holding on top
18

DB floor triceps extensions
2x30lbs 21/11/7

cable triceps extensions 25lbs
10/8/8 rp 5

Leg extensions 160lbs
26 rp 18 rp 14

inclined oblique twist-sit up combo
32 rp 14

Planking
80 sec rp 45 sec

DB bent over rear delt rises 2x55lbs
17 rp 13

DB pullover 75lbs
12/8 rp 3

20 minutes shoulder rehab

I'm almost in ketosis, low blood sugar is no fun at all.
Decided to not go into keto and have some carbs, bumping total cals for today up to 1100 kcal.
Have to wait 2 hours after the gym before eating, because "fragment 176-191" has a 3 hour fasting windows.
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I am impressed hairygrandpa ...you are in the adjusting phase and pushing out RP reps. Hard work for swizzle. The PSMF is about caloric deficit, ketosis isn't necessary. It may happen just from low carbs, but with such high protein and some artificial sweetener in my coffee, I hardly ever make it into ketosis at all. Maybe moderately...But it comes and goes and isn't a big part of the diet.

Great job. I'm proud if you.
 
Great job in here HG! How do you like the NPP? Do you feel it is helping the joints?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Day 3 of Cut Challenge

Felt like sh1t.
Had no motivation to go to the gym but took myself together and went anyway.
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I know you are probably feeling that way due to the cut, but I sympathize in general. I know we all face that feeling from time to time, but you still made it into the gym and crushed it. Props!
 
Nice lift HGP and keto is not required for fat loss in any way. Trust me atyour caloric levels there are probably no ketones being excreted anyway if they are broken down your body is using them. I am sure there is not extra to be considered waste. As long as the body is using the ketones efficiently they often never show up in the urea.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice lift HGP and keto is not required for fat loss in any way. Trust me atyour caloric levels there are probably no ketones being excreted anyway if they are broken down your body is using them. I am sure there is not extra to be considered waste. As long as the body is using the ketones efficiently they often never show up in the urea.
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Exactly - and I hadn't thought of the keto thing that way before. Everytime I'm on the PSMF, I've pretty much given up even testing for ketosis. I do it out of curiosity, but honestly, I can be in the middle of a 5 day run with less than 800 cals/day and way less than 50 g of carbs, and the color on the stick doesn't even change. I always assumed the protein and the artificial sweetener in my protein drinks and coffee threw me out. But, it makes sense - ketones are created for fuel, and if I'm using them, they won't be in the urine. But at any rate, it's far from being necessary for fat loss.
 
kenpoengineer said:
Great job in here HG! How do you like the NPP? Do you feel it is helping the joints?
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Not taking any NPP, I'm cutting on 500mg test/ fragment peptide/Ostarine and MK-677.

But thinking about it, NPP will be on the menu for my following bulk, if I can afford it.
 
Yesterday my diet -sort of went over board. Had rice noodles to get my blood sugar up.... then some more....then a bit more....after that, 2 hands full of almonds -and to give it a fatal finish: 1lbs of grapes.

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hairygrandpa said:
Yesterday my diet -sort of went over board. Had rice noodles to get my blood sugar up.... then some more....then a bit more....after that, 2 hands full of almonds -and to give it a fatal finish: 1lbs of grapes.

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I like the Cheech and Chong reference. a little more and then a little more " Santa and the magic dust"............... LMAO
 
Guessing yesterdays calories: 2000kcal.

Well, not exactly a diet breaker but this has to stop.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yesterday my diet -sort of went over board. Had rice noodles to get my blood sugar up.... then some more....then a bit more....after that, 2 hands full of almonds -and to give it a fatal finish: 1lbs of grapes.

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lol, first off - 1 lb. of grapes, hahahahaha - that's like me with a bag of chips. I'll just have one. Well, 2 won't kill me. And then, something happens in my head where that cycle repeats, as if the only chip I can remember is the last one so I eat a 3rd as if it's my second, and a 4th (as if it's my second) and a 5th...then it's like, "What? They only put 2 chips in the bag? WTF?"

