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Gutterpump said:
The GOP also want to include Christian input when law making, amongst other extreme / ridiculous things:

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also seems more made up by the NY Times, who are a far left leaning news org. the "journalist" wrote

"The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating"

but the actual quote from the document is

“that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”

which has been exactly what US law has been built on since the declaration of independence. Our assumption is that by virtue of being human we have those rights.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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EasyEJL said:
also seems more made up by the NY Times, who are a far left leaning news org. the "journalist" wrote

"The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating"

but the actual quote from the document is

“that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”

which has been exactly what US law has been built on since the declaration of independence. Our assumption is that by virtue of being human we have those rights.
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Ok, well this is one point. I'll forget about this but let's talk about their new platform in general though. The GOP's new platform is further right than even Trump's own ideals. If you don't think so, I'd like to hear why.

Do you agree that Bible study should be forced in non-Catholic public schools? Public schools, which are intended for people of all religion, in a free country.

Do you completely agree with the rest of the GOP's proposals?

Also wanted to mention, the NY Times is far from being a leftist propaganda machine. It's been a respected news source for ages.
 
EasyEJL said:
Oh come on, it's not even close

"It also encourages the teaching of the Bible in public schools " encourages is not forces or mandatory.
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Yet to be seen. Even proposing that public schools should teach bible class, in a free society where all religions are to be respected, is pretty messed up.

Stating their platform is based on "suggestions" or "encouragement", how can you even write laws on that? Something either is or isn't mandated. There are no inbetweens where it comes to law.
 
Gutterpump said:
Ok, well this is one point. I'll forget about this but let's talk about their new platform in general though. The GOP's new platform is further right than even Trump's own ideals. If you don't think so, I'd like to hear why.

Do you agree that Bible study should be forced in non-Catholic public schools? Public schools, which are intended for people of all religion, in a free country.

Do you completely agree with the rest of the GOP's proposals?

Also wanted to mention, the NY Times is far from being a leftist propaganda machine. It's been a respected news source for ages.
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They teach Islam studies in school and no one seems to care. How is that any different?

Almost all of the "respected" news sources are very left leaning, across the board. If you don't think NYT is biased to the left, then you must not read it.

Secondarily, since you're the one making wild claims about what the GOP platform is, why not post it up to bolster your argument?
 
Gutterpump said:
Ok, well this is one point. I'll forget about this but let's talk about their new platform in general though. The GOP's new platform is further right than even Trump's own ideals. If you don't think so, I'd like to hear why.
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oh it is, not arguing that, but accuracy on details is important

Gutterpump said:
Do you agree that Bible study should be forced in non-Catholic public schools? Public schools, which are intended for people of all religion, in a free country.
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It shouldn't be forced, but the document doesn't do that either

Gutterpump said:
Do you completely agree with the rest of the GOP's proposals?
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of course not

Gutterpump said:
Also wanted to mention, the NY Times is far from being a leftist propaganda machine. It's been a respected news source for ages.
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Seriously ? I guess you are free to have that opinion :)


Gutterpump said:
Yet to be seen. Even proposing that public schools should teach bible class, in a free society where all religions are to be respected, is pretty messed up.
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We do teach islam in schools, why is the bible so wrong?

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Gutterpump said:
Stating their platform is based on "suggestions" or "encouragement", how can you even write laws on that? Something either is or isn't mandated. There are no inbetweens where it comes to law.
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Educational programs do not have all their content legislated. Even with common core, it is guidelines + ideas, not direct subject material


How is the democrat platform suggesting they legislate with "social justice" any different?
 
but to be clear Gutterpump, all politicians are douches, and both parties are full of ****

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youngandfree said:
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They teach Islam studies in school and no one seems to care. How is that any different?

Almost all of the "respected" news sources are very left leaning, across the board. If you don't think NYT is biased to the left, then you must not read it.

