KLEEN - STRONG BODY STRONG MIND!

[MrKleen73]

That's awesome you can get and a cryo chamber.

Yeah my ART guy bought one a little while back. That thing is like magic but man does 3 minutes start to feel like forever during that last minute. In all honesty though nothing else I have done has had such a major effect on residual inflammation. It is definitely worth paying for it if you ca find one around and are feeling achy or have some bitchy nagging areas.

 

[lifted67]

Sometimes the ART even feels like too much, not sure I'd last in cryo lol

 

[MrKleen73]

Sometimes the ART even feels like too much, not sure I'd last in cryo lol

You never know. I am sure you would make it.

Okay so had a frustrating evening and morning. I tried to SSB Squat last night and didn't even make it to 300lbs before my shoulder and trap were lit back up pretty bad. I think testing my maxes last week just bruised the bone even more and the trap and surrounding muscles are basically locking up trying to protect it. Anyway after several tries and mini temper tantrums from the frustration of not being able to do it I retired for the evening. My trap was too tight to try and bench press after that.

So trying to persevere I got up early this morning and decided to try high bar squats. I made it to 315 but the original shoulder was feeling it by then. I went for 405 anyway just to see if it got worse or stayed the same. Once I stood up and the weight sunk the bar into my traps my RC started to quiver like it was misfiring. I tried to decend anyway to see if I could still squat okay like that. I felt so unstable from my RC quivering I just put the weight down on the pins.

Right now I just can not squat which is EXTREMELY frustrating for me at this point in my prep. I am contemplating making this a Push Pull only meet and focus on those rather than keep trying to squat and having it hamper all of my other lifts. I mentioned this to my coach with an option to maybe to leg press and some glute activation work on squat days and try and revisit the squat a couple weeks out to see if it is worth doing.

I am also going to bite the bullet and make an appointment with my ortho to see what is going on with both of my shoulders. Perhaps even get a cortisone shot if he thinks it is safe to do so and still compete.

 

[Dma378]

Sorry to hear this man. Guilty of not following for a couple weeks, can you summarize how the injury happened?

 

[Hyde]

Trap bar deadlift in place of your squatting. You can either go push pull if it doesn't improve or take a token squat. Trap bar deads will build your pull without being anymore load than your squat day would have been on low back and hits a lot of the squat muscles really well.

You basically don't have to change anything in training that way except perhaps use a bit more weight on squat days since you're hex pulling in lieu of.

 

[booneman77]

Sorry to hear this man. Guilty of not following for a couple weeks, can you summarize how the injury happened?

He was trying to impress me and started doing jump squats with about 275... More or less

 

[MrKleen73]

Sorry to hear this man. Guilty of not following for a couple weeks, can you summarize how the injury happened?

Sure, I am dealing with 2 different injuries.

The first is still the same place in my right shoulder that I hurt in March in California. It was getting better then the end of June I had that squatting incident at that gym without the barbell collars. The weights all slipped of the left side when I walked out and then the weights on the right side jerked me down and over almost to the floor. That is why I bought the SSB bar.

The second injury stems from the SSB bar. About 3 weeks ago during Speed Squats the handle of the SSB Bar sits right on top of my ACP (Acrominum Process) and was bouncing up off my shoulders and landing right on the ACP. It bruised the bones and the muscles right around it. Now when I put the bar on top of it my trap and other muscles in the area knot up within a couple of warm up sets. I think because the muscle is contracting hard trying to protect that joint. Last week after testing my 3RM my shoulder hurt so bad it had my eyes glazing up and yesterday was my first workout since then and it knotted right back up on the 3rd set like it did after all three of my heavy sets of squats so it is hurting much earlier in the workout this week.

Trap bar deadlift in place of your squatting. You can either go push pull if it doesn't improve or take a token squat. Trap bar deads will build your pull without being anymore load than your squat day would have been on low back and hits a lot of the squat muscles really well.

You basically don't have to change anything in training that way except perhaps use a bit more weight on squat days since you're hex pulling in lieu of.

This is one of the things I was considering but coach has another plan. Going to push the dead lift even harder and replace Squats with Leg Press for quad strength and development. Since there isn't a lot of carry over from those movements we are really going to push the weights, angles, and methods done with the leg press. He will have me doing Partials, Rest Pauses, using every foot position, and going very heavy. The extra work on the Dead lift will take care of the posterior chain, and my traps won't take a constant beating from dead lifting both hex and conventional style during the week. Since my trap already has an issue that would really be a lot on it right now.