Second, get your **** together man. 6 weeks. That's all we need from you. Do you ENJOY losing? What part don't you get about this. PSMF. The F, in case you didn't notice, stands for FASTING. You are done eating. Done. No food. Just a small amount that is in the plan to keep you alive. That's it. Cut the ****. You are not eating. If someone asks you if you want something, the answer is, "I'm on a diet." they respond with, "What are you eating?" You respond with, "Nothing. I'm not eating." Bam. 4 pounds of waterweight is NOT the 18 pounds you want to lose.

Third, keep the blood sugar in check, but give into the fact you will be dragging a little. You can't fight it, and the more you fight it the more you drag it out. Take it on the chin, let your body get used to it, and sometime in week 2 you will start to clear up. It's miserable, but you can get through it.


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hairygrandpa said:
Yesterday my diet -sort of went over board. Had rice noodles to get my blood sugar up.... then some more....then a bit more....after that, 2 hands full of almonds -and to give it a fatal finish: 1lbs of grapes.
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Guy One: "It takes a fat man to admit he's made a mistake."

Guy Two: "That's BIG man, you idiot!"

:)
 
HIT4ME said:
lol, first off - 1 lb. of grapes, hahahahaha - that's like me with a bag of chips. I'll just have one. Well, 2 won't kill me. And then, something happens in my head where that cycle repeats, as if the only chip I can remember is the last one so I eat a 3rd as if it's my second, and a 4th (as if it's my second) and a 5th...then it's like, "What? They only put 2 chips in the bag? WTF?"

Second, get your **** together man. 6 weeks. That's all we need from you. Do you ENJOY losing? What part don't you get about this. PSMF. The F, in case you didn't notice, stands for FASTING. You are done eating. Done. No food. Just a small amount that is in the plan to keep you alive. That's it. Cut the ****. You are not eating. If someone asks you if you want something, the answer is, "I'm on a diet." they respond with, "What are you eating?" You respond with, "Nothing. I'm not eating." Bam. 4 pounds of waterweight is NOT the 18 pounds you want to lose.

Third, keep the blood sugar in check, but give into the fact you will be dragging a little. You can't fight it, and the more you fight it the more you drag it out. Take it on the chin, let your body get used to it, and sometime in week 2 you will start to clear up. It's miserable, but you can get through it.


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Yes Sir, will do, Sir!
Fasting, Sir!

:)
 
You do realize, losing 18 pounds in 6 weeks is not easy. If you blow the first 3 weeks, losing 18 pounds in 3 weeks will be crazy hard.
 
Here's something that will help you get in shape:

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.....Ok, maybe I've gone over the line. It's kind of something I do on the regular. The line is just so blurry for me.
 
Oh man, this is even better:

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Stop it! Simmons vids are torture!
I got it! Stay focused, move your azz and tough up! Will do! LOL
No more Simmons please!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Stop it! Simmons vids are torture!
I got it! Stay focused, move your azz and tough up! Will do! LOL
No more Simmons please!
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We all have our breaking points, I just found yours....and 95% of the male population.
 
One thing most people don't realize is the liver stores about 100g of glycogen in it and releases some of it when you go hypo, it takes 15-30 minutes but that hypo feeling will 9/10 times resolve on it's own.

Adding in 1-2 tablespoons of EVCO an hour before your workout will help a lot with energy and hypo tendencies during the workout also. Plus helps spurn your metabolism for more efficient utilization of fat for energy, especially during the workouts.
 
I'm on trying to get to 8%-10% before my next cycle and every day is such a chore, eat right, exercise, measure food, repeat...
 
lifted67 said:
I'm on trying to get to 8%-10% before my next cycle and every day is such a chore, eat right, exercise, measure food, repeat...
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Pffff.... I have no pity for you. You are already lean. To get MORE lean you have to suffer good! :saevil:Muhahaha.
 
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