The EC Stack, In Depth.

Mixelflick said:
Quite true.

But it's not just its short half life - it's a poor fit at the receptor (in comparison to clen), which fits it like a glove.
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I don't know if it's common knowledge, but I just realized who you are in real life. E-HCL 30mg - good tip ☺
 
It's never hard to find out who someone is on here, but I keep that info secret for if they ever tick me off
 
Grambo said:
Been awhile might have to use a short EC stack to lean out a bit after this Memorial weekend binge
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Amen to that. Someone mentioned Stim Dick...for me it is not caffeine but rather DMAA. Happy Memorial Day everyone...
 
double s said:
Amen to that. Someone mentioned Stim Dick...for me it is not caffeine but rather DMAA. Happy Memorial Day everyone...
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I wish DMAA was studied like ephedrine. As I think it might be stronger weightloss aid. But that is just speculation with 0 evidence to prove it. Also you can never go wrong with ephedrine as it is the most effective, studied, natural weight loss aid.
 
rtmilburn said:
I wish DMAA was studied like ephedrine. As I think it might be stronger weightloss aid. But that is just speculation with 0 evidence to prove it. Also you can never go wrong with ephedrine as it is the most effective, studied, natural weight loss aid.
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I know ZERO about DMAA - what's it's MOA? Is it a beta agonist like E or Clen?

Never mind, love Wiki:

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Maybe, along the lines of what caffeine does as far as "fat loss" maybe? Have a hard time believing it can compare to E though.
 
Those tend to only have carry over to fat loss initially, with lesser results as you build tolerance (as with caffeine)
 
Driven2lift said:
Those tend to only have carry over to fat loss initially, with lesser results as you build tolerance (as with caffeine)
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If talking E and Clen, I haven't seen any worry about tolerance with E in the research - just gym anecdote.

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Clen, yup, of course. But there is nothing that will compare to the amount of fat lost in the 14 days of of Clen use (and some anabolism) - compared to anything OTC. PED using competitors are not reaching for a bottle of "FatShr3dd3r1000" during prep - they're reaching for Clen :) As far as efficacy, drugs are always better than OTC supps. Safety is another issue. Clen *may* do bad things to heart tissue.
 
I've never seen a tolerance issue in terms of fat loss results; at any length of study.

The short half-life seems to be enough. Even after the 3 doses you still have time in the day, and sleep, to reset.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I know ZERO about DMAA - what's it's MOA? Is it a beta agonist like E or Clen?

Never mind, love Wiki:

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Maybe, along the lines of what caffeine does as far as "fat loss" maybe? Have a hard time believing it can compare to E though.
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Well since it's essentially dextroamphetamine without the tail. My guess it would work in a similar manner which would be strong beta 3 and mild beta 1 antagonist. Although I have no clue. As I can't find any information about that.

But I have used both extensively and notice slightly better results with dmaa.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Better results with DMAA over Ephedrine? How did you measure the fat loss? DEXA/Hydrostatic?
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Mirror. So results are not scientific, in any manner. Could be lots of other factors for my results. Possibly could have just been the insane euphoria, that dmaa gives me; made me think it worked better. Idk
 
Wish I woulda seen this befor I asked about EC stack haha great info everything I researched and some I started it 2 days ago the EC as a pre workout and it's amazing
 
Would be curious is anyone was doing E+C and throw in some Cardarine....probably amazing
 
Driven2lift... how did you not tell me you had posted this thread ??? Amazing info in here. and something I think ill need to work in again haha...
 
booneman77 said:
Driven2lift... how did you not tell me you had posted this thread ??? Amazing info in here. and something I think ill need to work in again haha...
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I knew you'd sniff it out

I worked EC back in 5 or so weeks now, I missed this gym boost stacked with my pre
 
rtmilburn said:
Ecy stacked with gw and brite(or lipomorph or shift), would be a killer stack
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I'm running ECY w/Shift right now, about 8 days in and I think it's amazing! EC w/Shift upon waking and ECY around 12:00 & 16:00. Not sure how long I'll run this but I have 2 bottles of Brite too that I'm anxious to run too.
 
dontsweatme said:
I'm running ECY w/Shift right now, about 8 days in and I think it's amazing! EC w/Shift upon waking and ECY around 12:00 & 16:00. Not sure how long I'll run this but I have 2 bottles of Brite too that I'm anxious to run too.
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I think this is exactly what I'm about to start! Keep me updated on how it's going ;)
 