 

[Hyde]

Legpress is inferior to extra pulling frequency; the law of specificity makes that undeniable. But I wasn't aware you had trap issues when pulling also. What you can recover from is certainly the best route!

A paused at the bottom legpress specifically in your deadlift stance actually is a very underrated accessory - it makes you hit just like the start of a pull.

 

[MrKleen73]

Legpress is inferior to extra pulling frequency; the law of specificity makes that undeniable. But I wasn't aware you had trap issues when pulling also. What you can recover from is certainly the best route!

A paused at the bottom legpress specifically in your deadlift stance actually is a very underrated accessory - it makes you hit just like the start of a pull.

Yeah that is why the leg press. The trap gets knotted up pretty bad but may get better with no squats, but the ligament that attaches the acp to the humerus is inflamed too. The less I pull the arm away from the joint for the rest of prep the better. Just what is directly done to improve my deads.

The leg press is being done for more quad strength increases. Not to improve the dead lift. Just hoping that the increased back strength from deads and quad strength from the leg press will help keep my squat from dropping we probably won't even try for a couple weeks. Then if it is workable we see how much I can do without pain and decide if it is worth the risk to squat at the meet.

 

[MrKleen73]

I will try that paused leg press from the bottom pull position for sure.

 

[Hyde]

I will try that paused leg press from the bottom pull position for sure.

That's a Paul Carter trick I like. He's not some epic puller, but he's done 700 beltless in comp at 242, benched 455 close grip in the same, and handles Fred Smalls' training (who's on the Mr. O stage) so I tend to think he knows some tricks.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Maybe time for BPC157? Heal fast brother.

 

[Hyde]

Maybe time for BPC157? Heal fast brother.

Buddy here had shoulder surgery and started using 157 immediately after (it's cheap and legal after all and nobody talks of any sides) and the doctor could not believe how fast he healed. The phys therapists cut him loose like 40% of the normal time because they had nothing to help him more than he was helping himself. He was overhead pressing like 185 within a few months, it was crazy. I mean he could do 300 or so before, but still.

He put all the rehab work in obv, but he's convinced the 157 made a real difference.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Buddy here had shoulder surgery and started using 157 immediately after (it's cheap and legal after all and nobody talks of any sides) and the doctor could not believe how fast he healed. The phys therapists cut him loose like 40% of the normal time because they had nothing to help him more than he was helping himself. He was overhead pressing like 185 within a few months, it was crazy. I mean he could do 300 or so before, but still.

He put all the rehab work in obv, but he's convinced the 157 made a real difference.

^^^ Signed.
Currently on BPC, look up my log. It's no fast miracle cure IMHO -but it definitely speeds up healing!

 

[MrKleen73]

Maybe time for BPC157? Heal fast brother.

It is on my radar for sure!!!

Buddy here had shoulder surgery and started using 157 immediately after (it's cheap and legal after all and nobody talks of any sides) and the doctor could not believe how fast he healed. The phys therapists cut him loose like 40% of the normal time because they had nothing to help him more than he was helping himself. He was overhead pressing like 185 within a few months, it was crazy. I mean he could do 300 or so before, but still.

He put all the rehab work in obv, but he's convinced the 157 made a real difference.

All of my research shows the same and it did help me last time I used it.

^^^ Signed.
Currently on BPC, look up my log. It's no fast miracle cure IMHO -but it definitely speeds up healing!

Yeah not a miracle cure but helpful.

This weekend went well, did a bench day and a dead lift day to get caught up.

Bench - 335x2 x 3 sets, 345x2 x 3 sets, 355x1.95 - guy prematurely reached in for the spot as I was breaking out of a stalled point. As soon as he touched the bar he leg go of it but there was still a tiny bit of assistance. I still believe I would have gotten it if he had not touched it but it is what it is.

[video=youtube;7qplSoneEZ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qplSoneEZ8[/video]

Dead Lifts - 505x2 for 7 sets. My trap was still a little sore from the SSB bar the other day so I stayed @ 505 instead of pushing it up to 525-535. I will work in that heavier range this week.

