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jarrellt67 said:
Curious as to why you escalated the dose? Did you experience euphoria or major improvements in mood with higher doses? So far, 50 mg of tianeptine sulphate seems to work best for me. It's very calming. However, I also experience some brain fog at that dose and seem to be more forgetful. I tried 75 mg a couple days ago but the side effects were significantly worse.
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I rapidly built a tolerance but was also using rhodiola at the same time, and didn't realize rhodiola was blocking the mood boost. I also felt (without the rhodiola) that this was the "Limitless" drug for me. I was smarter, more creative, more social, etc except for 1 small side effect, some forgetfulness. Zero other side effects. Bigger doses felt great and I loved it.

Edit: Keep in mind I am an addict, so I can ruin anything lol.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
I rapidly built a tolerance but was also using rhodiola at the same time, and didn't realize rhodiola was blocking the mood boost. I also felt (without the rhodiola) that this was the "Limitless" drug for me. I was smarter, more creative, more social, etc except for 1 small side effect, some forgetfulness. Zero other side effects. Bigger doses felt great and I loved it.

Edit: Keep in mind I am an addict, so I can ruin anything lol.
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The rhodiola seemed to decrease the tianeptine effects for you? Is that a known thing or just what you observed through your experience.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I gave this a whirl a year ago, and fell in love. It was a miracle drug that really turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing. My dose escalated too quickly and developed a nice little addiction in about 3 months. I was using both the short acting and long acting variants. When used with caution and respect, it's probably one of the best noots/mood booster/etc ever. It's also my favorite pre workout ingredient of all time.

I've also used several sources, and highly recommend Ceretropic. There's at least one vendor out there selling something masked as tianeptine but definitely isn't.
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I use Ceretropic as well
 
I'm so excited that someone has attested for this compound that I could slap you in the face. :D

I love my supplement (Tianeptine Hemisulfate Monohydrate) which I take on an "As-Needed" basis at varying dosages from 3mg to 35mg. I use it empirically with L-Theanine, and let me say this,

"I can personally attest that Stablon is a life saver for me, for lowering anxiety, boosting attention & focus, as well as kicking me out of any bouts of depression through it's mood brightening effects."

I too enjoy this magnificent compound.
 
Subject 16 said:
I'm so excited that someone has attested for this compound that I could slap you in the face. :D

I love my supplement (Tianeptine Hemisulfate Monohydrate) which I take on an "As-Needed" basis at varying dosages from 3mg to 35mg. I use it empirically with L-Theanine, and let me say this,

"I can personally attest that Stablon is a life saver for me, for lowering anxiety, boosting attention & focus, as well as kicking me out of any bouts of depression through it's mood brightening effects."

I too enjoy this magnificent compound.
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I need to research this version of Tianeptine now. Haven't heard of the hemisulphate monohydrate form.
 
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Seriously would be a cost saver if only 3-35mg is needed. I use ~100mg day on average of the other two types!

I'm all out now though. Wondering if I should research this other form now. I was going to give lithium orotate a shot again at a low dose.
 
Subject 16 said:
I'm so excited that someone has attested for this compound that I could slap you in the face. :D

I love my supplement (Tianeptine Hemisulfate Monohydrate) which I take on an "As-Needed" basis at varying dosages from 3mg to 35mg. I use it empirically with L-Theanine, and let me say this,

"I can personally attest that Stablon is a life saver for me, for lowering anxiety, boosting attention & focus, as well as kicking me out of any bouts of depression through it's mood brightening effects."

I too enjoy this magnificent compound.
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Have you tried the two other forms of Tianeptine?
 
Gutterpump said:
Seriously would be a cost saver if only 3-35mg is needed. I use ~100mg day on average of the other two types!

I'm all out now though. Wondering if I should research this other form now. I was going to give lithium orotate a shot again at a low dose.
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Tianeptine Hemisulfate Monohydrate is the same as Tianeptine Sulfate (it's just the full name).
 
I read a study indicating that magnesium is synergistic with tianeptine (Invalid Link Removed) and have been giving it a try over the last couple days. It does appear that 25 mg of tianeptine sulfate taken with 200 mg of magnesium glycinate has very similar effects as just 50 mg of tianeptine sulfate by itself.
 
jarrellt67 said:
I read a study indicating that magnesium is synergistic with tianeptine (Invalid Link Removed) and have been giving it a try over the last couple days. It does appear that 25 mg of tianeptine sulfate taken with 200 mg of magnesium glycinate has very similar effects as just 50 mg of tianeptine sulfate by itself.
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That probably goes for all nmda antagonists right? DXM, memantine, Agmatine, etc?
 
GreenMachineX said:
That probably goes for all nmda antagonists right? DXM, memantine, Agmatine, etc?
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Possibly. However, I haven't tried any of those with tianeptine. So, I don't know for sure. If anyone has one of those on hand and can try it with tianeptine, I would be very interested in the results. I would also be interested in hearing if others have a similar affect as me when taking magnesium with tianeptine. I've only tried it for a couple days, so could be placebo or some other interaction that I'm not aware of at this time.
 
jarrellt67 said:
Possibly. However, I haven't tried any of those with tianeptine. So, I don't know for sure. If anyone has one of those on hand and can try it with tianeptine, I would be very interested in the results. I would also be interested in hearing if others have a similar affect as me when taking magnesium with tianeptine. I've only tried it for a couple days, so could be placebo or some other interaction that I'm not aware of at this time.
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Well, it makes sense they all would, as I've tested and verified they all potentiate other opiates.
 
