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Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

Adam1 said:
I plan on running that same stack. My plan is to taper up over a 5 or 6 week run. I wonder if you would recommend an ai to regulate the trest and maybe a suggested regimen. I have never ran ai on cycle, only post. I want this set up right. I also wonder if I should really just run w/o the ai and add it if needed. Assuming it would be effective to add it mid-cycle if estro sides start to rain on my parade.
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If you plan on running the same stack, you need to know that an AI is not optional with Trest. You either use an AI during your cycle, or you don't use Trest. It's that potent. You could wait to see if estrogenic side effect occur before adding it, but I don't think that is an intelligent way to go about it. But again, as I've stated before, I'm a cautious man.

If you are running the same stack as me, and tapering up over 5-6 weeks...

~6-Week Cycle: (Epi/4/1/11/Trest)
SUP3R-EPI ----------- 500/500/500/750/750/750 (mg per day)
SUP3R-4 -------------- 220/220/220/330/330/330 (mg per day)
SUP3R-1 -------------- 220/220/220/330/330/330 (mg per day)
SUP3R-11 ------------ 125/125/125/250/250/250 (mg per day)
TR3ST ----------------- 50/50/50/100/100/100 (mg per day)
Exemestane ---------- 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (EOD)
AR1MACARE PRO - 8/8/8/8/8/8 (Caps per day)

Raloxifene (On hand, in case of extreme estrogenic side effects)

~4-Week PCT:
SUP3R PCT
Clomid, Nolvadex, or Toremifene (Dosage depends on chosen SERM)
Exemestane

However, if you are NOT very experienced with cycling, I wouldn't recommend this stack. It is for experienced users only.
 
Geez, I would hope for some serious gains if I dropped money on all those products....
 
About to order the 2-pack of Sup3r-11 and a Sup3r 1. Stacking with 250mg/day of androsterone and maybe bridge into trest and epistane or something, haven't decided yet
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HIT4ME said:
Geez, I would hope for some serious gains if I dropped money on all those products....
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Indeed! And that is yet another reason why it is for experienced users only. You have to be pretty serious about it to run a stack like this. Personally, I seem to require more intense cycles than most, as an endomorph with metabolic issues, I cannot be in extreme caloric surpluses without gaining a tremendous amount of body fat. So I alternate between cutting (caloric deficits) and recomping (maintenance calories) and run slightly stronger cycles. This is what I do personally, everyone is unique.
 
Have run several halo/P-stanz stacks in the past, last year ran 2 separate P-mag/P-Stanz 6 week fairly high dose and most recently finished a 6 week M-Sten/Epiandro/4Andro run. Have never run trest. The M-sten run was ok but paled in comparison to that P-mag (my fav). Followed all with Nolva and Extremestane plus various test boosters daa and the like. This is the reason I asked. I was planning on running 11-keto, 1Andro and Trest. Have not laid out the exact doses yet. Was planing on logging and getting some more input first. Will have extremestane and nolva on hand. Will research more between now and then....and hit you Reps up when the time gets closer! Thanks for the in-depth reply.
 
Adam1 said:
Have run several halo/P-stanz stacks in the past, last year ran 2 separate P-mag/P-Stanz 6 week fairly high dose and most recently finished a 6 week M-Sten/Epiandro/4Andro run. Have never run trest. The M-sten run was ok but paled in comparison to that P-mag (my fav). Followed all with Nolva and Extremestane plus various test boosters daa and the like. This is the reason I asked. I was planning on running 11-keto, 1Andro and Trest. Have not laid out the exact doses yet. Was planing on logging and getting some more input first. Will have extremestane and nolva on hand. Will research more between now and then....and hit you Reps up when the time gets closer! Thanks for the in-depth reply.
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So you do indeed have plenty of experience, and it sounds like you'll be running a less extreme cycle than myself, so I don't foresee any issue. You're planning ahead of time, asking the right questions, that's always a good start! You can modify the cycle I laid out above for you to fit your needs. And definitely hit us up if you have any further questions! You're quite welcome the in-depth reply! By the way, if you do log our products, please post a link here to your log, I know I'll gladly sub it!
 
USPS has been on their game for the last couple of months. I'm getting my order tomorrow, less than 48 hours of shipment. I'm 15 days into my cycle now, I'll be bumping to 250mg/day shortly (currently 170)
 
freakment said:
USPS has been on their game for the last couple of months. I'm getting my order tomorrow, less than 48 hours of shipment. I'm 15 days into my cycle now, I'll be bumping to 250mg/day shortly (currently 170)
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Awesome. Plz let me know what this sweet nectar smells like, colour, consistency, viscosity, etc. Thx.
 