Today is a recovery day so eating only protein and fats and not lifting. Tomorrow will be my first workout with the leg presses replacing squats. Should be quite interesting trying to go into low reps on the leg press. It is going to take forever to gather and replace all of the 45 plates to fill that thing up!!! I am not even sure how heavy I will need to go to get to an RPE9 at 2 reps. Last time I did rep work on it I was doing 22 plates total for 8 reps per set.

My next deadlift session will have twice the amount of sets to make up for the lack of squatting.

 

[Hyde]

I don't want to speak out of place here, but a max double on the legpress might not even be possible without a sidespotter to help smooth things along. Kinda like a 2RM Pulldown - anything I can actually touch on the Pulldown will likely be able to row more than 2.

This gon' be good!

 

[MrKleen73]

I don't want to speak out of place here, but a max double on the legpress might not even be possible without a sidespotter to help smooth things along. Kinda like a 2RM Pulldown - anything I can actually touch on the Pulldown will likely be able to row more than 2.

This gon' be good!

Yeah this was my thought too. If things are just too crazy I may have to settle for a couple more reps per set. Who knows though, I haven't leg pressed in about 2 months, but I don't expect any strength loss either.

I mean this was 2 years ago with 11 plates per side and my resistance bands for 10 reps. As you can tell not much more room on the bar.

[video=youtube;6gZMZ6GaqMU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gZMZ6GaqMU[/video]

 

[jswain34]

What exactly is the purpose of hitting an @9 double on the leg press...seems kind of stupid imo. No offense, just my 2 cents.

 

[jimbuick]

What exactly is the purpose of hitting an @9 double on the leg press...seems kind of stupid imo. No offense, just my 2 cents.

Just to replace squats so the inflammation in his shoulder can clear up before the meet.

 

[MrKleen73]

What exactly is the purpose of hitting an @9 double on the leg press...seems kind of stupid imo. No offense, just my 2 cents.

jswain34 Not offended at all, my coach has me doing this to strengthen my quads because I can't put any weight on my shoulders right now. I figured maybe 4-6 reps considering how hard it is to load a sled with enough weight to only be able to get an RPE9. We will take it out and add Squats back in as soon as possible.

As you can see on the video above, there is maybe enough for 180lbs more on the weight holders, and I was not at an RPE9, even the 10th rep although hard was still moving pretty quickly. I could have done 2-3 more reps there. So I have a feeling I will just max out the weights and rep until an RPE9 however many reps that is.

I have to have some faith here that he knows more than I do. After prepping over 60 people for meets he has seen a lot of issues and worked through them coming out on the other side with good results. Leg Press wasn't his first choice but the other obvious choices I have other issues & injuries going on that keep me from doing them. With my injuries, the leg press is about the best way to get the level of tension on my quads that I need at this time. Only thing I question is the rep/RPE scheme. Like I said to me 4-6 reps on leg press is probably the lowest I would ever go on my own.

 

[Hyde]

5 reps sounds very doable, especially with bands if you run out of room

 

[jswain34]

The part where you said "leg press wasn't his first choice" was all I needed to see. Im truthfully not a fan of leg press really whatsoever, especially for low reps. So take whatever i say in terms of negatives on leg press with a grain of salt, but the sacral nutation and the fact that your lumbar is shoved up against a pad without a place to go (no hip hinge either) is a recipe for a lower lumbar herniation imo. But a lot of people have done leg press for a long time and never had a problem.

 

[MrKleen73]

5 reps sounds very doable, especially with bands if you run out of room

The part where you said "leg press wasn't his first choice" was all I needed to see. Im truthfully not a fan of leg press really whatsoever, especially for low reps. So take whatever i say in terms of negatives on leg press with a grain of salt, but the sacral nutation and the fact that your lumbar is shoved up against a pad without a place to go (no hip hinge either) is a recipe for a lower lumbar herniation imo. But a lot of people have done leg press for a long time and never had a problem.

Yeah, I am very careful now not to go below where my hips roll forward, or I lose that neutral spine position. I used to go knees into my armpits. Now I just go through the safest part of the ROM to avoid injury.

So I got 26 plates on the leg press last night for 7 sets of 2. They were hard work by the end. I only recorded one set about halfway through the workout.