ELROCK said:
Have you tried the two other forms of Tianeptine?
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I use this form for its stability and bio-availability. I haven't tried the other form (Sodium) as I prefer water-soluble compounds that don't take hours to work.
 
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jarrellt67 said:
Possibly. However, I haven't tried any of those with tianeptine. So, I don't know for sure. If anyone has one of those on hand and can try it with tianeptine, I would be very interested in the results. I would also be interested in hearing if others have a similar affect as me when taking magnesium with tianeptine. I've only tried it for a couple days, so could be placebo or some other interaction that I'm not aware of at this time.
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I was taking agmatine when I was taking tianeptine, but could not say what affect it had as I did not remove it as a variable.
 
GreenMachineX said:
That probably goes for all nmda antagonists right? DXM, memantine, Agmatine, etc?
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Huperzine is a NMDA antagonist and increases "Acetylcholine" (which I love). cAMP can be obtain from Forskolin. Forskolin should be taken with Artichoke Extract to enhance PDE 4 Long Term Memory Formation (Buy some CILTEP).

I would even try carrots :D, because I've seen the effect of ketamine (another NMDA antagonist) on a person lol.
 
kisaj said:
I was taking agmatine when I was taking tianeptine, but could not say what affect it had as I did not remove it as a variable.
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Cut everything cold-turkey for 5 days, then begin with the one you want the most data from. I promise you will see what it does for you (if anything at all.)
 
Subject 16 said:
Huperzine is a NMDA antagonist and increases "Acetylcholine" (which I love). cAMP can be obtain from Forskolin. Forskolin should be taken with Artichoke Extract to enhance PDE 4 Long Term Memory Formation (Buy some CILTEP).

I would even try carrots :D, because I've seen the effect of ketamine (another NMDA antagonist) on a person lol.
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Ketamine lol.
Yeah, I intentionally left that one out of my list because we don't need people boosting their tianeptine with ketamine (or vice verse)!
 
GreenMachineX said:
Ketamine lol.
Yeah, I intentionally left that one out of my list because we don't need people boosting their tianeptine with ketamine (or vice verse)!
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I tried using a bit of deprenyl with tianeptine once for a while, thought it would be synergistic. Made me really spacey, like spatial disorientation even.
 
Gutterpump said:
On the other hand, deprenyl + PEA =
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MAOIs inhibit monoamine oxidase from doing its job. Soo, as MAOIs are working to keep neurotransmitter levels at optimal levels, the process also adversely affects blood pressure. Reversible inhibitors of MAO-A appear safer than irreversible MAOIs since they have less potential to increase blood pressure. Although, using Phenylalanine with Selegiline seems a bit extreme for me lol. One would urge you to supplement with L-theanine empirically.

A page on the matter:(I need over 100 posts to place a link here.)

L-Theanine is an amino acid contained in green tea leaves which is known to block the binding of L-glutamic acid to glutamate receptors in the brain. Because the characteristics of L-Theanine suggest that it may influence psychological and physiological states under stress, the present study examined these possible effects in a laboratory setting using a mental arithmetic task as an acute stressor. Twelve participants underwent four separate trials: one in which they took L-Theanine at the start of an experimental procedure, one in which they took L-Theanine midway, and two control trials in which they either took a placebo or nothing. The experimental sessions were performed by double-blind, and the order of them was counterbalanced. The results showed that L-Theanine intake resulted in a reduction in the heart rate (HR) and salivary immunoglobulin A (s-IgA) responses to an acute stress task relative to the placebo control condition. Moreover, analyses of heart rate variability indicated that the reductions in HR and s-IgA were likely attributable to an attenuation of sympathetic nervous activation. Thus, it was suggested that the oral intake of L-Theanine could cause anti-stress effects via the inhibition of cortical neuron excitation.

I give L-Theanine to my cats and it works wonders for their heart rate and stress responses. It is SUBLIME for the task. :D
 
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I just got more Tianeptine Sodium because I liked it better. Anyone have any leads on a good solvent for reconstitution/storage?

Ps: I know to refrigerate if going this route
 
Nothing to bring to this other than being familiar with the product and interested in hearing more anecdotal behind it. I like that there are members here strong in experience with some things that aren't "main stream" .
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, it makes sense they all would, as I've tested and verified they all potentiate other opiates.
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I don't think potentate is the proper term per say. It's more like they antagonize tolerance, or dissolve it if already established. This allows for lower doses like one may have used initially, giving the impression of potentiation.
 