Just received a notification that my Sup3r-11 has been delivered. Time to start the mg to mg comparison between IL (Icon) and OL. Looking forward to the fun.... and gainzzz.
 
Scoons33 said:
Just received a notification that my Sup3r-11 has been delivered. Time to start the mg to mg comparison between IL (Icon) and OL. Looking forward to the fun.... and gainzzz.
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I would bet that at the same mg per day of 11-KT, OL may actually be a little bit better. XI-KT was saturated, they put as much 11-KT into a ml as they could get, as if this was a benefit, but it is better to have more carrier and cover more skin and this gives better absorption. The benefit may or may not be noticeable...it will be good to see what you think.
 
Smell was kind of piney, liquid was very viscous. I'm actually a bit worried because where I just applied 1 pump ~2mL on my stomach is now dry but there is visible white flecks sitting atop my skin
 
Scoons33 said:
Just received a notification that my Sup3r-11 has been delivered. Time to start the mg to mg comparison between IL (Icon) and OL. Looking forward to the fun.... and gainzzz.
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NewAgeMayan said:
Its great to see everyone starting to receive their orders!
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I have confirmation of delivery as well, just need to get it in hand! Then my cycle starts today!

raekwonse said:
Can I use the pump for this or should I get a dropper?
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You can use either. The pump is accurate enough, but you can use a dropper if you wish.

HIT4ME said:
I would bet that at the same mg per day of 11-KT, OL may actually be a little bit better. XI-KT was saturated, they put as much 11-KT into a ml as they could get, as if this was a benefit, but it is better to have more carrier and cover more skin and this gives better absorption. The benefit may or may not be noticeable...it will be good to see what you think.
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I agree, people underestimate the importance of surface area when it come to absorption.

freakment said:
Smell was kind of piney, liquid was very viscous. I'm actually a bit worried because where I just applied 1 pump ~2mL on my stomach is now dry but there is visible white flecks sitting atop my skin
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No need to worry, this is very common with transdermals. It will still work as intended!
 
freakment said:
Smell was kind of piney, liquid was very viscous. I'm actually a bit worried because where I just applied 1 pump ~2mL on my stomach is now dry but there is visible white flecks sitting atop my skin
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Wouldnt worry at all... I would get that at times with Formestane... and it was one of the best TD out there... it happens from time to time.. nothing to worry about in my opinion
 
ECUKingbuddy said:
Wouldnt worry at all... I would get that at times with Formestane... and it was one of the best TD out there... it happens from time to time.. nothing to worry about in my opinion
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freakment said:
Good to know! I don't have much experience with Transdermals so I wasn't aware that was common.
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Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever had a transdermal product that DIDN'T have this trait. In fact, I may add this to the guide just to let people know it's nothing to worry about! One of those little things you tend to forget when you've been using TDs for so long, haha.

Edit: I added this to the FAQ section of the guide!
 
My log featuring SUP3R-11 is finally up, gentlemen! Anyone interested in following my log can find it here: Invalid Link Removed
 
hamdysayed said:
any info about effects on libido or lethargy
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Most past reports included an increase in libido. And lethargy is dose dependent of course, but at recommended dosages should cause minimal if any lethargy. Now, high doses, or stacked, it's entirely possible.
 
Hastur said:
Most past reports included an increase in libido. And lethargy is dose dependent of course, but at recommended dosages should cause minimal if any lethargy. Now, high doses, or stacked, it's entirely possible.
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increased libido... nice
 
How long is it required to stay on once applied for absorption, as if applied 30/60 minutes before workout I'll be showering an hour later.
 
Bradruz said:
How long is it required to stay on once applied for absorption, as if applied 30/60 minutes before workout I'll be showering an hour later.
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It should absorbed by then, but just to be safe I would apply a little earlier pre-wo.

I personally would do half dose 3-4 hrs pre-wo and half dose after showering (as per your routine).
 
I think people dose this pre-workout thinking that is the best time, but I think consistency is the key here. I normally apply transdermal after I shower in the morning, and then in the evening again after I shower after my workout. The shower opens pores and should increase absorption. Working out does the same, but I never trust that the sweat won't wash the TD off my skin and leave it on my clothes...

Of course, you could go with 3-4x per day dosing for even more consistent absorption ....
 
I work out at 6am and then shower around 8am everyday. Would after that shower be the optimal time? Or would after my shower at night be better? Im only going to dose 125mg at first btw.
 
I would do it after the shower in the morning....cortisol levels are highest in the morning usually, and this will help off set that.
 