Secondarily, since you're the one making wild claims about what the GOP platform is, why not post it up to bolster your argument?
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I think they are left leaning as they're in NY, but they are certainly not a tabloidist, leftist propaganda machine like some other media outlets out there.

And yes, I don't think ANY religion should be taught in PUBLIC schools. Are schools teaching from the Koran? It's one thing to teach world religion in school (an optional class) but teaching from the Koran or the Bible or anything like that goes against what freedom in America stands for. Teaching people awareness of what different religions are is one thing, but I don't think any public school should be asked to say the Lord's Prayer, or give actual teachings from within any religion. People go to private school or catholic school for that.

We've already discussed the new GOP platform in here, when it was announced. I'm sure you should know what it is since you're a conservative, but ok, I'll post it up again today to discuss.
 
EasyEJL said:
How is the democrat platform suggesting they legislate with "social justice" any different?
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Just to make it clear, I don't support the Democrats or Conservatives. I don't support the two party system in the US, and I greatly support 3rd parties. So far, I associate most with the Libertarian platform.
 
Also, just to be clear, I attended Catholic school growing up. I also attended public school. We had a World Religions class in public school which taught us all awareness of various religions, but it didn't preach. I don't believe preaching of any sort should be in any public school which house various religions in it's students. Let people choose their religion and personally practice. This is freedom.
 
Gutterpump said:
Also, just to be clear, I attended Catholic school growing up. I also attended public school. We had a World Religions class in public school which taught us all awareness of various religions, but it didn't preach. I don't believe preaching of any sort should be in any public school which house various religions in it's students. Let people choose their religion and personally practice. This is freedom.
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I actually taught that same class at the High School I used to work at for years. It was informational only and not a conversion attempt.
 
Gutterpump said:
Just to make it clear, I don't support the Democrats or Conservatives. I don't support the two party system in the US, and I greatly support 3rd parties. So far, I associate most with the Libertarian platform.
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I support 2 term limits which would probably help fix that. At least get rid of lifers like Bernie :)
 
Pray to god he does, but if I were a betting man I'd bet on the lying clinton.

Too many young and dumb nipple babies. I mean look at these kids today *shakes head* Even the educated ones are totally brain washed from grade skrewel all the way up.

My wife is very educated (mba) great job etc. and she can't stand Trump. She is a republican, paid her way through college etc.
 
Quest said:
Pray to god he does, but if I were a betting man I'd bet on the lying clinton.

Too many young and dumb nipple babies. I mean look at these kids today *shakes head* Even the educated ones are totally brain washed from grade skrewel all the way up.

My wife is very educated (mba) great job etc. and she can't stand Trump. She is a republican, paid her way through college etc.
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my wife has 2 years of college at Indiana state and she is smarter than your wife...my wife is voting for trump and hates email-lary even more than I do....my wife say's that email-lary makes women look bad, and gives women a bad name!!!
 
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote democratic....
 
Why is it that if Slick Willie thought so highly of his wife and she was the perfect one for him, he's cheated on her with willing participants and many non willing ones for decades?
 
thebigt said:
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote democratic....
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the reason you don't see republican protesters...they have jobs and are at work!!!

the reason why republicans hate emaillary....republicans will have to pay for all the promises she is making!!! FREE COLLAGE...are you kidding me?
 
thebigt said:
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote democratic....
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the reason you don't see republican protesters...they have jobs and are at work!!!

the reason why republicans hate emaillary....republicans will have to pay for all the promises she is making!!! FREE COLLAGE...are you kidding me?
 
thebigt said:
the reason you don't see republican protesters...they have jobs and are at work!!!

the reason why republicans hate emaillary....republicans will have to pay for all the promises she is making!!! FREE COLLAGE...are you kidding me?
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Free college is crazy. But the education system in the US is definitely biased around those who have the most money.

We have ivy leagues up in Canada, and they decide who enters based on who has the best grades. This is common sense to me, but in the US, all institutions suffer from greed and corruption. Not saying Canada is immune though.

