Log- Nutraceutical Innovations 11K Test caps

HIT4ME said:
I don't know how I missed your response to this - this is awesome.

It really does amaze me how many things are supposed to do this or not do that, in theory, but then in real life they do the opposite.

I would think that transdermal application, at best, gets 30% of the active into your system, and maybe as little as 15%, so at 250 mg of 11-KT per day transdermally, I would think that's between 32-65 mg that actually gets into your system....oral bioavailability doesn't have to be all that high to compete with this. And if you're talking 20% better transdermally, that means that 250 mg is turning into approx. 26-52 mg of of active 11-KT in your system, which is 10-15% bioavailablity...not great, but it would in theory the numbers would add up that way.
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I keep my HP33 close at all times, so I can relate to your statistical calculations! :)

But yeah, it is amazing how variable these things can be. Any scientist who doesn't admit it has more ego that brains, but life is not the perfect equation, lol. People like to cite clinical data, research papers, and stuff like that when they give their spiel, and that's a good start. But you never truly know until you've tested for yourself, and sometimes the results are quite unexpected! This is definitely one of those times that my observed yield surpassed my calculated yield in a way that was blatantly significant.
 
6/17:
breakfast- 3 eggs , 2 slices turkey bacon, 1 slice wheat bread
lunch- shrimp pad thai
preworkout- pb&j on wheat
dinner- 1.25 cup white rice, beef/chicken/veggie stir fry, greek yogurt (dessert)

Legs/Trap workout

BB squat 12,10,8,8
Leg press 12,10,8,8

DB shrug 12,12,10,8
cable upright row 12,10,10,8

Leg extension 12,10,8,8
hamstring curl 12,10,10,8

face pull 15, 12, 12, 10
calf raise 15,12,10,10

25 minutes cardio on treadmill
15 minutes in sauna

I was pretty tired today so didn't go heavy for this workout but got a lot of volume w/moderate weight.
looking forward to updating pics/weight tomorrow.
 
6/18:
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went up 1.8 pounds this week (still down 1 pound overall), a little disappointed but I understand it's not a big deal in the bigger picture.
upped the cardio this week, been using sauna after workouts, calories still in check (maybe water weight?)


fasted cardio, sipped on bcaa
30 minutes bike, 16 minutes treadmill, 17 minutes in sauna
 
Well, I wouldn't guess that its water, but maybe.

You seem to be excessively tired, like something is disturbing your metabolism. Are you taking any stims? Or have you had a liver panel or T7 thyroid check lately? It could be many things.

You may also have added some lean mass whether you feel stronger yet or not.
 
NutraChem said:
Well, I wouldn't guess that its water, but maybe.

You seem to be excessively tired, like something is disturbing your metabolism. Are you taking any stims? Or have you had a liver panel or T7 thyroid check lately? It could be many things.

You may also have added some lean mass whether you feel stronger yet or not.
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i take prekaged or white flood on lifting days. haven't ever had liver panel or thyroid checked.

i'm working on my dissertation and teach summer school twice a week (wed/fri) so those days are long and tiring.
 
chzcake01 said:
i take prekaged or white flood on lifting days. haven't ever had liver panel or thyroid checked.

i'm working on my dissertation and teach summer school twice a week (wed/fri) so those days are long and tiring.
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Well that could explain part of it! What's the topic of your thesis, just out of curiosity?

And how is your sleep? There is usually a readily assignable cause to apparently aberrant results, but without any bloodwork I'd need to know a little more about your background, med history, any past or current health conditions, etc. in order to make a proper speculation.
 
NutraChem said:
Well that could explain part of it! What's the topic of your thesis, just out of curiosity?

And how is your sleep? There is usually a readily assignable cause to apparently aberrant results, but without any bloodwork I'd need to know a little more about your background, med history, any past or current health conditions, etc. in order to make a proper speculation.
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I'm doing a narrative case study of a charter school that's considered to be "failing". Using teachers' experiences to gain a deeper understanding of the school, its needs, successes/failures and comparing it to public perception of the school.

I get between 7-10 hours of sleep on off days and 5-7 hours on days that I teach. Sleep has been deep/restful while taking 11KT.
 
