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Donald Trump running for president

Gutterpump said:
Join the Libertarian movement/party!! They don't believe in interventionism, you'd be a great fit, and we'd welcome ya with open arms! They embolden all things great about Conservatives and Liberals. Freedom of choice, to live how we wish, whilst remaining responsible.
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I CAN'T WASTE MY VOTE...I will do anything to keep Hillary out of the white house.

after this election I think a 3rd party will be a more viable alternative.
 
thebigt said:
lol...when a pro athlete says it isn't about the money...it's about the money...lol......I understand perfectly though, I would still have strong feelings for my place of birth and upbringing if I were you.....

there once was a time when America was a destination that truly was way above what immigrants were leaving behind. they assimilated into their new lives and never looked back. I think this might be what trump is talking about when he says 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN'.
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Dude I was raking in the cash in Canada! I worked as a freelancer, mostly made my own hours, and had way more business than I could handle, so I was able to charge a LOT!

But here I'm only allowed to work for the 1 company that my visa's been issued for. Which is what I've done the past 10yrs. It might change when I get married and get a green card, but I'm liking the work/life balance of only 1 job and not working for myself.
 
Gutterpump said:
Dude I was raking in the cash in Canada! I worked as a freelancer, mostly made my own hours, and had way more business than I could handle, so I was able to charge a LOT!

But here I'm only allowed to work for the 1 company that my visa's been issued for. Which is what I've done the past 10yrs. It might change when I get married and get a green card, but I'm liking the work/life balance of only 1 job and not working for myself.
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the wisest man I ever met was an old black guy named willie [rip], he was my 1st AA sponsor..he always told me that 'everything in live is a tradeoff, you wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a payoff for you'...

he also told me...'you always have a choice-they might not be good choices but you always get to chose what you do'.....and this is why I am voting for trump.
 
Gutterpump said:
Join the Libertarian movement/party!! They don't believe in interventionism, you'd be a great fit, and we'd welcome ya with open arms! They embolden all things great about Conservatives and Liberals. Freedom of choice, to live how we wish, whilst remaining responsible.
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Exactly. They combine a lot of the best things from each party (freedom). Honestly, the biggest thing keeping the libertarian party from being relevant right now isn't that people don't agree with the platform, it's mostly that people view voting for a third party as "throwing away their vote" when, in reality, if everyone who supported a third party voted for the third party, they'd actually have a chance to win, or at least get enough votes to make it to the major debates and show that the potential is there. I predict the libertarian party will become much more popular next presidential election, ESPECIALLY if Clinton wins.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Exactly. They combine a lot of the best things from each party (freedom). Honestly, the biggest thing keeping the libertarian party from being relevant right now isn't that people don't agree with the platform, it's mostly that people view voting for a third party as "throwing away their vote" when, in reality, if everyone who supported a third party voted for the third party, they'd actually have a chance to win, or at least get enough votes to make it to the major debates and show that the potential is there. I predict the libertarian party will become much more popular next presidential election, ESPECIALLY if Clinton wins.
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if everyone would have bought AMC GREMLIN'S they would still be in production---IF IF IF IF IF

as it stands, voting 3rd party is half a vote for Clinton to me....I need a viable option, never Clinton!!!
 
thebigt said:
the wisest man I ever met was an old black guy named willie [rip], he was my 1st AA sponsor..he always told me that 'everything in live is a tradeoff, you wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a payoff for you'...

he also told me...'you always have a choice-they might not be good choices but you always get to chose what you do'.....and this is why I am voting for trump.
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Not to pry but....ultimately what got you to quit drinking? I've been drinking far too often lately and keep making excuses why I don't stop. Honestly I enjoy a glass of wine after a long day or an ice cold beer after a hard days work. I work 45 hours a week, pay all my bills, etc. but at what point do you say....time to quit or, perhaps this is becoming an addiction. Thanks, feel free to PM me if you'd prefer privacy
 
thebigt said:
if everyone would have bought AMC GREMLIN'S they would still be in production---IF IF IF IF IF

as it stands, voting 3rd party is half a vote for Clinton to me....I need a viable option, never Clinton!!!
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In this election in particular, I see your point; I really don't want Clinton to be President, but there are other elections, and other non-President elections/positions to consider to help get people to take the libertarian party seriously. Did the Gremlin fail because it was a bad vehicle or there were better alternatives to buy though? That's not the issue with the Libertarian Party; they have a good platform, definitely better than the other big two options.
 
