dheas vs sarms?
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LeanEngineer
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I agree with afi140. I'd say a good super mandro and andro the giant stack would be an awesome choice.
VaughnTrue
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HiTech 1-Testosterone or Superdrol = huge gains from best compounds on the market with the best delivery system available
bruno.camilo
Member
I like andros, but they are expensive and need to be run in high doses, this goes for 1andro and 4andro.
VaughnTrue
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yup, they definitely aren't cheap to either manufacture or purchase unfortunately. I do think however that insane high doses aren't necessary. We've had incredible results with only 200mg/day of 1-andro with users gaining 10lbs+. The delivery system makes all the difference in the world.
NewAgeMayan
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Not necessarily; feedback from experienced users running our SUP3R-1, 4, and EPIANDRO range is that dosing doesnt need to be nearly as high as unenhanced compound.
bruno.camilo
Member
And for how long can i run 1andro bras? Lets say like, 15 weeks? Along side testosterone of course.
VaughnTrue
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I would say 8-12 weeks should be a hard maximum personally
bruno.camilo
Member
I like long cycles. Usually i run 20 weeks of deca. i am on trt so thats it. So i would go for 12 weeks at 200mg?
I run it once at 400mg for 6 weeks enjoyed the results but it went away i believe because it was a shot cycle.
VaughnTrue
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200mg/day with our cyclosome delivery will impact some great results for you. You can go up to 330mg/day(3 tabs/day of our 1-Testosterone product by Hi-Tech) if you so desire however.
I'd be very interested to see your 12 week cycle
Bigdumogre
Banned
I agree
On HiTech 1 test right now and gains through the roof. Op I have a log you can follow
NewAgeMayan
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Bugger, damn PMs. Someone itt PMd me about any Olympus UK andro deals going down atm? Midnite tonite nutriverse has our whole SUP3R range for 20% off.
So, one bottle of our 1-andro will cost less than 45$, and that will get you 4 weeks at 330mg enhanced compound per day.
Best deal in town.
So, one bottle of our 1-andro will cost less than 45$, and that will get you 4 weeks at 330mg enhanced compound per day.
Best deal in town.
BamBam0319
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Mmmm I'm feeling a super 11 and super 1 to stack with the androsterone I've already got. Maybe bridge into epistane
NewAgeMayan
Well-known member
Mmmm I'm feeling a super 11 and super 1 to stack with the androsterone I've already got. Maybe bridge into epistane
Bro, I reckon Ill be using SUP3R-11 nigh on every cycle. Stuff sounds phenomenal.
Woody
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I just looked and they are more expensive than HTP/OLUK and have no absorption enhancement.
MikeyCO
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It depends on how Legal you want to be.
SARMS are classified as DRUGS by the FDA... (Ligendrol and Ostarine are illegal) FDA has already seized product and sent warning letters out as they are not classified as Dietary Supplements.
FDA WARNING LETTERS:
I cannot post links yet so google the following to see them
"FDA Warning Letter Ostarine"
You will find a few...
1-DHEA (AKA 1-Andro) is DSHEA compliant and is legal.
SARMS are classified as DRUGS by the FDA... (Ligendrol and Ostarine are illegal) FDA has already seized product and sent warning letters out as they are not classified as Dietary Supplements.
FDA WARNING LETTERS:
I cannot post links yet so google the following to see them
"FDA Warning Letter Ostarine"
You will find a few...
1-DHEA (AKA 1-Andro) is DSHEA compliant and is legal.
Woody
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Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals and Olympus Labs UK
MikeyCO
New member
figured as much now which products exactly?
Because 1-ad has
75mg per serving
60 servings
= 4.5grams of 1-dhea
= 13$ per gram
50mg 1-dhea.com
50mg per serving
90 servings
= 4.5grams of 1-DHEA
= $7.77 per gram
100mg 1-dhea.com
100mg per serving
90 servings
= 9grams of 1-dhea
= $5.55 per gram
250mg 1-dhea.com
250mg per serving
90 servings
= 22.5grams of 1-dhea
= $3.55 per gram
*ADDED--- Since 1-AD from HTP is using 1-Andro Decanoate (~50% 1-dhea) it is actually 1/2 strength which means it is ~26$ per gram.
Im always shopping for products and calculate cost per gram all the time.
Because 1-ad has
75mg per serving
60 servings
= 4.5grams of 1-dhea
= 13$ per gram
50mg 1-dhea.com
50mg per serving
90 servings
= 4.5grams of 1-DHEA
= $7.77 per gram
100mg 1-dhea.com
100mg per serving
90 servings
= 9grams of 1-dhea
= $5.55 per gram
250mg 1-dhea.com
250mg per serving
90 servings
= 22.5grams of 1-dhea
= $3.55 per gram
*ADDED--- Since 1-AD from HTP is using 1-Andro Decanoate (~50% 1-dhea) it is actually 1/2 strength which means it is ~26$ per gram.
Im always shopping for products and calculate cost per gram all the time.
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VaughnTrue
Well-known member
Look into 1Testosterone from HiTech for our most affordable 1andro product. Much better deal for the 1andro compound when compared to our 1AD
VaughnTrue
Well-known member
Don't forget UL has the SEDDS delivery enhancement as well over the raw powder
MikeyCO
New member
1-testosterone from HTP
110mg per serving
60 servings
= 6.6 grams
= $13.4 per gram?
??
its not found on bulksupplements.com
smartsupps has it for ,, never mind they don't have it listed anymore.
I understand the use of 6, 7 dihydro but for that much cash id expect a bit more... (just me personally)
VaughnTrue
Well-known member
The pricing you're going by is on our website, which we have almost 50% more expensive than our retailers. Manufacturers websites never have the best deals. It usually sells for $59.95, but I've seen it for as low as 47 at places during sales.