Paused Leg Press - 6 plates x10, 10 plates x8, 14 plates x5, 18 plates x3, 22 plates x2, 24 plates x2, 26 plates x2 x 7 sets. I could have gone 3 on some of these I think but I was pushing with everything I had and it felt like it was moving kind of slow but when I looked on the video it wasn't. Then again the 5th, 6th and 7th set were tougher.

[video=youtube;ZSqbfO2nkJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqbfO2nkJI[/video]

I didn't have time to do the speed bench and will do that tonight. Too many people coming up asking how I was, plus there was a line waiting on the leg press so I was waiting around for a bit before I could get on it.

 

[Hyde]

Looked smooth

 

[MrKleen73]

Looked smooth

Thanks, it felt good, next will be a few plates on top of the foot platform then maybe add in bands if needed. Hopefully I will be squatting again in the next two weeks.

 

[MrKleen73]

Looked smooth

Thanks, it felt good, next will be a few plates on top of the foot platform then maybe add in bands if needed. Hopefully I will be squatting again in the next two weeks.

 

[Dma378]

That's just awesome!!

 

[MrKleen73]

That's just awesome!!

Thanks Daniel!

So I tried to poison myself with food Tuesday, ate some freezer burnt beef for lunch and was throwing up by 7:00PM. Ended up awake most of the night sick and couldn't hold anything down until early afternoon yesterday. Spent the day sleeping as much as possible and feel MUCH better today.

This weekend starts the 4rth week out from competition. All of my doses change and I add in a couple compounds Saturday. That is when I expect the strength gains to really blow up. Thus far not much on the gains side of things but again I am training for strength only at this point. I simply don't have the volume to drive a lot of hypertrophy, but the weights are definitely increasing. Ready to bring this bad boy home. Hard to believe we started prep 8 weeks ago. I mean at this rate the meet will be here before I know it. It seemed so far away when I started prep. Now it seems like it is damn near tomorrow how quickly it is coming up.

About to go order some more TUDCA on the OL Sale.

 

[Rocket3015]

Glad you are doing better !!

 

[MrKleen73]

Glad you are doing better !!

Thanks Brother!

 

[MrKleen73]

Bench went well this morning but my shoulder was really slow to warm up. Once it did though it was ready to do some work. I have to go to the garage tonight to do some speed work on Front Squats or try too since the long warm up did not leave me any time to do them this morning.


Sling Shot Bench:
Warm Ups - Empty Bar x20, 95x10, 135x8, 185x3, 205x2, 225x2, 255x1, 275x1, 315x1

Work sets - 345x1, 355x1, 360x1, 365x1, 365x1, 365x1, 365x1 - Finding the weight is tricky when injured. The first couple sets I considered work sets were hard work, but didn't get any harder as I increased until I hit 365 which was definitely hard work. I think my CNS was just getting better each set.

[video=youtube;1UKeBN7wZ8k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UKeBN7wZ8k[/video]

 

[hairygrandpa]

Nice benching, very attentive spotter!

Like your neon green radioactive intra-workout drink! What is in it?

 

[MrKleen73]

Nice benching, very attentive spotter!

Like your neon green radioactive intra-workout drink! What is in it?

My custom made intra drink. Half blood of The Hulk, mixed with blood from a Berzerker, and stirred with the mighty Miljorn! (Thor's Hammer)

No really there is 10g vegetable glycerin, 10 grams glutamine, 5 grams taurine, 5 grams creatine, 50grams Karboload from TN, 50 grams isolate protein, and one scoop of MuscleFeast Competition intra mixed in a half gallon of water. For ANYONE looking for an ELITE Amino acid complex that will kick your amino acid complexes ass then you must try some Competition. Flavor is pretty good but the ingredient profile would make other aminos blush.

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[MrKleen73]

Man what a weekend, workouts were BEASTLY!!!!

This was my first adjusted Dead Lift workout. AKA double the volume while squats are not being done.

I have to say 14 sets was BRUTAL, trying to maintain and RPE 9.5 is very tricky!!!! In the end I had 11 successful sets at or above the 500 mark which is pretty good in my book. I went up too high and almost hit a 10 on the 555lbs and then had a couple missed sets while backing down trying to see where an RPE 9.5 would be after a little bit of grinding on the 555 set.