thebigt said:
you ever notice how history repeats itself...it's like all those protesters and Bernie supporters are reliving the 60's and 70's---they are not progressive, they are regressive....they are trying to bring back the anything goes liberal movement of the hippies and radicals of my youth...socialism was tried by the hippies-ever hear of communes? and black panthers aint nothing new, seen them before-todays liberals are just stealing ideas of the 60's and 70's-talk about focusing on the past and being non-progressive---todays liberals aint nothing but a bunch of copycats!!!
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The NAACP held a sit in in Bob Goodlatte's office, protesting something the US Supreme Court changed.

Let's go back to Occupy Wall St. What did they do. A massive sit in, because that's what the radical progressives did in the 60's.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
Not to pry but....ultimately what got you to quit drinking? I've been drinking far too often lately and keep making excuses why I don't stop. Honestly I enjoy a glass of wine after a long day or an ice cold beer after a hard days work. I work 45 hours a week, pay all my bills, etc. but at what point do you say....time to quit or, perhaps this is becoming an addiction. Thanks, feel free to PM me if you'd prefer privacy
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I was a problem drinker starting at an early age, I also abused drugs in my youth. things escalated over the years and I attempted to quit many times, I knew I had a problem but the urge to drink was too strong. I would quit for awhile, then think I could handle it and go back...I did this yoyo act for many years until things got to the point where I just didn't feel that drinking was worth all the good things in my life that I was very close to losing, primarily my wife and kids. I have always held a job, I guess I was what they call a functioning alcoholic but my job performance was definitely suffering.

then one Friday night I really tied one on, I woke up the next day and felt like I wanted to die, and I couldn't remember hardly anything from the night before....I sat there on my bed and thought this is not the life I want, so I decided once and for all to quit....I have never looked back, and hardly ever am tempted to drink-all I have to do is tell myself how much better my life is since I quit drinking....I would be remiss if I didn't include willie and GOD, willie convinced me to turn my life over to my higher power [GOD]. I was brought up in the church but wasn't really very religious, it was a struggle to turn my life over to GOD but it was the best decision I have ever made, it saved my life!!!!

thank you willie, I love you man!!! RIP...seriously brought a tear to my eyes typing that....
 
thebigt said:
I was a problem drinker starting at an early age, I also abused drugs in my youth. things escalated over the years and I attempted to quit many times, I knew I had a problem but the urge to drink was too strong. I would quit for awhile, then think I could handle it and go back...I did this yoyo act for many years until things got to the point where I just didn't feel that drinking was worth all the good things in my life that I was very close to losing, primarily my wife and kids. I have always held a job, I guess I was what they call a functioning alcoholic but my job performance was definitely suffering.

then one Friday night I really tied one on, I woke up the next day and felt like I wanted to die, and I couldn't remember hardly anything from the night before....I sat there on my bed and thought this is not the life I want, so I decided once and for all to quit....I have never looked back, and hardly ever am tempted to drink-all I have to do is tell myself how much better my life is since I quit drinking....I would be remiss if I didn't include willie and GOD, willie convinced me to turn my life over to my higher power [GOD]. I was brought up in the church but wasn't really very religious, it was a struggle to turn my life over to GOD but it was the best decision I have ever made, it saved my life!!!!

thank you willie, I love you man!!! RIP...seriously brought a tear to my eyes typing that....
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I don't have the words to thank you properly it just know that I appreciate your response more than you know. I don't know you but I am very glad that you are alive and sober today. God bless you and your family, man! I need to make some serious changes.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
I don't have the words to thank you properly it just know that I appreciate your response more than you know. I don't know you but I am very glad that you are alive and sober today. God bless you and your family, man! I need to make some serious changes.
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thank you, it did me good to remember that life and not take anything for granted!!!
 
youngandfree said:
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The NAACP held a sit in in Bob Goodlatte's office, protesting something the US Supreme Court changed.