Are you adding up your calories and macros each day? It seems like you are trying to eat healthy, and have a relatively good idea of what that means, but if you're not measuring things and figuring out exactly how many calories you are eating, it is REALLY easy to think you should be losing weight but you are actually over maintenance. Rule #1 of dieting is measure ALL of your food. This is advice Dorian Yates gave, so I stole it from him. He said he didn't care how long he's been dieting, for how many years, he still cannot accurately judge how much food he should be eating without a scale.

Second, you're taking photos every week, which is great, but keep things in perspective. Just like using the scale, it's just a tool, not the end-all. If you go up a couple pounds, it may just because you weighed yourself after drinking a liter of water, or you just ate. Did you weigh yourself in the same situation both times? I always weigh myself with no clothes, first thing after I get out of bed in the morning. Typically I've been doing the same thing for 6-8 hours before this and not eating or drinking, and it keeps things consistent - but even that has fluctuations. In my log I have taken photos every 2 weeks, and from the start to week 2, everyone agreed they could see no difference at all. From start to week 4, there is some visual difference - and that was after losing 15+ pounds between photos. Just keep going, keep working. Adjust as you see fit.
 
HIT4ME said:
Are you adding up your calories and macros each day? It seems like you are trying to eat healthy, and have a relatively good idea of what that means, but if you're not measuring things and figuring out exactly how many calories you are eating, it is REALLY easy to think you should be losing weight but you are actually over maintenance. Rule #1 of dieting is measure ALL of your food. This is advice Dorian Yates gave, so I stole it from him. He said he didn't care how long he's been dieting, for how many years, he still cannot accurately judge how much food he should be eating without a scale.

Second, you're taking photos every week, which is great, but keep things in perspective. Just like using the scale, it's just a tool, not the end-all. If you go up a couple pounds, it may just because you weighed yourself after drinking a liter of water, or you just ate. Did you weigh yourself in the same situation both times? I always weigh myself with no clothes, first thing after I get out of bed in the morning. Typically I've been doing the same thing for 6-8 hours before this and not eating or drinking, and it keeps things consistent - but even that has fluctuations. In my log I have taken photos every 2 weeks, and from the start to week 2, everyone agreed they could see no difference at all. From start to week 4, there is some visual difference - and that was after losing 15+ pounds between photos. Just keep going, keep working. Adjust as you see fit.
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thanks for the tips. i'm not stressing or complaining, just providing updates.
 
chzcake01 said:
thanks for the tips. i'm not stressing or complaining, just providing updates.
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No problem man. Didn't mean to come off like you were complaining or stressing at all - just providing some basics, which you may already know, but I have failed a lot at this and watched a lot of other people fail, and often it's the simple things that we overlook, so I wanted to point it out. You're doing a great job as it is!
 
HIT4ME said:
No problem man. Didn't mean to come off like you were complaining or stressing at all - just providing some basics, which you may already know, but I have failed a lot at this and watched a lot of other people fail, and often it's the simple things that we overlook, so I wanted to point it out. You're doing a great job as it is!
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this is exactly why i mentioned post as much as you can on your logs. extra sets of eyes or suggestions no matter how small
 
6/19:
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices turkey bacon, 1 slice wheat bread (360 cal. total)
preworkout- pb&j on wheat (400 cal.)
postworkout- 2 slices grilled chicken pizza (560 cal.)

chest/bicep workout

incline bb press: 10,10,8,8,6
db flat press: 12, 10, 8, 8

cable fly superset w/cable curl: 15/12, 12/10, 12/10, 10/8
incline db fly superset w/seated incline curl: 12/10, 12/8, 10/8

machine decline press: 12, 10, 8
db curl superset w/db hammer curl: 10/8, 9/8, 8/6

20 min. bike, 13 min. treadmill, 16 min in sauna

solid workout, strength hasn't increased/decreased
 
chzcake01 said:
I'm doing a narrative case study of a charter school that's considered to be "failing". Using teachers' experiences to gain a deeper understanding of the school, its needs, successes/failures and comparing it to public perception of the school.