Saturday
Conventional Dead lifts performed as singles-

Warm Up - 135x8, 225x5, 315x3, 365x1, 405x1, 455x1, 495x1
Work Sets - 525, 545, 555, 555-F, 545-F, 525, 530, 535, 535-F, 510, 510, 515, 515, 515


Speed Rack Pulls - 315x3 x 7 sets

[video=youtube;Nh0fxgE7hIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh0fxgE7hIs[/video]



Sunday BFR Workout Warm up to working weight, Occlude then do 3 hard work sets with 30 seconds rest.

Leg Extensions 3x15 @175lbs

Fully Shortened Lying Leg Curls 3x15 @75lbs

Calves 3x15 @330lbs

Preacher Curls 3x15 @60lbs

Seated Dip Machine Press Downs - 3x15 @250lbs

Pump was ridiculous after this. I actually got lactic acid high enough with this it made me puke after the workout.

Today is a day off and I am happy to be off.



Body Health - Trap area is getting much better without the SSB directly on top of it. Dead lifts felt better than they have in a couple weeks, Bench felt pretty good just had a bit of a longer warm up on them to be safe. ART is helping with a lot of those issues. Also had ART guy start on right elbow too in order to give me a little more wiggle room to get into a squat.

After looking at the records and standings I am poised to do well in the Masters class. I may do a crossover into the open but more than likely will just stay in the Masters where I belong. Also if the extra weight doesn't start coming on we will more than likely end up dropping down to the 198 class. As of right now I am only 7lbs off. We aren't making any adjustments calorie-wise so I have a feeling I might stick around this weight.

 

[booneman77]

Man what a weekend, workouts were BEASTLY!!!!

This was my first adjusted Dead Lift workout. AKA double the volume while squats are not being done.

I have to say 14 sets was BRUTAL, trying to maintain and RPE 9.5 is very tricky!!!! In the end I had 11 successful sets at or above the 500 mark which is pretty good in my book. I went up too high and almost hit a 10 on the 555lbs and then had a couple missed sets while backing down trying to see where an RPE 9.5 would be after a little bit of grinding on the 555 set.

Saturday
Conventional Dead lifts performed as singles-

Warm Up - 135x8, 225x5, 315x3, 365x1, 405x1, 455x1, 495x1
Work Sets - 525, 545, 555, 555-F, 545-F, 525, 530, 535, 535-F, 510, 510, 515, 515, 515


Speed Rack Pulls - 315x3 x 7 sets

[video=youtube;Nh0fxgE7hIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh0fxgE7hIs[/video]



Sunday BFR Workout Warm up to working weight, Occlude then do 3 hard work sets with 30 seconds rest.

Leg Extensions 3x15 @175lbs

Fully Shortened Lying Leg Curls 3x15 @75lbs

Calves 3x15 @330lbs

Preacher Curls 3x15 @60lbs

Seated Dip Machine Press Downs - 3x15 @250lbs

Pump was ridiculous after this. I actually got lactic acid high enough with this it made me puke after the workout.

Today is a day off and I am happy to be off.



Body Health - Trap area is getting much better without the SSB directly on top of it. Dead lifts felt better than they have in a couple weeks, Bench felt pretty good just had a bit of a longer warm up on them to be safe. ART is helping with a lot of those issues. Also had ART guy start on right elbow too in order to give me a little more wiggle room to get into a squat.

After looking at the records and standings I am poised to do well in the Masters class. I may do a crossover into the open but more than likely will just stay in the Masters where I belong. Also if the extra weight doesn't start coming on we will more than likely end up dropping down to the 198 class. As of right now I am only 7lbs off. We aren't making any adjustments calorie-wise so I have a feeling I might stick around this weight.

THe nice thing is taht being within 10lb or so you wont actually have to "cut" any realy weight... no mass or power loss for sure.

 

[jswain34]

A lot of volume in the 90+% there brotha. Good work. I agree, if you're that close to the 198s you may as well get down to it. You may even set some masters records in that class...

 

[MrKleen73]

A lot of volume in the 90+% there brotha. Good work. I agree, if you're that close to the 198s you may as well get down to it. You may even set some masters records in that class...

Thanks and yes it is a lot of volume in that range. Pushing that overreaching into the stratosphere. The extra volume on Dead Lifts is why replacing the Leg press with Hex Bar Deads was not done. We transferred that volume over to the Deads for more specificity training. That way if I end up just doing the IronMan I am really peaked for a hell of a pull. I feel like had I stopped going up at 545 I could have done a good chunk of my sets there for a single. I think that 545 was closer to my 9.5 RPE and the 555 was about a 10.