EC + Shift is a hell of a combo, hope you enjoy the built in B-agonist synergy (Forskolin) + hit those A2 receptors too
 
kdubson14 said:
I did ECY + Forsk + Eviscerate+ after two 8oz bottles of Brite. The cut to sub 10 was hilariously easy.
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I'm using Eviscerate Smolder right now too so yes I agree that the combo of these products is helping me rapidly progress to single digit bf! Not sure how I'm going to get my Brite in the mix yet. What do you guys think? Run Brite with ECY once I finish my Shift? Or just run Brite by itself?
 
dontsweatme said:
I'm using Eviscerate Smolder right now too so yes I agree that the combo of these products is helping me rapidly progress to single digit bf! Not sure how I'm going to get my Brite in the mix yet. What do you guys think? Run Brite with ECY once I finish my Shift? Or just run Brite by itself?
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As brite is more of a long term/cumulative supp I doubt it matters. Prob just sooner is better
 
Probably not, but you should ramp up the dosage, starting at 12.5mg and monitor blood pressure. Due diligence / Big Boy Rules.
 
georgetown said:
Of course, used on my cut and always started at 12.5
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Since you've used it already, you should be good 2 go - it'll affect you the same, bulking doesn't matter (other than when people bulk, they tend to not want to increase their TDEE via beta agonists - but I guess you could eat a little more?)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Since you've used it already, you should be good 2 go - it'll affect you the same, bulking doesn't matter (other than when people bulk, they tend to not want to increase their TDEE via beta agonists - but I guess you could eat a little more?)
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Im coming out of a cut and my appetite is a little too much, im not necessarily bulking yet more reverse diet around maintenance and could easily eat 500 + over that so this will help for about a week then ill drop it
 
ncm_pkt said:
What site do you ordered the ephedrine and caffeine off of?
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if your in the US. Go to any pharmacy, the ephedrine is behind the counter. Ask for Primatene or Bronkaid.

The caffeine pills are usually in the form of NoDoz or similar brand. Ive found these at Walmart.
 
Or you can chug 2 Redbulls back to back for the caffeine.

Total waste of $ but I actually watched this happen in the locker room last week
 
Haha well I qualify for that. Thanks for the info. I tried to look on eBay and people are selling that stuff like it's off the market
 
Hasn't been talked about in this thread yet I don't think, but I think I've heard that it's not exactly safe to do HIIT while on EC stack - any validity to this point or is this an old suspicion that goes back to the "EC is dangerous" days?
 
^Did it for years, heart is healthy as can be

Try a smaller dose first and work up to it
 
I'm currently just taking 1 pill of primatine and 200mg caffeine 2x a day. Is that sufficient? I will sometimes do 3x if I don't do a pre-workout
 
Wimsicle said:
I'm currently just taking 1 pill of primatine and 200mg caffeine 2x a day. Is that sufficient? I will sometimes do 3x if I don't do a pre-workout
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Studies are 3x daily but it's not a saturation thing so 2x daily is also effective

I mean 3x gives an edge to fat loss but 2x is easier to fit in around my meals, and is better for anyone who may have trouble sleeping with 3 doses
 
Okay cool. How do you time them around meals? I have been taking them on an empty stomach for the most part.

Also, is the 12.5mg ephen in 1 primatine tablet okay? I'm not sure how that breaks down or compares to 25mg or w/e. I have seen varying things said.
 
12.5 is a good starting dose but you'll want to work up to 25mg for sure

Fasted is ideal
 
Driven2lift said:
12.5 is a good starting dose but you'll want to work up to 25mg for sure

Fasted is ideal
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Okay thanks. With 24 doses in a box and only 2 boxes a month, thatd be like what.. 8 days worth? :( lol assuming taking 3x 25mg a day
 
I'll let a US member chime in on that front, hope that's not expensive as well

You're in MI too... so close to the land of EHCl lol

How far from the border are you? Feel free to PM
 
Driven2lift said:
I'll let a US member chime in on that front, hope that's not expensive as well

You're in MI too... so close to the land of EHCl lol

How far from the border are you? Feel free to PM
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I might go to Toronto with the GF this summer. Am I allowed to cross back into border with ephen? I'm assuming yes lol
 
Walmart, Rite Aid, CVS...they generally dont but if they question it, tell them you just started running and it helps with your breathing...
 
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