But yeah, we can't afford to give anything away for free.
 
Quest said:
Canada is starting to look good...

homestead and a first aid kit?
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Canada is great, but you'll need to buy new clothes! Winters up there are cold! But Canada makes the best of it, so many winter sports / winter recreation up there, and almost always a white Christmas
 
What about all the people they are letting in the country and the illegals they will give amnesty to?

Once that happens, it's over.. millions of instant dumbacrats voting!
 
thebigt said:
the reason you don't see republican protesters...they have jobs and are at work!!!

the reason why republicans hate emaillary....republicans will have to pay for all the promises she is making!!! FREE COLLAGE...are you kidding me?
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Looks like you couldve used some free college. Lol
 
Gutterpump said:
Free college is crazy. But the education system in the US is definitely biased around those who have the most money.

We have ivy leagues up in Canada, and they decide who enters based on who has the best grades. This is common sense to me, but in the US, all institutions suffer from greed and corruption. Not saying Canada is immune though.

But yeah, we can't afford to give anything away for free.
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when I was in high school only the top 10 percent went to collage..but then again my high school degree from 1976 is worth a bachelors degree compared to todays education.

instead of pushing collage for everyone they need to improve the education of grades 1-12 and bring back on the job training....the government should offer companies incintives to train people for jobs, it would be specific training for a specific job-kind of like an apprenticeship program-this is what they did back in the day....there are very few jobs that actually need 4 years of collage to be able to do, imo...and those jobs usually involve more than 4 years anyways!!!
 
thebigt said:
when I was in high school only the top 10 percent went to collage..but then again my high school degree from 1976 is worth a bachelors degree compared to todays education.
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...as you continue to spell college wrong after i just showed you how to spell it.
 
My dad had a house up in the Adirondacks Mountains. Once I got done with skrewel we packed up the car and up we went.

I remember being ten and spending the entire day with my hatchet and fishing pole in the wood on the Hudson. Come home to one channel we could pick up eat and go to bed. No net no cable...we really enjoyed ice cream and watching the bears at the dump from the car. OMg the tree forts my brothers made were unreal.

I wouldn't let my ten year old know where my hatchet was if I still had it.

Good ole days
 
jswain34 said:
...as you continue to spell college wrong after i just showed you how to spell it.
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lol...I am usually a good speller...I just popped a new stim I got in the mail and my mind is racing.


thanks for calling me out, sometimes a little humbling is a good thing!!!
 
thebigt said:
lol...I am usually a good speller...I just popped a new stim I got in the mail and my mind is racing.


thanks for calling me out, sometimes a little humbling is a good thing!!!
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Haha i probably wouldn't have if it weren't for the fact you were talking about education - had to!
 
thebigt said:
when I was in high school only the top 10 percent went to collage..but then again my high school degree from 1976 is worth a bachelors degree compared to todays education.

instead of pushing collage for everyone they need to improve the education of grades 1-12 and bring back on the job training....the government should offer companies incintives to train people for jobs, it would be specific training for a specific job-kind of like an apprenticeship program-this is what they did back in the day....there are very few jobs that actually need 4 years of collage to be able to do, imo...and those jobs usually involve more than 4 years anyways!!!
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Youve made this comment alot. This just isnt true. Education wise high schoolers are smarter then ever. Common sense, job readiness, social skills hell ya we are way behind past generation. But to say your high school deploma is worth a bachelor degree is wrong. it wouldnt even be the same as a high school degree of today. You and your generation were much more prepared for work though, but back then you get a pretty good job working a factory. You just cant do that in today society.

I do agree that college is pushed to much. I think you are spot on about job specific training being more import for lots of people.
 
rtmilburn said:
Youve made this comment alot. This just isnt true. Education wise high schoolers are smarter then ever. Common sense, job readiness, social skills hell ya we are way behind past generation. But to say your high school deploma is worth a bachelor degree is wrong it wouldnt even be the same as a high school degree. You and your generation were much more prepared for work though, but back then you get a pretty good job working a factory. You just cant do that in today society.