Let's go back to Occupy Wall St. What did they do. A massive sit in, because that's what the radical progressives did in the 60's.
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I have nothing against sit in, fck i encourage them. Its a peaceful and successful way to protest. Much better them BLM lynching whites, killing cops, ****ting on American flags. Fck you black lives matter you are terrorist.
 
thebigt said:
the wisest man I ever met was an old black guy named willie [rip], he was my 1st AA sponsor..he always told me that 'everything in live is a tradeoff, you wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a payoff for you'...

he also told me...'you always have a choice-they might not be good choices but you always get to chose what you do'.....
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Completely agree. I had a problem though, an addiction. I was a workaholic and it almost killed me. When I moved to NY, I turned my life around. Joined a gym, got a trainer 5 days of the week. Limited myself to working 9-5. Started taking my health seriously. It was in that time I joined up on AM. I was a regular in the anti-aging forum. So in essence, this website helped me turn my life around.
 
Gutterpump said:
Completely agree. I had a problem though, an addiction. I was a workaholic and it almost killed me. When I moved to NY, I turned my life around. Joined a gym, got a trainer 5 days of the week. Limited myself to working 9-5. Started taking my health seriously. It was in that time I joined up on AM. I was a regular in the anti-aging forum. So in essence, this website helped me turn my life around.
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Another man saved! Ahh, the wonders of bodybuilding forums, lol. :)
 
NutraChem said:
Another man saved! Ahh, the wonders of bodybuilding forums, lol. :)
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Ahhh you know, I traded one addiction for another lol

The funny thing is that I usually hate talking politics too, unless it's with family... But this election year is so crazy, I couldn't stay away lol
 
ROFL!!!!

The one 1%er who is against 1%ers just bought himself a $600,000 second summer home in Vermont!!!

What a phony peace of human filth!!!!
 
Gutterpump said:
Yup that's why the GOP wants to revert back to the 1800's hehe... jk of course
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If you actually understood economics and the politicals you would see how rebulicans have always wanted it a certian way just as democracts. As there is two main ways to run a government.

Low taxes with low involvement in private sector allowing capitalism to thrive, on its own. This works, the issues is business starts srewing people once the become successful. 1800s you have jp morgan and all his business and minions. In 1900s you have pretty much anyone that had production companies, making goods in the USA out sourcing ti china.

Or medium to high taxes with lots of government control on the private sector. This has shown that it doesnt work over and over, only "exception" is china and no one will ever say china is a good place to live.

Your best economy is in the middle. Medium to low taxes, with just enough control in the private sector to prevent them from screwing people and occasionally lots of help when you see trends of a recession.
 
rtmilburn said:
If you actually understood economics and the politicals you would see how rebulicans have always wanted it a certian way just as democracts. As there is two main ways to run a government.

Low taxes with low involvement in private sector allowing capitalism to thrive, on its own. This works, the issues is business starts srewing people once the become successful. 1800s you have jp morgan and all his business and minions. In 1900s you have pretty much anyone that had production companies, making goods in the USA out sourcing ti china.

Or medium to high taxes with lots of government control on the private sector. This has shown that it doesnt work over and over, only "exception" is china and no one will ever say china is a good place to live.

Your best economy is in the middle. Medium to low taxes, with just enough control in the private sector to prevent them from screwing people and occasionally lots of help when you see trends of a recession.
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Oh, well like I was saying, I was mostly jk hehe... I understand economics ;) I'm actually fiscally conservative tbh. I was more poking fun at some of the GOP's stance on women, how they should not have control over their own bodies, equal pay in the workplace, etc. Gender/racial views and such.
 
rtmilburn said:
If you actually understood economics and the politicals you would see how rebulicans have always wanted it a certian way just as democracts. As there is two main ways to run a government.