Still really loving the synergy between 25 mg of tianeptine sulfate and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate. I initially tried the combination to see if the magnesium would decrease the anxiety I experience with tianeptine (it did btw). However, within an hour of taking the combo I feel a definite euphoric feeling (lasts for about a couple hours and slowly tapers to just a calm/good mood). I never got that feeling with 25 or 50 mg of tianeptine sulphate. There's definitely some kind of synergy going on between the two.
 
For anyone that has tried tianeptine sulfate, have you found it better for depression to take one larger dose in the morning or splitting that dose and taking half in the morning and half in the afternoon?

Edit: the reason I ask is that I've been taking 25 mg in the morning and afternoon but have developed some insomnia issues. Therefore, I'm now wondering if maybe just taking both (50 mg) in the morning would provide lasting effects through the day but maybe not result in the same issues with insomnia.
 
jarrellt67 said:
For anyone that has tried tianeptine sulfate, have you found it better for depression to take one larger dose in the morning or splitting that dose and taking half in the morning and half in the afternoon?

Edit: the reason I ask is that I've been taking 25 mg in the morning and afternoon but have developed some insomnia issues. Therefore, I'm now wondering if maybe just taking both (50 mg) in the morning would provide lasting effects through the day but maybe not result in the same issues with insomnia.
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I dosed it at 5am and 11am and didn't have any insomnia.
 
Just a heads up that I wouldn't suggest taking Tianeptine alongside prami or caber, in case anyone is taking either one of those for other reasons. It can cause serious nausea.
 
Has anyone taken Tianeptine with Tramadol before? Noticed any ill effects with that combo? I have a decent amount of Tianeptine that I have been waiting to try because I am currently taking Tramadol (pain killer) and I fear serotonin syndrome from the combo. I am probably just being extra cautious, but I have read there could be a small risk for this. Thoughts?

Tramadol is a mild pain killer for my rotator cuff tears.
 
ELROCK said:
Has anyone taken Tianeptine with Tramadol before? Noticed any ill effects with that combo? I have a decent amount of Tianeptine that I have been waiting to try because I am currently taking Tramadol (pain killer) and I fear serotonin syndrome from the combo. I am probably just being extra cautious, but I have read there could be a small risk for this. Thoughts?

Tramadol is a mild pain killer for my rotator cuff tears.
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I think your right in using caution, but I wonder if you could switch from tramadol to tianeptine. I found it to have some analgesic properties, through the opioid receptor agonism I imagine.
 
Okay, I could use some help from some of the experts on here...I found the following study which seems like it's saying tianeptine sodium (37.5 mg/day) is no better than zoloft/sertraline (50 mg/day) for depression and that there really isn't much difference in side effects - Invalid Link Removed. Am I interpreting that correctly? If so, I'm curious as to why more people just don't take sertraline (besides the usual ssri stigma).
 
jarrellt67 said:
Okay, I could use some help from some of the experts on here...I found the following study which seems like it's saying tianeptine sodium (37.5 mg/day) is no better than zoloft/sertraline (50 mg/day) for depression and that there really isn't much difference in side effects - Invalid Link Removed. Am I interpreting that correctly? If so, I'm curious as to why more people just don't take sertraline (besides the usual ssri stigma).
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Well I see it from a different angle. I see it as Tianeptine 37.5mg has the same antidepressant effect as 50mg of Zoloft minus the unwanted side effects.
 
ELROCK said:
Well I see it from a different angle. I see it as Tianeptine 37.5mg has the same antidepressant effect as 50mg of Zoloft minus the unwanted side effects.
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Doesn't the phrase "No statistical interdrug differences were observed either in the number of withdrawals or in the efficacy and acceptability parameters" mean that there wasn't really much of a difference between the two drugs in terms of side effects experienced? Especially with regard to "acceptability parameters"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the terms...
 
jarrellt67 said:
Doesn't the phrase "No statistical interdrug differences were observed either in the number of withdrawals or in the efficacy and acceptability parameters" mean that there wasn't really much of a difference between the two drugs in terms of side effects experienced? Especially with regard to "acceptability parameters"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the terms...
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I don't really care what the study says as the 2 drugs feel as different as night and day.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I don't really care what the study says as the 2 drugs feel as different as night and day.
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Not having tried zoloft, I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I just found the study interesting in that it seems contrary to everything that I've read online (ssris being horrible and no where near as effect as tianeptine). Doubt I could get over my longstanding impression of ssris enough to try one...especially since I just bought a large bottle of tianeptine sulfate. :)
 
jarrellt67 said:
Not having tried zoloft, I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I just found the study interesting in that it seems contrary to everything that I've read online (ssris being horrible and no where near as effect as tianeptine). Doubt I could get over my longstanding impression of ssris enough to try one...especially since I just bought a large bottle of tianeptine sulfate. :)
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Well, I'm not saying ssris arent effective, but erasing depression through the complete removal of all emotion isn't my preferred choice of treatment.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, I'm not saying ssris arent effective, but erasing depression through the complete removal of all emotion isn't my preferred choice of treatment.
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pfftt...emotions, they're overrated.

Moving my second tianeptine dose to earlier in the day does seem to be helping with insomnia. Really liking the energy this seems to provide. I've been working out in the evenings much more often/consistently since I started it.
 
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