Please help with planning epi / tr3st cycle

PaulHahrrgis

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Hello, all. I am planning to run an epistane / tr3 st bulking cycle and would appreciate some feedback.

Little background, I'm a 29 year old male. Started lifting many years ago, but had no idea what I was doing. Got some very good gains from being a newbie and eating like a horse but that's really it, I was weak, followed bs magazine workouts, and paid no attention to diet. had a decent first year, then struggled with consistency due to injuries and schedule conflicts, a recurring theme, unfortunately.

About 3 years ago I started to get serious. Began squatting and deadlifting for the first time, as well as a few other exercises like bent over barbell rows and barbell bench presses. Did it consistently for about a year or a bit more and got some good strength and muscle gains, before more injury and schedule issues happened.

My cycle history is brief. In about April of 2013 I ran 6 weeks of halodrol for a nice little recomp, lost fat and gained several pounds of kept muscle. Then in July of 2015 I ran 8 weeks of ostarine on a cut, seemed to help with strength and a bit of leaning out. scale weight stayed about the same but i looked a bit tighter.

I am recovering from some elbow and wrist issues right now that, combined with a godawful work schedule kept me out of the gym since the end of my osta run. Lifts are down right now because of that and me not wanting to push too hard too fast and re-injuring myself, but I believe in a couple weeks ill have them back up to what they were around my osta run. My work schedule is solid and will continue to be for the next several months, which I plan to take full advantage of with diet, training, and supplementation.

My lifts at their best, which was about 2 years ago, and before my last layoff, which i think i will be back to within a couple weeks:
Bench 275 x 5, 235 x 5
Incline Bench 225 x 10, 185 x 10
Squat 335 x 5, 240 x 5
Deadlift 395 x 5, 355 x 5
Bent row 255 x 5, 225 x 5
Seated dumbell overhead press 100 x 5-8 (can't recall exact number of reps), 75 x 12
Weighted chins 50 x 4-6, bodyweight x 6-10

so you can see there is a big dropoff and i really want to get back up

I haven't been able to bulk in a couple years because when you're laid off with injury or your work and school schedule make the gym take a back seat, you cant really be in a surplus. so it's time I got back to trying to build some damn muscle instead of just trying to not lose any.

So here is what I have:
180 epistane pills at 10 mg each
120 pills of OL tr3st 25 mg each
2 bottles arm1care
Sup3r PCT on the way

I plan to pick up exemestane for an a.i. and clomid for PCT

So I would just like some feedback on my planned cycle, please.

Preload with ar1micare for 2 weeks
epi 40 mg for 45 day
tr3st 75 for 40 days, starting day 5 of epi (only have 120 pills)

pct
clomid 50/50/25/25
Sup3r PCT

I was wondering about my on-cycle protection, especially for avoiding gyno. With the plan I have proposed, would it be best to have exemstane on hand to use as needed, or should I dose 25 mg eod from the beginning? With epi and tr3st should I automatically be using the gyno protection protocol of ralox 60 mg ed and exemestane 12.5 mg eod or would that be overkill to use unless symptoms developed? And should the exemestane be continued into PCT?

Thank you very much for reading and I appreciate any feedback. Feel free to ask more questions if some things were not clear. Thanks!
 
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Your cycle looks good. You could maybe start the first week of Epi @ 30 to ease into it, but it's not necessary. You could also bump to 50 for the last weel if you have enough pills. If you are seeing good gains @ 40, just stay there.

Ralox or Nolva would be great to have on hand for on cycle protection. Having Exemestane on hand is a great idea too. I would not start dosing the Exemestane if you don't need it. Only use the protection if you need to. I am on TD Trest right now and using Exemestane @ ~ 6.25 mg 3 x per week (Mon/Wed/Sat) as a preventative measure. If I see any issues with Estradiol sides, I will add in 10mg Nolva EOD or E3D. The epistane should help in this regard and your dose (of Trest) is low so I would not push the Exemestane hard unless you need to. There is no point killing most of the aromatase enzyme in your body and you are asking for trouble by doing that.

You may consider adding in some joint support supplements for on cycle. Everything else looks solid.
 
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gonna need something for joint support epistane is a dry compound and if you already have issues might wanna pick up msm atleast
 
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gonna need something for joint support epistane is a dry compound and if you already have issues might wanna pick up msm atleast
He has trest, should be more than enough to offset any dryness the epistane causes ;)
 
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Very pleased with epistane/trest cycle. I'm at the end of 5 week and gained 10kg.
My cycle:
Ep1stane OL 30/45/45/45/45/45
Oral Tr3st OL 50/50/75/75/100/100
Liver protect + hawthorne berry + saw palmetto (2 weeks preload and till pct)
Td formestane from the 2 week of cycle at low dose
Cabergoline from the 2 week of cycle at 0,5 e3d
My pct
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Sup3r pct
Ep1c Unleashed
Td formestane starting past serm
Here some picture at the 5 week
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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/276728-work-progess-my.html
 

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Hey, guys, thanks so much for the feedback. I forgot to mention, in addition to plenty of good fats in my diet I will be taking fish oil. I figured between that and the tr3st my joints should be ok, and I can always bump up the fish oil. I'll also take vitamins, sam-e, and taurine for back pumps.

Alright, I'll have the stane and rolax on hand to be used as-needed, and the clomid for PCT. Should the stane be run in / after PCT for rebound gyno, or is that another case of "run as-needed"?