Low taxes with low involvement in private sector allowing capitalism to thrive, on its own. This works, the issues is business starts srewing people once the become successful. 1800s you have jp morgan and all his business and minions. In 1900s you have pretty much anyone that had production companies, making goods in the USA out sourcing ti china.

Or medium to high taxes with lots of government control on the private sector. This has shown that it doesnt work over and over, only "exception" is china and no one will ever say china is a good place to live.

Your best economy is in the middle. Medium to low taxes, with just enough control in the private sector to prevent them from screwing people and occasionally lots of help when you see trends of a recession.
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China is a good place to live...hahaha

Actually, if your middle class there its really nice....in some ways its like cowboy renegade country, more freedoms and less tyranny to do things and get away from it than here in NY. In other ways its worse but really you can make it really good there and do more things than here is many instances.
 
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The media up in arms about what Trump said about 2nd ammendment supporters, but ignore Hilary suggesting she'll stay in the 2008 race in case someone kills Obama like they did Robert Kennedy.
 
Gutterpump said:
Oh, well like I was saying, I was mostly jk hehe... I understand economics ;) I'm actually fiscally conservative tbh. I was more poking fun at some of the GOP's stance on women, how they should not have control over their own bodies, equal pay in the workplace, etc. Gender/racial views and such.
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Libs "claim" to want equal pay, but don't actually carry it out.

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Men at the Clinton Foundation crime syndicate make 38% more than women.
 
youngandfree said:
Libs "claim" to want equal pay, but don't actually carry it out.

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Men at the Clinton Foundation crime syndicate make 38% more than women.
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I've always wondered how one can really truly remove bias from the workplace.

Say you have a man and woman, both equally qualified, doing the same job, but the woman is making less. How do you force employers to change this type of bias? It would always be easy to justify pay increases for certain employees over others, and mask any possible underlying bias.
 
Gutterpump said:
I've always wondered how one can really truly remove bias from the workplace.

Say you have a man and woman, both equally qualified, doing the same job, but the woman is making less. How do you force employers to change this type of bias? It would always be easy to justify pay increases for certain employees over others, and mask any possible underlying bias.
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It's easy if you actually live out the convictions you shout from the rooftops. The CCS, Clinton crime Syndicate, decides to close the gender pay gap they accuse republicans of legislating and desiring. They say starting tomorrow, or the next pay period, whatever, women will be payed the same as men. Now most feminazis like Clinton should decrease the pay of the males to equalize things, and take away from the men. But they wont, so they should increase the pay of the women to equalize things.

But they won't do that either, as evidenced by their history.
 
Eh, convictions don't necessarily easily equate to laws though.

I agree with raising women's mean pay to be normalized with men (of similar experience, qualification, etc), but you can't just wave a wand and it's done. There's obviously so much more involved in someone's pay (tenure, work ethic ie: on job effort/performance, bonuses, etc, etc).
 
Gutterpump said:
Eh, convictions don't necessarily easily equate to laws though.

I agree with raising women's mean pay to be normalized with men (of similar experience, qualification, etc), but you can't just wave a wand and it's done. There's obviously so much more involved in someone's pay (tenure, work ethic ie: on job effort/performance, bonuses, etc, etc).
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Who gives the best BJ...

jk
 
Gutterpump said:
Eh, convictions don't necessarily easily equate to laws though.

I agree with raising women's mean pay to be normalized with men (of similar experience, qualification, etc), but you can't just wave a wand and it's done. There's obviously so much more involved in someone's pay (tenure, work ethic ie: on job effort/performance, bonuses, etc, etc).
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If you run your own organization, you have complete control over who gets payed what. There's no laws involved in the decision.
 
youngandfree said:
If you run your own organization, you have complete control over who gets payed what. There's no laws involved in the decision.
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Laws are there to ensure things are done though. If you run an organization and are biased, it won't get done obviously, because the owner can choose not to pay more.
 
