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Epistane Furazan 4 andro stack

Lats_Man

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Hey everyone,

I made a post about this over the summer but caught up in school and traveling. I finally have my time and finance in order and will be biting the bullet on ordering the rest of what I need today.

Currently on hand I have what I need to run:

Epi: 30/30/30/30
Furazan: 150/150/150/150
and 30 capsules of original IML 4-andro at 50mg each

My plans for cycle assist are CEL and multis+fish oil

PCT I'm planning:
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
OL Sup3r PCT

Now I need to order more 4-andro but can't find IML so I need some recommendations on what will work nicely with that as a test base as well as the dosing. Also I was told before that adding letrone could be a good idea.

Really don't wanna butcher this cycle as I had a bad/uneducated experience with some Msten in the past which resulted in some mild gyno on one side.

Any advice is much appreciated and will be ordering today!
 
4 andro dosage seems low, epistane dosage is good, but if you have enough I would try extending it another week or two.
 
Have aromasin on hand incase estrogen problems arise, which you sound prone to as you got mild gyno from methylstenbolone. Taurine is a good supplement to throw into your supports
 
I'm pretty sure the furaza is really low. Not sure if you will even notice it while taking epi. PCT looks good.
 
Everything here is dosed low(ish) but its 3 compounds, I'd try it as you have it here man, better use the furaza now with epi than try that small dose solo
 
For this stack I agree,
Most prefer it at 45 solo

I've seen a number of logs at 60, some higher, lol, but not recommending that whatsoever
 
Having a hard time finding any more bottles of 4-andro since they switched it to the super 4-andro. Any recommendations for an alternative test base or is it really necessary since this cycle is pretty mild?
 
Lats_Man said:
Having a hard time finding any more bottles of 4-andro since they switched it to the super 4-andro. Any recommendations for an alternative test base or is it really necessary since this cycle is pretty mild?
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I felt shutdown on epistane at week three because I ran no test base...The low dose 4-andro might be enough tbh, but dermacrine would probably be my first recommendation
 
zagsfan20 said:
I'm a first time epi user and plan on using 40mg. Is that too much?
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It was not uncommon to see weeks 1-2 done on 30, and dose ramped to 40+ for the rest, as a way to assess as you go.

His suggestion of 30mg ED is good too

I have seen plenty of guys do well on that as a first cycle, but ask yourself how competent you feel with your diet and training first, as that dictates results on a cycle as well.
 
You can find some AMS 4-ad RDE tabs for pretty cheap. Take 3-4 tabs spaced out 4 hours each per day.

Or you could try EPG, LG, Black Stone Labs 4-ad that all use the liposomal delivery system. I'd rather go with something that uses that over straight 4-ad.

What's probably best is just using 4-ad transdermal from primeval labs or alpha gainz.
 
anab0lix said:
You can find some AMS 4-ad RDE tabs for pretty cheap. Take 3-4 tabs spaced out 4 hours each per day.

Or you could try EPG, LG, Black Stone Labs 4-ad that all use the liposomal delivery system. I'd rather go with something that uses that over straight 4-ad.

What's probably best is just using 4-ad transdermal from primeval labs or alpha gainz.
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Agreed, our 4-Andro TD would make an ideal base for this stack!
 
Went ahead and ordered Dermacrine as a base. Only thing I'm waiting on now is my nolva to come in the mail and sup3r pct to be back in stock and I should be good to go!

One thing I'm wondering about the letrone is wether or not I should go ahead and run it while on cycle or save it for pct. I read some about people doing 5 days on 2 days off throughout the entire cycle+pct. This doesn't seem like a bad idea especially after reading some horror stories of Dermacrine and gyno on here.
 
Lats_Man said:
Went ahead and ordered Dermacrine as a base. Only thing I'm waiting on now is my nolva to come in the mail and sup3r pct to be back in stock and I should be good to go!

One thing I'm wondering about the letrone is wether or not I should go ahead and run it while on cycle or save it for pct. I read some about people doing 5 days on 2 days off throughout the entire cycle+pct. This doesn't seem like a bad idea especially after reading some horror stories of Dermacrine and gyno on here.
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I would save the letrone and only use it on cycle of estrogen problems arise, otherwise just maybe run in pct
 
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