I get between 7-10 hours of sleep on off days and 5-7 hours on days that I teach. Sleep has been deep/restful while taking 11KT.
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Oh boy, interesting thesis! It may seem mundane on the surface, but I'd guess it could get pretty messy once you get to the bottom of it. :) It might sound unlikely, but there could be more subtle forces influencing your health right now.

You don't happen to be stationed close to a strong wi-fi emitter, do you? Stuff like that is often overlooked as a source of physiological disturbance, but I have seen it with my own eyes in some university locations and it can usually be easily tested.
 
chzcake01 said:
6/19:
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices turkey bacon, 1 slice wheat bread (360 cal. total)
preworkout- pb&j on wheat (400 cal.)
postworkout- 2 slices grilled chicken pizza (560 cal.)

chest/bicep workout

incline bb press: 10,10,8,8,6
db flat press: 12, 10, 8, 8

cable fly superset w/cable curl: 15/12, 12/10, 12/10, 10/8
incline db fly superset w/seated incline curl: 12/10, 12/8, 10/8

machine decline press: 12, 10, 8
db curl superset w/db hammer curl: 10/8, 9/8, 8/6

20 min. bike, 13 min. treadmill, 16 min in sauna

solid workout, strength hasn't increased/decreased
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how much protein are you taking in everyday?
also, have you switched up your routine a little? I want to help you get the "strength has increased" and keep that
 
smith_69 said:
how much protein are you taking in everyday?
also, have you switched up your routine a little? I want to help you get the "strength has increased" and keep that
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I'm getting roughly .75-1g per lb bodyweight. Will increase protein and reduce carbs this week.

I like my current lifting routine- moderate weight & higher volume. Not looking to gain strength/mass at this time.
 
NutraChem said:
Oh boy, interesting thesis! It may seem mundane on the surface, but I'd guess it could get pretty messy once you get to the bottom of it. :) It might sound unlikely, but there could be more subtle forces influencing your health right now.

You don't happen to be stationed close to a strong wi-fi emitter, do you? Stuff like that is often overlooked as a source of physiological disturbance, but I have seen it with my own eyes in some university locations and it can usually be easily tested.
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There's a wifi router mounted on the ceiling in my office and also one in the classroom. What impact(s) can they have?
 
6/20:
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices turkey bacon, 1 slice wheat bread (360 cal. total)
lunch/postworkout- steak burrito, side chips from Moe's (roughly 1250 cal.)

shoulder/ab workout
bb military press: 12,10,10,8,8,6
cable side raise superset w/db front raise: 12/10, 10/10, 8/8, 8/8

rear delt fly: 15, 12, 10, 10
face pull: 15, 12, 12, 10

crunch on swiss ball- 15, 12, 10
cable crunch w/rope- 15, 12, 10
hanging knee raise- 12, 10, 8

25 minutes on stationary bike, 15 minutes in sauna

weighed 183.4 this morning

increased body temp/lots of sweating continues,
sleep has been really good, very deep and restful, any explanation for this?
 
chzcake01 said:
6/20:
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices turkey bacon, 1 slice wheat bread (360 cal. total)
lunch/postworkout- steak burrito, side chips from Moe's (roughly 1250 cal.)

shoulder/ab workout
bb military press: 12,10,10,8,8,6
cable side raise superset w/db front raise: 12/10, 10/10, 8/8, 8/8

rear delt fly: 15, 12, 10, 10
face pull: 15, 12, 12, 10

crunch on swiss ball- 15, 12, 10
cable crunch w/rope- 15, 12, 10
hanging knee raise- 12, 10, 8

25 minutes on stationary bike, 15 minutes in sauna

weighed 183.4 this morning

increased body temp/lots of sweating continues,
sleep has been really good, very deep and restful, any explanation for this?
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magic
 
chzcake01 said:
There's a wifi router mounted on the ceiling in my office and also one in the classroom. What impact(s) can they have?
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Headache, cardiovascular disturbance, insomnia and 'brain fog' are common overt symptoms, but destabilized metabolic function manifests somatically as what some are starting to call "type III diabetes." (like the atypical weight fluctuations you're experiencing even with a predictable, consistent dietary regimen)

Although the biological mechanisms are poorly characterized and often contested, the subjective phenomena is no less real and detrimental to those affected, so it's something you may wish to consider yourself based on your proximity to those emitters.

