My first PH run

Kregal

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I am 6 days into a PH cycle and want to make sure I have the proper PCT. This mainly is to help me rest assure I have everything in place as I feel I am doing this too last minute as is.

Goal of this post:

1.) Gain valuable insight of my research and plan from community
2.) Not get bashed that I am wasting my time and money and not doing the real thing (I know I am but I am just not ready)
3.) Engage is good conversation with veterans who know there stuff
4.) NAIL down my PCT to ensure no HPTA shutdown, libido stays normal and gyno is prevented (yea I know, I want my cake and eat it too :-))
5.) Receive feedback about my post, how it could be better and what types of posts get good feedback

Goal of this cycle:

1) Experience a pro hormone (again I know, should of just ran the test in my closet but it just isn't the right time, I travel for work and schedule is random)
2) Re-comp my body and cut up, any muscle gains would be just considered a plus

Below is the layout:

Week 1 - 8:

- LG Sciences 1 Andro 300mg ED
- IML 4 Andro 300mg ED
- LG Sciences Liquid Epi Andro 1.3 ml 3xED
- Lecheek Cycle Support
- Optimum Multi
- PES Genoflex
- Joint Support including MSM, Glucosamine and Apresflex

Week 9 - 12: (I have a lot going on below so I have bolded the staples, the rest of the stuff is up for question)

- Clomid 50/25/25/25
- LiquidStane (forgot protocol of top of my head)
- Optimum Multi
- PES Genoflex
-Joint Support including MSM, Glucosamine and Apresflex

Stats:

Height: 6ft 3"
Weight: ~215lbs
BF: 13%

Macros:

P: ~300g / 1200 calories
C: ~400g / 1600 calories
F: ~100g / 900 calories

Total 3700 (keep in mind I play basketball 4 times a week so I need the K's)
 
I'd get a serm and run a four week pct. Are you running the super mandro and andro the giant stack?
 
LeanEngineer said:
I'd get a serm and run a four week pct. Are you running the super mandro and andro the giant stack?
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I am going to run a SERM since I had one on deck. Can you comment on my updated plan and provide any advice? Also I have a friend who hasn't bought his OTC PCT items in addition to his SERMS. Do you have a rep code for strong supp shop? I'll be sure to give it to him and show him this thread if you can help him out too.

Thanks in advance.
 
Kregal said:
I am going to run a SERM since I had one on deck. Can you comment on my updated plan and provide any advice? Also I have a friend who hasn't bought his OTC PCT items in addition to his SERMS. Do you have a rep code for strong supp shop? I'll be sure to give it to him and show him this thread if you can help him out too.

Thanks in advance.
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That looks better now that you have a four week pct. you probably don't need the rebirth if you're going to run clomid but thats just my opinion. Also I don't have a code:( but keep an eye out in the supplement deals section on here and sometimes musclemaker will post one.
 
Clomid dosing 50/50/25/25 would be better, don't need all those otc products you listed, one would suffice, but it can't hurt to be safe
 
Is this a log? Super curious about 1,4, and epi andro cycles. Before and after pics would be awesome if you can. Good luck though, I'm excited to see how it goes.
 
T-Bone said:
You don't need the Rebirth, HcGenerate, Diesel Test or the "Alphamale".
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Thank you for the input. I didn't think so hence why it was in question. Appreciate the input!

Do you see value in any or are they all really just nice to haves but given the SERM not required?
 
polarcat said:
Is this a log? Super curious about 1,4, and epi andro cycles. Before and after pics would be awesome if you can. Good luck though, I'm excited to see how it goes.
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Yes this is a log. I tried to post pics. They where too big though. I need to re-size them and I will put them up.
 
Kregal said:
I am 6 days into a PH cycle and want to make sure I have the proper PCT. This mainly is to help me rest assure I have everything in place as I feel I am doing this too last minute as is.

Goal of this post:

1.) Gain valuable insight of my research and plan from community
2.) Not get bashed that I am wasting my time and money and not doing the real thing (I know I am but I am just not ready)
3.) Engage is good conversation with veterans who know there stuff
4.) NAIL down my PCT to ensure no HPTA shutdown, libido stays normal and gyno is prevented (yea I know, I want my cake and eat it too :-))
5.) Receive feedback about my post, how it could be better and what types of posts get good feedback

Goal of this cycle:

1) Experience a pro hormone (again I know, should of just ran the test in my closet but it just isn't the right time, I travel for work and schedule is random)
2) Re-comp my body and cut up, any muscle gains would be just considered a plus

Below is the layout:

Week 1 - 8:

- 1 Andro 300mg ED
- 4 Andro 300mg ED
- Epi Andro 1.3 ml 3xED
- Lecheek Cycle Support
- Optimum Multi
- PES Genoflex
- Joint Support including MSM, Glucosamine and Apresflex

Week 9 - 12: (I have a lot going on below so I have bolded the staples, the rest of the stuff is up for question)

- Clomid 50/25/25/25
- LiquidStane (forgot protocol of top of my head)
- Rebirth BLR (standard dose)
- HCGenerate (or similar cheaper alternative - only if necessary as this is a rip off but I really want to ensure the boys stay plump)
- Diesel Test or Alphamale XT (I want to ensure libido sticks around)
- Optimum Multi
- PES Genoflex
-Joint Support including MSM, Glucosamine and Apresflex

Stats:

Height: 6ft 3"
Weight: ~215lbs
BF: 13%

Macros:

P: ~300g / 1200 calories
C: ~400g / 1600 calories
F: ~100g / 900 calories

Total 3700 (keep in mind I play basketball 4 times a week so I need the K's)
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With that much activity are you sure your eating enough? We are very similar in size and I find myself well beyond the envelope every other month or so
 
What brand is your 1-andro? If lg sciences with its unique delivery system i would back down to 200mg imo..
 