And again, this is with the cyclosome delivery system. Users were getting "ok" gains on 400mg/day of the compound itself, but amazing gains off of 200mg/day using our delivery system.
You get what you pay for.
MikeyCO
New member
ok, fair enough. I always wondered why the manufacturers had such a large markup compared to retailers...
at $59 = $8.90 / gram, still hum..
VaughnTrue
Well-known member
I'd bet both my balls and left leg that our 1-andro will outperform double the dose used from a bulk powder source.
If you want to spend cheap, you'll get cheap results
dave39
Active member
Would definitely be interesting to see how this works for someone on TRT. What's your TRT dose and test levels while just running your TRT dose?
Willtolift
Member
Deal starts at midnite?
NewAgeMayan
Well-known member
Yip, no code needed either i dont think...volvo put up a thrad in the supp deals forum with all the details
cheftepesh1
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Definitely from andros. I found I did better overall when using andros then I did on sarms. I get all mine at
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All Creation
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I actually "felt" more, gained more strength, and leaned out more on an Osta/Rad cycle over a 1-Andro/Epiandro cycle. The sarms kicked in more quickly and had more sides though too. Perhaps I am an exception in this experience. All the products were from OL UK.
polarcat
Member
for me personally sarms>andros. I've ran about 3 andro cycles and the gains from my lgd/mk677 cycle blew all of them out of the water. Just my experience tho. It'll definitely depend on the dose, product, and purity, length of cycle, food etc. you know the drill.
The_Old_Guy
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I have yet to run it (August), but most of the posts on here have LGD at 8-12mg, outperforming the DHEAs. You also have the advantage of less effect on the Prostate and Scalp - but the disadvantage that you are playing long term Guinea Pig with experimental chemicals and could F yourself up. Toren and sanmarino - what say ye?
Toren
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I know we all respond differently to various compounds but my experience with SARMs has been fantastic. They may not have the same 'kick' or 'feel' as some of the designers out there, but for the lack of apparent sides, for me anyway, SARMs are awesome. As far as the long term potential sides to using SARMs, I guess we just don't know the answer to that. My advice would be to use them maximum once per year if you will be cycling long-term going forward. If you cycle twice per year, use better-studied compounds for the other cycle. I also kind of cringe when I see people running 12-16 week stacked SARM cycles. My next SARM run at the end of the summer will consist of 9 weeks of LGD and that is the absolute maximum length of time I will run a SARM. After that, my SARM cycles will be in the range of 6-8 weeks going forward.
As far as the potential gains go, I would equate 8-12mg of LGD stacked with 10mg of MK-677 to 60-75mg of Halodrol, with no visible sides whatsoever. In 37 days of LGD (8/8/812/12) and 10mg MK677, I gained 10 very lean pounds and had tremendous glycogen retention. Keep in mind, the 2-3 lbs I gained off of MK-677 was previous to the cycle, as I had been on MK for appx. 6 weeks when I began the LGD.
I can't compare the new DHEA-based Andros as I have not tried them yet. I have zero interest in 1-Andro and Epi-Andro but will try 4-Andro very soon. I dabbled in some of the original diones and diols back in the day but it was along time ago and my body is drastically different now.
sanmarino
Member
Well said, Toren. I use SARM nearly two times a year, the last time I used them was prior eight months. While I studied them (as far as you can say that), I decided that longer breaks are better for long term (side) effects.
I made experiences with SARM since 2012, a quite a long time. The longest cycle was eleven weeks with Ostarine at 20mg/ed, good stuff.
A lot of people are expecting too much from SARM, especially younger people who want to build up muscle mass very fast. Ostarine and RAD-140 have no or a very low androgenic ratio, respectively. I also have seen people using them without waiting for the results and increasing this stuff every day. Not that clever, if you ask me.
8-12mg/ed is a good range, I was never above 10mg/ed, that was enough for me.
I made experiences with SARM since 2012, a quite a long time. The longest cycle was eleven weeks with Ostarine at 20mg/ed, good stuff.
A lot of people are expecting too much from SARM, especially younger people who want to build up muscle mass very fast. Ostarine and RAD-140 have no or a very low androgenic ratio, respectively. I also have seen people using them without waiting for the results and increasing this stuff every day. Not that clever, if you ask me.
8-12mg/ed is a good range, I was never above 10mg/ed, that was enough for me.
clayboy_123
Member
Is it still the general consensus that 1-Dhea >Sarms such as ostarine or rad 140 or yk 11?
netflixNchill
Well-known member
Not knocking Andros, but there isn't even a comparison when you compare 1-andro to RAD140, YK11, or LGD4033
Ostarine, however, is a good comparison with 1-andro
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
The actual SARMs (and you'd have to check if the ones you mentioned *are* Selective - lots of stuff gets lumped into the SARM category that isn't) have direct actions. 1-DHEA requires you to have (and enough of) the right enzymes to convert it *twice* to the target. It works, as shown in the Texas study, but I'd say the stuff you mentioned would be considered "stronger". Of course, you're taking your health into your hands with some/a lot/all of those = Experimental. IMO even making it to Phase III is a long way from 10's / 100's of thousands or more, people taking Testosterone based stuff (1-Test, Nor-Test etc...) for decades.
clayboy_123
Member
Anyone have any opinions on red supplements Growth vs Olympus labs uk sup3r1 vs rad 140?
YamahaC76
Member
Does this mean 4-andro is what users would be looking for if they already used ostarine twice? What about 4-Andro and Tbol?
Transhuman
Member
Don't listen to Gemelli, he's a scam artist only interested in selling his ridiculously overpriced products.
HAMinTheTrap
Member
can you link that video? thanks