HIT4ME said:
I would do it after the shower in the morning....cortisol levels are highest in the morning usually, and this will help off set that.
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I think you want to allow cortisol to rise a bit in the early hours. This is part of what wakes you up, if I am not mistaken.
 
mcc23 said:
I think you want to allow cortisol to rise a bit in the early hours. This is part of what wakes you up, if I am not mistaken.
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That was my concern as well. I wake up at 4:30/5am though so Im not sure if this is enough time to pass.
 
mcc23 said:
I think you want to allow cortisol to rise a bit in the early hours. This is part of what wakes you up, if I am not mistaken.
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You may be right, but my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that cortisol starts to rise BEFORE you wake up, and that is part of the process of waking up. Once you are awake and going, levels start to fall shortly thereafter and continue to fall throughout the day.

Taking this at night may help with sleep though, so that is another option...but over time I think the effects of cortisol suppression will be more apparent if you use it when you actually have cortisol in your system to suppress.

And again, I think that having consistent levels throughout the day is best. Splitting the 125 mg into two doses would be ideal, IMO.
 
My understanding is that 11-kt is:

-Best applied after a shower
-Best applied late morning/noonish as the effects will be best in tune with your body's hormones a few hours after being awake
-Applying prior to bed might cause insomnia. Not true for all but have seen others mentioning this
-Given that it is a TD and released over an extended period of time, applying more than once per day might not be optimal/necessary.
 
Finally ordered a bottle after thinking it over for a while as I have never done any supplement of this type. Looking forward to it and hopefully goes well, just need to get some PCT now.
 
Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need ...

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How risky is this with regards to transferring to others? If applied mid day and then potential skin contact later that evening?
 
I wake up at 430 am. I workout at 4pm. What time should I dose. I can't dose at work, I work 6am til 2pm
 
chainsaw said:
I wake up at 430 am. I workout at 4pm. What time should I dose. I can't dose at work, I work 6am til 2pm
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You could dose right before work and right after work (or after you post-wo shower).
 
Bradruz said:
How risky is this with regards to transferring to others? If applied mid day and then potential skin contact later that evening?
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It is always a risk with TDs. Personally I plan to apply to my upper chest and then throw on a shirt for the majority of the time. I will only apply to the neck when I will not be around any lady friends :smlove2:
 
Bradruz said:
How risky is this with regards to transferring to others? If applied mid day and then potential skin contact later that evening?
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The risk is there, enough that I'd avoid direct skin to skin contact while using it. It may not be an issue after several hours if it's absorbed fully, but if you're sweating or rubbing against someone, it's a risk you'll have to decide is worth taking on a personal level.

chainsaw said:
I wake up at 430 am. I workout at 4pm. What time should I dose. I can't dose at work, I work 6am til 2pm
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That's a tough schedule, brother! I'd dose it between 2:00pm and 3:30pm, a decent window of time before your workout.
 
Just curious here but isn't lowering cortisol prior to a workout a bad thing? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and blunt it post wo?
 
Eclectic9kid said:
Just curious here but isn't lowering cortisol prior to a workout a bad thing? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and blunt it post wo?
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It's not systemic, it appears to be tissue specific, as explained in the guide. And as a transdermal, it has an extended absorption, sp we see people tend to dose it pre-workout to get the androgen receptor agonism, and its effects linger past the workout giving the tissue specific cortisol inhibition desired.
 
So why is a common side effect dry joints..? I know there was talk about it not being systemic back when PA introduced it but if I remember correctly it wasn't like.. certain or anything.
 
Eclectic9kid said:
So why is a common side effect dry joints..? I know there was talk about it not being systemic back when PA introduced it but if I remember correctly it wasn't like.. certain or anything.
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Honestly, despite the fact that it was warned of by most manufacturers, it doesn't appear that it was really all that common of a side effect. At least, not in the logs I came across. But you have to keep in mind too that 11-KT is androgenic, which means it has the potential for causing dry joint independent of its effects on cortisol. You can get dry joints on Epiandro, is it a potent cortisol inhibitor? No. But it's quite androgenic.
 
Just got my 6 bottles of Sup3r-11, 2 bottles of Sup3r PCT and 2 bottles of exotherm in the mail. Kinda wish I bought 8 already. Or 10. haha. Funny how something like this coming in the mail can make you forget about a crappy day. I'm an addict.
 
HIT4ME said:
Just got my 6 bottles of Sup3r-11, 2 bottles of Sup3r PCT and 2 bottles of exotherm in the mail. Kinda wish I bought 8 already. Or 10. haha. Funny how something like this coming in the mail can make you forget about a crappy day. I'm an addict.
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A supplement package arriving always boosts my mood, no lie. I was so pumped to have SUP3R-11 in hand, and now I'm getting ready to apply it for the 4th day in a row! Woohoo!
 
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