I am still trying to get all of the RPE sorted in my mind. I tend to overshoot on some of them once I get up into the 9 range.

 

[kenpoengineer]

I felt those in my back by just watching the video. Awesome job Chris!

 

[Hyde]

I see 600 on the table. At least 584 for sure.

 

[MrKleen73]

I felt those in my back by just watching the video. Awesome job Chris!

Thanks Mark!

I see 600 on the table. At least 584 for sure.

Thanks! Those are my hopes. Feeling pretty strong for sure.

So this morning was Leg Press time. I increased the volume by doing sets of 2 from the beginning instead of just the last 2 sets.

Leg Press 26 plates x 2 for 7 sets

[video=youtube;vYHkJq75h7g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYHkJq75h7g[/video]

 

[hairygrandpa]

The gym music!

26 plates. All the other dudes had a plate shortage because of you, LOL!

 

[MrKleen73]

The gym music!

26 plates. All the other dudes had a plate shortage because of you, LOL!

Yeah pretty much. If there had been 1-2 other strong guys lifting or squatting, things would have gotten a little tight.

Lucky it wasn't national chest day or there would have been some unhappy benchers.

 

[MrKleen73]

You know I didn't even pay attention to the music when I made the vids but I had some nice sound insulation via heavy kick ass music blaring in my ears!

 

[jimbuick]

I see 600 on the table. At least 584 for sure.

I'm expecting 600 for him with the TDB and a peak. Plus ammonia.

 

[MrKleen73]

I'm expecting 600 for him with the TDB and a peak. Plus ammonia.

Thanks and speaking of, I better pull that stuff out and use it once before the meet to see how much I need to huff and don't have any surprises on the platform.

 

[jswain34]

Thanks and speaking of, I better pull that stuff out and use it once before the meet to see how much I need to huff and don't have any surprises on the platform.

Good idea. I'll never forget my first time using it lol. I basically had the tip of my nose inside the bottle and just took a huge whiff...I destroyed the pull, but there were tears running down my face while doing it

 

[Hyde]

Thanks and speaking of, I better pull that stuff out and use it once before the meet to see how much I need to huff and don't have any surprises on the platform.

I only pulled 554 once in my peak 2.5 weeks out and you saw my 584 from the comp. You pulled much much more volume 515-555 the other day and you will be peaking drugs additionally. The only way 6 doesn't happen is if your grip isn't up to par or squat injures you substantially before, honestly.

What oral are you going to use?

 

[jimbuick]

I don't use ammonia in training at all, only on meet attempts.

Typically, I take a light hit on openers or second attempts to get a feel for it.


Then I go all in on the 3rds.

 

[jswain34]

I don't use ammonia in training at all, only on meet attempts.

Typically, I take a light hit on openers or second attempts to get a feel for it.


Then I go all in on the 3rds.

Ditto. Maybe in the overreach, but thats the only time outside meet attempts.

 

[MrKleen73]

Good idea. I'll never forget my first time using it lol. I basically had the tip of my nose inside the bottle and just took a huge whiff...I destroyed the pull, but there were tears running down my face while doing it

Well I would take that experience too but if I can do it without balling my eyes out even better. Have just heard a few people say they hit it too hard before and it almost screwed their lift. I guess there is a point of no return maybe?

I only pulled 554 once in my peak 2.5 weeks out and you saw my 584 from the comp. You pulled much much more volume 515-555 the other day and you will be peaking drugs additionally. The only way 6 doesn't happen is if your grip isn't up to par or squat injures you substantially before, honestly.

What oral are you going to use?

DBol, at 25mg a day now and will bump to 50mg a day 2 weeks from the meet. Also runining Tren Ace 50mg 3 times a week. Will bump that to 85 3 times a week 2 weeks out.

I don't use ammonia in training at all, only on meet attempts.

Typically, I take a light hit on openers or second attempts to get a feel for it.


Then I go all in on the 3rds.

Yeah that is the basic plan, but I want to get one good huff in to see how I react. I didn't get too big of one when I tried it the first time out in the shed at your house.

Ditto. Maybe in the overreach, but thats the only time outside meet attempts.

Yeah, I don't want to get used to it. You get used to it you will dump less adrenaline I am sure.