It would be easy to establish field strength with a low-cost Gauss meter. If chronic exposure exceeds a healthy threshold, you may find it necessary to attenuate the field or limit your exposure time to regain optimal metabolic function. Somewhat like degaussing a computer monitor subject to a strong, chronic field can restore the image resolution.
 
NutraChem said:
Headache, cardiovascular disturbance, insomnia and 'brain fog' are common overt symptoms, but destabilized metabolic function manifests somatically as what some are starting to call "type III diabetes." (like the atypical weight fluctuations you're experiencing even with a predictable, consistent dietary regimen)

Although the biological mechanisms are poorly characterized and often contested, the subjective phenomena is no less real and detrimental to those affected, so it's something you may wish to consider yourself based on your proximity to those emitters.

It would be easy to establish field strength with a low-cost Gauss meter. If chronic exposure exceeds a healthy threshold, you may find it necessary to attenuate the field or limit your exposure time to regain optimal metabolic function. Somewhat like degaussing a computer monitor subject to a strong, chronic field can restore the image resolution.
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You're scaring me, Chem. I work in IT in the local school district. We've got one in every classroom! Not to mention the two I can see from my desk!
 
jalfrey said:
You're scaring me, Chem. I work in IT in the local school district. We've got one in every classroom! Not to mention the two I can see from my desk!
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Oh no, not those big robotic spider looking ones?! Those are scary bro, lol.

I went to one of those "meet the teacher" things a few years ago and they're all over the place alright. The homeroom teacher looked at me kinda strange as I walked around the class surveying the perimeter with my little pocket meter, lol, but once I explained to her what I was doing her eyes got big and she pointed to something next to her desk! Sure enough she was stationed right next to a source that sent my instrument off the scales, so she asked me to relocate her desk and I did, lol. She thanked me every time she saw me after that, and swore she really thought it helped with some somatic issue (she didn't go into detail, so not sure what) but she sincerely thought it helped and for some people it probably does.

I'd guess it's mostly a matter of gross exposure, so just limiting output to the effective minimum and keeping a respectable distance probably goes a long way toward reducing risk. Remember that radiation intensity is inversely proportional to the distance from it's source, so even just a few extra feet can make a huge difference in field strength. Just like making your kids sit back from the TV, lol, not letting them sit right up on it!
 
NutraChem said:
Oh no, not those big robotic spider looking ones?! Those are scary bro, lol.

I went to one of those "meet the teacher" things a few years ago and they're all over the place alright. The homeroom teacher looked at me kinda strange as I walked around the class surveying the perimeter with my little pocket meter, lol, but once I explained to her what I was doing her eyes got big and she pointed to something next to her desk! Sure enough she was stationed right next to a source that sent my instrument off the scales, so she asked me to relocate her desk and I did, lol. She thanked me every time she saw me after that, and swore she really thought it helped with some somatic issue (she didn't go into detail, so not sure what) but she sincerely thought it helped and for some people it probably does.

I'd guess it's mostly a matter of gross exposure, so just limiting output to the effective minimum and keeping a respectable distance probably goes a long way toward reducing risk. Remember that radiation intensity is inversely proportional to the distance from it's source, so even just a few extra feet can make a huge difference in field strength. Just like making your kids sit back from the TV, lol, not letting them sit right up on it!
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wow, thanks for the great info.
 
6/21: rest day

breakfast- 2 eggs, 3/4 cups oats, 2 slices turkey bacon (435 cal.)
lunch- turkey & swiss on wheat, chips (520 cal.)

bought sweet potato at the store to replace rice/pasta @dinner.
bought iforce reversitol v2 & testabolan for pct, tfsupps had a nice deal on them

felt energetic and productive today.
 
chzcake01 said:
6/21: rest day

breakfast- 2 eggs, 3/4 cups oats, 2 slices turkey bacon (435 cal.)
lunch- turkey & swiss on wheat, chips (520 cal.)

bought sweet potato at the store to replace rice/pasta @dinner.
bought iforce reversitol v2 & testabolan for pct, tfsupps had a nice deal on them

felt energetic and productive today.
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you increased your protein this week right?
 