youngandfree said:
If you run your own organization, you have complete control over who gets payed what. There's no laws involved in the decision.
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Thats not true. There definitely are laws set in place to prevent this. At the start up level this is true but if your any bigger then a start up a you have to start justify most highers and pay raises, etc, etc
 
rtmilburn said:
Thats not true. There definitely are laws set in place to prevent this. At the start up level this is true but if your any bigger then a start up a you have to start justify most highers and pay raises, etc, etc
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There's no justification necessary if everyone is on the same pay scale though. If you have a standardized system of pay scales and job functions, what's there to justify?
 
youngandfree said:
There's no justification necessary if everyone is on the same pay scale though. If you have a standardized system of pay scales and job functions, what's there to justify?
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True true although if an employee(s) feel they are not be payed as much due to races or color they can sue and win pretty easy. Thats why business write up justification of pay raises. As for highers you better bet your ass they have to do the same and even more so, and you may not even to need to sue as government has quotas set.
 
rtmilburn said:
True true although if an employee(s) feel they are not be payed as much due to races or color they can sue and win pretty easy. Thats why business write up justification of pay raises. As for highers you better bet your ass they have to do the same and even more so, and you may not even to need to sue as government has quotas set.
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Or discriminated against based on gender, which is the whole unequal pay argument that Gutterpump keeps parroting. There's no law preventing any company from paying men and women the same money for same job function. Yet women in the Clinton Foundation, and the Obama Whitehouse for that matter, make less than the men do. Remember the first action Obama tookwas signing the Lilley Ledbetter Act, to ensure equal pay for women.
 
youngandfree said:
Or discriminated against based on gender, which is the whole unequal pay argument that Gutterpump keeps parroting. There's no law preventing any company from paying men and women the same money for same job function. Yet women in the Clinton Foundation, and the Obama Whitehouse for that matter, make less than the men do. Remember the first action Obama tookwas signing the Lilley Ledbetter Act, to ensure equal pay for women.
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I'm a fkn parrot lol... I brought it up a few times today in a civil discussion. How about you go fck yourself already buddy. You're a worthless negative piece of gutter trash in this thread here, in need of a gutterpump ;) All you do is act butthurt/negative all the time. What a way to live life.
 
gotta love the most recent wikileaks news about Seth Rich as well as the FOIA emails showing Foundation requests to the State Department for favors. Gotta love it...its like a great soap opera. Maybe both candidates will be forced to drop out
 
AE14 said:
gotta love the most recent wikileaks news about Seth Rich as well as the FOIA emails showing Foundation requests to the State Department for favors. Gotta love it...its like a great soap opera. Maybe both candidates will be forced to drop out
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We can only hope. Would be great to hit the reset switch.
 
Are you mad bro? I'm pointing out you once again parroted lib talking points, including unequal pay for women, and I bring up how hypocritical it is.

You've stated the libs version of GOP stances numerous times in the past.

Don't cry, it will be ok.
 
youngandfree said:
Are you mad bro? I'm pointing out you once again parroted lib talking points, including unequal pay for women, and I bring up how hypocritical it is.

You've stated the libs version of GOP stances numerous times in the past.

Don't cry, it will be ok.
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I was having conversation without trolling, but I'm honestly done trolling with you, no more comedy. You're a straight up b1tch who acts so serious about every little fkn thing. Every single post from you is some butthurt / negative comment. You're one unhappy little hypocritical turd of a Christian aren't you?
 
Furthermore, to illustrate how butt hurt you get, everytime someone points out your misinformation, you go straight to cursing and calling names and personal attacks. Just like a good lib does.
 
youngandfree said:
Furthermore, to illustrate how butt hurt you get, everytime someone points out your misinformation, you go straight to cursing and calling named and personal attacks. Just like a good lib does.
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Are you ever happy / chill? Honest question. Because every single post of yours is super negative, defensive, anti-lib hateful bs. Give it up already.
 
Gutterpump said:
Are you ever happy / chill? Honest question. Because every single post of yours is super negative, defensive, anti-lib hateful bs. Give it up already.
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So pointing out how immature you are for resorting to cursing and name calling when someone points out your misinformation, is a positive post. Makes sense.
 
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