Thanks again, and anyone else feel free to chime in as well!
 
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Hey, guys, thanks so much for the feedback. I forgot to mention, in addition to plenty of good fats in my diet I will be taking fish oil. I figured between that and the tr3st my joints should be ok, and I can always bump up the fish oil. I'll also take vitamins, sam-e, and taurine for back pumps.

Alright, I'll have the stane and rolax on hand to be used as-needed, and the clomid for PCT. Should the stane be run in / after PCT for rebound gyno, or is that another case of "run as-needed"?

Thanks again, and anyone else feel free to chime in as well!
Trest at 75mg you probably won't need an ai, especially with the epistane helping to mitigate estrogen sides. Hold on the the exemestane unless you get any high estrogen sides, if they occur just jump on 12.5mg of exemestane every other day. Adjust as needed.
 

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OK, thanks so much, I'll start my ar1micare tomorrow and epi on the 25th
 
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Just a thought that you could taper up the Trest dose to make it last the full 6 weeks. 50/75/75/75/75/75. Also if you don't use the Exem on cycle, you could consider low dosing it like 12.5 mg EOD or even every 3rd day to reduce the high estrogen levels after SERM discontinuation and lessen your chance of rebound. These are just other options. These guys are experts and have given you excellent advice.
 
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I Will do the same cycle next month..
Epistane ol 30/45/45/45/45/45
Tr3st ol 50/50/75/75/100/100
Ar1macare pro ol 2 week pre-load at full dosage and full dosage during cycle. Formestane from the second week of the cycle.
Pct
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Super pct ol
Ep1c unleashed ol
 

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Just a thought that you could taper up the Trest dose to make it last the full 6 weeks. 50/75/75/75/75/75. Also if you don't use the Exem on cycle, you could consider low dosing it like 12.5 mg EOD or even every 3rd day to reduce the high estrogen levels after SERM discontinuation and lessen your chance of rebound. These are just other options. These guys are experts and have given you excellent advice.
Thanks, will definitely consider that, definitely will be paying close attention for gyno and other estrogen sides.
 

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I Will do the same cycle next month..
Epistane ol 30/45/45/45/45/45
Test ol 50/50/75/75/100/100
Ar1macare pro ol 2 week pre-load at full dosage and full dosage during cycle. Formestane from the second week of the cycle.
Pct
Clomid 50/50/25/255
Super pct ol
Ep1c unleashed ol
Nice cycle. Have you run either compound before? Will you keep a log in here?
 
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Just a thought that you could taper up the Trest dose to make it last the full 6 weeks. 50/75/75/75/75/75. Also if you don't use the Exem on cycle, you could consider low dosing it like 12.5 mg EOD or even every 3rd day to reduce the high estrogen levels after SERM discontinuation and lessen your chance of rebound. These are just other options. These guys are experts and have given you excellent advice.
Exemestane excellent at raising LH and Test production past SERM in pct. Do not "consider" doing this...DO THIS
 

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Hey guys, just a couple more quick questions.

I will be lifting 6 days per week. Sunday-wednesday I'll get up 8:00-8:30. Workout will start about 11:15 p.m. Bed 2:00-2:30 a.m. Thursday and Friday workouts will be in late morning or early afternoon. Saturdays will be rest day.

My question is about the recommended dosing times. I was planning to split the epi pills evenly throughout the day. Wasn't sure about tr3st, I heard it should be taken multiple times per day due to short life, but also that it should be taken preworkout. So should I take 25 MG with my first or second epi and 50 preworkout sunday-Wednesday? Then reverse that for Thursday -Friday? Or just split the 3 pills evenly? And has anyone heard of sleeping trouble due to taking it late? I will likely take some sleep aids.

Thanks!
 
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gonna need something for joint support epistane is a dry compound and if you already have issues might wanna pick up msm atleast
Been doing trest/epi earlier, and in the middle of the same cycle now. Trest is a pretty wet compound, so joints are good. No problem.
 
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Just a thought that you could taper up the Trest dose to make it last the full 6 weeks. 50/75/75/75/75/75. Also if you don't use the Exem on cycle, you could consider low dosing it like 12.5 mg EOD or even every 3rd day to reduce the high estrogen levels after SERM discontinuation and lessen your chance of rebound. These are just other options. These guys are experts and have given you excellent advice.
Great advice.
 
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Exemestane excellent at raising LH and Test production past SERM in pct. Do not "consider" doing this...DO THIS
YES,that's very right. Did 14 days of exemestane in my last pct, and kept a lot more gains too.
 
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Hey guys, just a couple more quick questions.

I will be lifting 6 days per week. Sunday-wednesday I'll get up 8:00-8:30. Workout will start about 11:15 p.m. Bed 2:00-2:30 a.m. Thursday and Friday workouts will be in late morning or early afternoon. Saturdays will be rest day.

My question is about the recommended dosing times. I was planning to split the epi pills evenly throughout the day. Wasn't sure about tr3st, I heard it should be taken multiple times per day due to short life, but also that it should be taken preworkout. So should I take 25 MG with my first or second epi and 50 preworkout sunday-Wednesday? Then reverse that for Thursday -Friday? Or just split the 3 pills evenly? And has anyone heard of sleeping trouble due to taking it late? I will likely take some sleep aids.

Thanks!
Split them evenly. Been taking the last pill 2 hours before sleep, and no sleeping problems.
 

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What dosage of formestane did you use thinking of running the same cycle and also how long did you use formestane for
 

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