6/22: kinda busy today so this entry won't be very detailed

weighed 181.8 which was exciting to see

ate roughly 2000 calories today

back/tricep workout- able to do 3-5 extra reps for each set compared to last week
25 minutes on bike, 15 minutes in sauna
 
great bro- wgt drop is awesome
 
Great work bro! Keep going. Lifting more while at 2000 calls is great!
 
6/23:

weighed 180.8 this morning, hope the weight keeps coming off
fasted cardio with bcaa, 33 minutes on stationary bike, 17 minutes on treadmill, 15 minutes in sauna

meal 1- 3 eggs, turkey bacon, wheat bread (360 cal.)
meal 2- 6oz ny strip steak, med. sweet potato (350-400 cal.)
 
6/24:

2145 calories today

leg/trap workout:

bb squat- 10,10,8,8,6,6
leg press (single leg)- 12,10,8
db shrug- 15, 12, 10, 8, 6

hamstring curl- 12, 10,8,8
seated calf raise- 15, 15, 12, 12
cable upright row- 12, 10, 10, 8

face pull- 15, 12, 10, 10

25 minutes on bike, 15 minutes in sauna

i went ahead and ordered another bottle from nutriverse (pricematch) to have enough for 8+ weeks
 
chzcake01 said:
thanks for the support. i've been lurking in your log and it's amazing seeing the progress you're making.
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chzcake01 said:
6/23:

weighed 180.8 this morning, hope the weight keeps coming off
fasted cardio with bcaa, 33 minutes on stationary bike, 17 minutes on treadmill, 15 minutes in sauna

meal 1- 3 eggs, turkey bacon, wheat bread (360 cal.)
meal 2- 6oz ny strip steak, med. sweet potato (350-400 cal.)
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chzcake01 said:
6/24:

2145 calories today

leg/trap workout:

bb squat- 10,10,8,8,6,6
leg press (single leg)- 12,10,8
db shrug- 15, 12, 10, 8, 6

hamstring curl- 12, 10,8,8
seated calf raise- 15, 15, 12, 12
cable upright row- 12, 10, 10, 8

face pull- 15, 12, 10, 10

25 minutes on bike, 15 minutes in sauna

i went ahead and ordered another bottle from nutriverse (pricematch) to have enough for 8+ weeks
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Thanks for the compliment man. It feels good when you can inspire people and this board is amazing because we're all on the same journey and even when I think someone is so far ahead of me, like Hastur or so many others, they tell their story and then I realize they are on the same path, just further down the road and they get where I am at.

I keep coming to your thread. We're fairly close in weight, but you already look leaner than I do. It's good to have someone in a somewhat similar position though to watch while I'm trying to do the same thing.

Did you finish yesterday at 760 calories? If so, you're in PSMF territory, just make sure you keep your protein up!

Good to see you are getting results!
 
HIT4ME said:
Thanks for the compliment man. It feels good when you can inspire people and this board is amazing because we're all on the same journey and even when I think someone is so far ahead of me, like Hastur or so many others, they tell their story and then I realize they are on the same path, just further down the road and they get where I am at.

I keep coming to your thread. We're fairly close in weight, but you already look leaner than I do. It's good to have someone in a somewhat similar position though to watch while I'm trying to do the same thing.

Did you finish yesterday at 760 calories? If so, you're in PSMF territory, just make sure you keep your protein up!

Good to see you are getting results!
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1692 calories yesterday.
 
6/25:
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-3.6 pounds from last week (-4.6 overall)

still feeling increased body temp/sweating
slight joint discomfort

starting today i will be increasing to 4 caps per day

fasted cardio: 35 minutes on bike, 18 minutes on treadmill, 15 minutes in sauna
 
Im throwing this out there, but I think in the last 3 days, your down another pound?
 
I'm still watching for updates....just throwing that out there.