I do agree that college is pushed to much. I think you are spot on about job specific training be more import for lots of people.
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lol...I have raised 3 grown children and know what they were taught in high school. I learned as a freshman what they were taught as seniors--and I went to a poor inner city school and they went to a township school....

I don't think there is ANY job outside of a professional position like doctor or lawyer, school teacher, engineer, scientist that couldn't be taught with on the job training....of course 1st you would have to be tested for aptitude so you could be placed in the job best suited for you.

isn't undergraduate studies a kind of on the job training?
 
thebigt said:
lol...I have raised 3 grown children and know what they were taught in high school. I learned as a freshman what they were taught as seniors--and I went to a poor inner city school and they went to a township school....

I don't think there is ANY job outside of a professional position like doctor or lawyer, school teacher, engineer, scientist that couldn't be taught with on the job training....of course 1st you would have to be tested for aptitude so you could be placed in the job best suited for you.

isn't undergraduate studies a kind of on the job training?
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Totally agree with the ladder part. College is just a way for them to take more of are money imo. Collgege is great and all, but you can definitely to much much less and achieve the same; if they had job specific training, other then just like welding, mechanics, and stuff like that.
 
Gutterpump said:
Also, just to be clear, I attended Catholic school growing up. I also attended public school. We had a World Religions class in public school which taught us all awareness of various religions, but it didn't preach. I don't believe preaching of any sort should be in any public school which house various religions in it's students. Let people choose their religion and personally practice. This is freedom.
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Catholic school? For shame, gutter. A nice jewish boy like you should have attended a proper yeshiva! :twak:
 
thebigt said:
lol...I am usually a good speller...I just popped a new stim I got in the mail and my mind is racing.


thanks for calling me out, sometimes a little humbling is a good thing!!!
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It better be the new BX or my feelers are really hurt, I mean hurt like a grown democrat stuck in a 10 year old mental state! j/k
 
rtmilburn said:
Youve made this comment alot. This just isnt true. Education wise high schoolers are smarter then ever. Common sense, job readiness, social skills hell ya we are way behind past generation. But to say your high school deploma is worth a bachelor degree is wrong. it wouldnt even be the same as a high school degree of today. You and your generation were much more prepared for work though, but back then you get a pretty good job working a factory. You just cant do that in today society.

I do agree that college is pushed to much. I think you are spot on about job specific training being more import for lots of people.
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I agree, today's high schoolers aren't smarter than older generations. Ask any 5th grader today what 12x12 is without doing a 5 step solution.
 
youngandfree said:
I agree, today's high schoolers aren't smarter than older generations. Ask any 5th grader today what 12x12 is without doing a 5 step solution.
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I dont know what our talking about times tables are taught at 3 grade, atleast for me. Then again the did change the core standard for math and laguage arts 2 years ago.
 
rtmilburn said:
I dont know what our talking about times tables are taught at 3 grade, atleast for me. Then again the did change the core standard for math and laguage arts 2 years ago.
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You clearly don't have kids, do you mil? :)
 
rtmilburn said:
I dont know what our talking about times tables are taught at 3 grade, atleast for me. Then again the did change the core standard for math and laguage arts 2 years ago.
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Times tables aren't taught at all now. Teachers don't want students memorizing them. My niece struggled like crazy this year with math and my brother nor her grandmother could make heads or tales of the crap they wanted her to do to solve it.

If you don't have a kid in elementary school in the last 5 years or so, you have no idea how fcked up it is.
 
youngandfree said:
Times tables aren't taught at all now. Teachers don't want students memorizing them. My niece struggled like crazy this year with math and my brother nor her grandmother could make heads or tales of the crap they wanted her to do to solve it.

If you don't have a kid in elementary school in the last 5 years or so, you have no idea how fcked up it is.
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Sounds like you do have kids, lol. You know about the squares. :)
 
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