TheMovement said:
With that much activity are you sure your eating enough? We are very similar in size and I find myself well beyond the envelope every other month or so
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Good point, basketball is ending so I have been slowly tapering down. I play golf all summer so I am transitioning into that phase of life. I will be burning about 800 calories less per week in 3 weeks when my seasons are over.

Also, contrary to what I just said, I will increase if hunger increases but at the moment I am eating myself until I am beyond full. I assume my appetite will be going up once the PHs start to kick in.
 
criticalbench said:
What brand is your 1-andro? If lg sciences with its unique delivery system i would back down to 200mg imo..
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Thank you for your feedback, this is exactly the type of information I was looking for. It is LG. A friend of mine gave it too me as he knows the gentleman who owns it. That is what led me to doing this whole stack.

If you don't mind me asking, why would I lower the dosage?

I read on an IML forum if stacking all three andros to take 200mg of 1 and 200mg of 4 per day and the standard epi andro dose. I just upped it to 300mg because I heard more experienced users take higher dosages and that is also where it seems to be more effective. I know I am not experienced with taking PH but have however been doing extensive research on PH and AAS ever since I watched Bigger, Faster, Stronger a few years back.

I should add I have been holding off on this for a while now. :approve:
 
Can anyone else comment on the dosage and why it would differ between brands?

My 1-andro is LG
4-andro is IML
Epic andro is LG

Also I haven't started the 4 yet. Since lethargy is kicking in I am going to start tomorrow night.
 
HCG is fadogia and ain't gonna do nothing for the boys like real HCG so I'd just use it for libido , clomid is change to 50/50/25/25 , I personally had good results in pct by dosing clomid 100 for the first three days the first week . The boys will come back don't worry bud
 
Well HCGenerate is to $ for my taste. And running real HCG during the cycle is out of scope as well as running it with PCT. I've read you don't run it PCT.

I was thinking of incorporating a homemade formula of LG100 or just buying it. Would that suffice for libido? Could I instead of LG run something like Diesel Test or Alphamale to cover libido?

Lastly should I expect to lose libido and ball size? I thought the epi andro and 4-andro will keep libido high. (So maybe this doesn't cover testicle fullness).

I'd assume given the half life of these products I would be able to mitigate any issues by immediately adding libido support via test booster first day of pct. Please critique my methodology here.
 
Also who has experience with similar stacks while working in an office setting. For the next 12 weeks I will traveling all around the country and interviewing multiple clients. If folks think it is better to not do this cycle while being subjected to vigorous, stressful deadlines please share.

I personally have had no issues handling these situations in the past. But I'm concerned the clomid could make me break down at the wrong time and effect my job. Am I over thinking this? If not and people suggest this could be an issue I may put this whole thing on hold.
 
Hpta suppression happens no matter what when you take exogenous hormones to a degree , this degree depends on the person the compound and length of cycle. Your nuts may shrink some on cycle they may not but that's what pct is for with a serm
 
Given my proposed cycle what would the typical suppression look like? And with that being said should I have something on deck to mitigate this? If so what?
 
To what level of suppression you'll experience I will have no idea but I can tell you the most suppressive compound you're running will be the 1 andro . You just need to accept the possibility for such a short cycle and then pct with a good quality serm . Just the way of the game .
 
I was trying to prevent the lady from being affected by the side effects because I told her this is all safe with minimal sides. Hope I don't look stupid. She is stubborn so the fact I look phenomenal won't please her. She's more worried about my health and not supportive.
 
So my girlfriend wants me to stop since she is worried. I want to respect her and stop.

I am 8 days into 1 andro and epi andro. 1 day into 4 andro.

I was thinking of bridging into:

ARA
PA
ABE
Alphamax XT
Form XT
Normal join supps, multi, fish oil

Lastly, how do folks cycle off this natty stuff? I assume PCT isn't needed.
 
Kregal said:
So my girlfriend wants me to stop since she is worried. I want to respect her and stop.

I am 8 days into 1 andro and epi andro. 1 day into 4 andro.

I was thinking of bridging into:

ARA
PA
ABE
Alphamax XT
Form XT
Normal join supps, multi, fish oil

Lastly, how do folks cycle off this natty stuff? I assume PCT isn't needed.
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Well what do YOU want?
 
Kregal said:
Well HCGenerate is to $ for my taste. And running real HCG during the cycle is out of scope as well as running it with PCT. I've read you don't run it PCT.

I was thinking of incorporating a homemade formula of LG100 or just buying it. Would that suffice for libido? Could I instead of LG run something like Diesel Test or Alphamale to cover libido?

Lastly should I expect to lose libido and ball size? I thought the epi andro and 4-andro will keep libido high. (So maybe this doesn't cover testicle fullness).

I'd assume given the half life of these products I would be able to mitigate any issues by immediately adding libido support via test booster first day of pct. Please critique my methodology here.
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U can run only 2 DIESEL TEST Tabs a day (1am and 1 mid-day) and libido and balls will bounce back.
 
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