I know on my log, I typically hit a low weight and then for some reason I'll have a few days where it rebounds (obviously even worse with a cheat meal) and then I feel like I failed because I'm gonna have to post in my log that I weigh more now than I did yesterday. But that's just how it goes. The weight fluctuates. When it comes off the second time, it usually goes down even further. Just saying this in case chzcake01 was suddenly at 181 or 182 and didn't want to post just yet. I hope he keeps this going!
 
update:
6/26- Sunday, woke up ate 3 eggs/.8 cup oatmeal/2 slices bacon, went to gym, great chest/bicep workout, as I was leaving gym felt dizzy/nauseous
got home threw up/diarrhea (eggs?), in bed rest of day, didn't eat anything

6/27- Monday, woke up feeling really weak but better than day before, drank lots of juice and water, ate 2 meals (chicken/veggie soup/toast and steak/rice/veggies)

6/28- appetite is back but still feeling weak/tired
 
That sucks dude. Sorry to hear you got sick.
 
HIT4ME said:
I'm still watching for updates....just throwing that out there.

I know on my log, I typically hit a low weight and then for some reason I'll have a few days where it rebounds (obviously even worse with a cheat meal) and then I feel like I failed because I'm gonna have to post in my log that I weigh more now than I did yesterday. But that's just how it goes. The weight fluctuates. When it comes off the second time, it usually goes down even further. Just saying this in case chzcake01 was suddenly at 181 or 182 and didn't want to post just yet. I hope he keeps this going!
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sh1t bro, i honestly thought that only happened to me! not sure why but i always chalked it up to yo yo diets when i was in my 20 and early 30. just something i am used to.

one other thing that i had to do, was change my cut time. i usually cut a few times a month and i believe my body has just got adjusted to it. I know age has something to do with and maybe its a mind thing knowing i have to bust it harder. but by changing it by a month has seemed to help somewhat.

all a mind F if you ask me lmao
 
second that, sick sucks
 
6/29: ate around 2100 calories today, walked to/from doctor's office (35 minutes total)

doctor said it sounds like viral infection, others have come in recently with same symptoms, might be going around campus
she suggested to keep resting and getting lots of fluids, didn't feel that any medication would be necessary

i'll try to start doing cardio again by this weekend
 
Volvo140G said:
Hate it
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its as Agent Smith says,

its inevitable - you start making awesome gains, taking good care of yourself and then you get hit with a bug.

as soon as I am done working out, I wash my hands. I get in the car and I have Purell ready to go. Im not a germ freak, but when I got sick, it was from DB's at the gym who came in sick and spread their germs around.

If your sick, stay home- you aren't going to lose all your gains. Besides, its good motivation to get back into the gym when you feel better. You want to work up a sweat, stay home on put on 5 blankets or go for a walk in your neighborhood. Get those people sick, just keep that sh1t away from me
 
smith_69 said:
its as Agent Smith says,

its inevitable - you start making awesome gains, taking good care of yourself and then you get hit with a bug.

as soon as I am done working out, I wash my hands. I get in the car and I have Purell ready to go. Im not a germ freak, but when I got sick, it was from DB's at the gym who came in sick and spread their germs around.

If your sick, stay home- you aren't going to lose all your gains. Besides, its good motivation to get back into the gym when you feel better. You want to work up a sweat, stay home on put on 5 blankets or go for a walk in your neighborhood. Get those people sick, just keep that sh1t away from me
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Yeah, exercise and staying warm are good for over-all immune health (higher NK cells and all) but high body temps, prolonged training, stress and hypoxia generally reduces innate immune response. Some gear boosts immunity but I guess the lower cort from the 11-KT wasn't enough to protect him from what he encountered. (get well soon chzcake!)

Diet is an important consideration in viral infection. Refined sugar intake and insulin spikes should be avoided (same with bac infection) but one needs to keep blood glucose to a minimum of 80mg/dL for oxidation metabolism to work optimally. I'd eat carbs post-w/o if there's sick dudes at the gym, something slow though - not dextrose.

I'm not a germ freak either, Smith. Just because I make my own hand sanitizer and it's more anti-microbial than surgical scub does mean freak! :)
 
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