HIT4ME
Well-known member
23AUG16
Legs:
BB Back Squat:
20 X Bar
10 X 135
7 X 225
3 X 275
1 X 295 - Left Hip, Weird Feeling, Not During Lift But After
1 X 295
3 X 275
2 X 275
2 X 275
BB Front Squats - ATG, Pauses:
3 X 135
3 X 155
2 X 175
3 X 135
Sumo Pulls:
5 X 135
4 X 225
2 X 315
0 X 405 - Hips Still Too Weak For 405 Sumo
3 X 315
3 X 315
*I can feel that my Sumo's have a lot of potential. 315 is consistently smooth, even on sets at the end. Once my hips get stronger then I should break through some major plateaus
GHR's SS w/ Single Leg Sled Press:
15 X BW/10 X 2 PPS
15 X BW/8 X 3 PPS
15 X BW/8 X 3 PPS
Unilateral Extensions SS w/ Unilateral Standing Hamstring Curl:
20 ea. X 70/20 ea. X 60
20 ea. X 90/20 ea. X 80
15 ea. X 110/7-8 ea. (+7-8 Partials) X 100
Switched things up today...trying to take the advice of HIT4ME and go with the less is more approach, especially for the bigger lifts. With doing less, I've gotta find the right balance between intensity and volume to still be productive...looks like I'll be learning more and more through the next couple lower body days. I like the feel of doing pulls on leg days, the Sumo's felt great. Like better than they've ever felt before. But my hips are still weak, as it was the first thing to break in the chain when I attempted 405. Quads/Hams/Glutes felt fine and seemed to be working in unison while pulling. Lower back involvement was minimum, as it should be for Sumo, and I noticed a little tiny bit of thoracic rounding. Nothing injury worthy (I hope) but these should also help strengthen that area up. Once I got the movements that were higher reps, the pump was quick to come, so the GG/Dust combo seems to work. I was also sweating my a$$ off from the get-go, awesome feeling. Focus was crazy too, hopefully this first dose isn't a fluke. The hip pain/tightness went away once I got in to doing the pulls, so it was probably just really tight. Also did 20-25 mins of fasted Stairmaster this morning too. We have Friday off, so I'm contemplating going in for cardio tomorrow and not going in on Friday.
Talking about "less is more", watched some youtubers talk about it, stating: it's the opposite, apparently overtraining creates more muscle nuclei, example: mechanics using wrenches all day have huge forearms.
Then I saw an ex champ from the 70's , he said: 3 times a week / 3 sets per body part is enough, it worked then-it works now.
My head spins... LOL
Dear god, you and me both brother. There's so many different theories out there. Most with at least one elite-level athlete behind the program stating it works. I can wrap my head ahead the styles of DC and Yates', and also John Meadows' MOUNTAIN DOG training. But those, like we've discussed before, require a lot of planning, knowing your maxes, how to push yourself, etc. etc. Meanwhile, you've got guys like us who love to throw it all into the workout and still make progress, at a decent pace, and fairly consistently. Albeit, it may not be maximal and there may be some diminished returns, but with anecdotal evidence that it works we are reluctant to do something so opposite of what's been working. "Head spinning" doesn't even begin to describe it.
Looking at you, keep doing what you do!
We both like the higher volume -more sets approach, even if less is equally beneficial, I would not do it.
What really got me thinking.. is it possible we need more rest to optimize gains, like doing 4 days of 2 times a month?
Lifting seems so easy, just move iron in different ways until you can't do it anymore, that's it... but apparently not. LOL
Yes, I've also thought about extended time off (3-5 days rest) but I scream "NONONONONONO" in my head every time it crosses my mind...I will stick with the less sets/more intensity approach for lower body, especially pulls/squats for the next couple weeks to see how it works. If I notice a POSITIVE change in strength or size I will slowly, yet still reluctantly, try out the same approach for upper body. I'm desperate at this point to become stronger on the squat and deadlift. Even in a deficit, it can still be done. I believe so anyway.
Sparks2012, thanks for the mention! Sorry for the late follow up. I've been so crazy at work the last couple days. From the looks of your photos, there isn't many pages that you need to take out of my book! You are there man. I am trying to get where you are, I should be doing whatever you did.
DC and Yates styles are right in line with my philosophies. I've tried explaining my theories to HGP and I think I am bad at it so I haven't gotten it to click yet
My philosophy is that we train to grow. The process goes: train to stimulate a response, recover (replace the energy burned training and repair damage), grow (over compensate so that you are better prepared for the stress)
This means that you should be seeing strength increases every single workout. Because if you train effectively (meaning you have stimulated growth), then when you workout next time there should be some over compensation from that stimulus. If you train, and then come back and are not stronger then you either didn't stimulate growth, didn't recover, or didn't over compensate.
And of course your body can't over compensate until it has recovered.
So, if you KNOW you stimulated growth, and still haven't become stronger, you then KNOW you haven't fulfilled step 3 (over compensation) and you may not have fulfilled step 2 (recovery).
What this means is that there is a specific dose of exercise necessary for growth, and the more exercise you do, the more time you need for recovery (because you burn more energy and do more damage).
In this light, longer sessions can be effective, but you have to give like get periods for recovery and over compensation. If you do short, hard workouts, you can recover more quickly and grow more quickly, and thus train again soon err and run the cycle more quickly. The question becomes, how quick is that actually? Mike Mentzer applied this theory to hundreds of clients he said and found some people had very poor recovery abilities and could do very little volume once every four days before they saw strength increases. He suggested this was a starting point because if you start there, you can experiment with more frequency until you stop seeing results and then you have actual timeframes for recovery. But if you just randomly start at 2x per week, and it doesn't create improvements every time, do you do higher frequency or lower frequency? You could go in two directions and never figure out where you should be.
The downside of Mentzers theories is that the CNS has a harder time recovering than a muscle. Lifting heavy can really stress the CNS and hinder recovery. Mentzer suggested moderate rep ranges and higher rep ranges for legs, and I think this is why, even though he never really talks about the CNS.
Of course, if you are doing 20 sets per body part today and go back in 3 days and you are stronger, then you obviously have run through all three steps (stimulate, recover, grow)....so you aren't overthrowing, you are getting results.
