Need some opinions on a first cycle

Zizoinho

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Hello everyone,

I have been a long time reader of AM and I just wanna say thanks to everybody for this great and educational community, it's very informative and I definitely learned a lot.

Before I start with my main question, I have been researching supplements and gear for 3+ years so I promise you that it's not an overnight deicision or another case of a beginner who is impatient about gear and stuff, I have been training for 4+ years and have made mistakes of course and learned a lot through experience, internet and the amazing people on here and other forums as well.

I am going to do a cycle and of course to keep it simple I was going to start with 500 mg test e for 10-12 weeks with proper pct and what not. I also have LGD 4033 that I was going to run at some point and two bottles of LEGIT halodrol (yes, legit). So my question is, since your first cycle is always the best one ever and you dont want to mess it up, if I run halodrol or lgd first then TEST E later on as a different cycle, how will the gains be compared to as if I had started with test e?

How should I go about using those amazing compounds that I have on hand to make the most gains possible? I am talking about organization here of course, like how should I go about organizing those cycles?

How different will the gains be from each compound if ran as a first cycle? I am asking for rough estimates of course, nothing is set in stone and depends on many factors.

Another question, I am prone to acne (sadly), how bad would it be on Test e?

And another question lol how much should a vial of test cost on average? I have a local source but it's VERY expensive compared to how much I'd buy online, although I know it's the real deal (guaranteed) so what should I do in this case? It's about $115 a vial of 10 ml -_-



Thank you guys and gals in advance, much appreciated!
 
First off welcome
Some stats eg age,height lbs etc may help
1.Why not kickstart and/or finish the Test E with one/both compounds (I only know AAS not PH so you will have to wait for a ph experienced member)

2.I think your Test was a little expensive

3.Acne might be a problem but washing with special soap 2x a day should suffice

4.What Does your on cycle support supps and PCT look like?
 
jakz said:
First off welcome
Some stats eg age,height lbs etc may help
1.Why not kickstart and/or finish the Test E with one/both compounds (I only know AAS not PH so you will have to wait for a ph experienced member)

2.I think your Test was a little expensive

3.Acne might be a problem but washing with special soap 2x a day should suffice

4.What Does your on cycle support supps and PCT look like?
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Thanks Jakz, I appreciate your response.

Stats:
Age: 21 (a little young, I know)
Weight: 186-188 at ~ 12% bf
Waist: 33.25 (naturally blocky waist)
Height: 5'10"

Been training since I was 16, however, I have been an athlete my whole life (thank God) and played professional soccer when I was younger. Been reading and educating myself on training, supplements, AAS for those years of training with more emphasis during the past 3 years.

If I were to do a TEST-E cycle it would be very basic:

Weeks 1-12 Test e 250mg shot twice a week (500mg)
Weeks 1-4 (LGD for a jumpstart)

A-dex 0.25 mg EOD during weeks 1-15

PCT starts week 14 (After two weeks of last injection) and will be NOLVA 20 mg ED for 6 weeks while tapering it down during the last week or so.

If I was to do Halo:

I'd preload my cycle support 2 weeks prior starting the cycle and take my cycle support through the whole cycle and probably even during pct. And I would be taking liv 52 in addition or Tudca.

My cycle would be like: 50/75/75/75/75/75

PCT: Nolva- 20/20/10

For acne, I dont mind getting zits on my body, I just dont wanna get those little devils on my face lol and soap will not work cuz my face is extremely sensitive.

And honestly for a first cycle, I rather keep it simple, I won't stack Halo with test-e, it would be overkill and sides would outweight the results imo..

What do you gentlemen think?
 
10ml test usually costs $20-40 for UG.
 
Zizoinho said:
Thanks Jakz, I appreciate your response.

Stats:
Age: 21 (a little young, I know)
Weight: 186-188 at ~ 12% bf
Waist: 33.25 (naturally blocky waist)
Height: 5'10"

Been training since I was 16, however, I have been an athlete my whole life (thank God) and played professional soccer when I was younger. Been reading and educating myself on traing, supplements, AAS for those years of training with more emphasis during the past 3 years.

If I were to do a TEST-E cycle it would be very basic:

Weeks 1-12 Test e 250mg shot twice a week (500mg)
Weeks 1-4 (LGD for a jumpstart)

A-dex 0.25 mg EOD during weeks 1-15

PCT starts week 14 (After two weeks of last injection) and will be NOLVA 20 mg ED for 6 weeks while tapering it down during the last week or so.

If I was to do Halo:

I'd preload my cycle support 2 weeks prior starting the cycle and take my cycle support through the whole cycle and probably even during pct. And I would be taking liv 52 in addition or Tudca.

My cycle would be like: 50/75/75/75/75/75

PCT: Nolva- 20/20/10

For acne, I dont mind getting zits on my body, I just dont wanna get those little devils on my face lol and soap will work cuz my face is extremely sensitive.

And honestly for a first cycle, I rather keep it simple, I won't stack Halo with test-e, it would be overkill and sides would outweight the results imo..

What do you gentlemen think?
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Honestly, I don't think LGD is strong enough to make a good kick starter. I wouldn't bother. I would do halo over LGD for sure. Definitely a good first cycle. You probably wouldn't have any sides.

I would set up my PCT something like this:
Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Test booster (if funds allow)
x/x/x/x
Reduce XT (Cortisol control)
0/0/3/3/3/3

You said you would run nolva for 6 weeks but then only listed out 3 weeks. You are gonna run a 6 week PCT right?
 
warbird01 said:
Honestly, I don't think LGD is strong enough to make a good kick starter. I wouldn't bother. I would do halo over LGD for sure. Definitely a good first cycle. You probably wouldn't have any sides.

I would set up my PCT something like this:
Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Test booster (if funds allow)
x/x/x/x
Reduce XT (Cortisol control)
0/0/3/3/3/3

You said you would run nolva for 6 weeks but then only listed out 3 weeks. You are gonna run a 6 week PCT right?
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Thanks a lot brother. And yes sir, 6 weeks. The 3 weeks would be for a standalone halo cycle. So you think it would be a good idea to kick start things with halo as a first cycle? And how would you go about doing that?
 
Do Test E cycle first,your base looks good..remember to eat,lift and sleep you will grow
 
Agree with warbird01 about LGD being too weak/not good for a kick starter. First 4 weeks isnt really noticable in terms of effects. 12 weeks at 500 is plenty, even without kick. And yeah 10ml test UG 30-40, pharma grade should be 'round 50-60ish.
 
jakz said:
Do Test E cycle first,your base looks good..remember to eat,lift and sleep you will grow
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Awesome! Thanks jakz.

DonnieM said:
Agree with warbird01 about LGD being too weak/not good for a kick starter. First 4 weeks isnt really noticable in terms of effects. 12 weeks at 500 is plenty, even without kick. And yeah 10ml test UG 30-40, pharma grade should be 'round 50-60ish.
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Thanks bro! I dubbed my local lol he is nuts for thinking I'm gonna pay $350 for 3 vials
 
If you are concearning about ball shrinking and sperm count reduction you should also run HCG, say 500iu/week split in two injections, till the last day before PCT
 
$115 for 10mL of test is absurd. I've paid anywhere from $40 to $65 for UGL test E, and have a source for pharm grade test e which is $100. Someone's also sold me their 20mL vial of test C for $25
 
Zizoinho said:
Hello everyone,

I have been a long time reader of AM and I just wanna say thanks to everybody for this great and educational community, it's very informative and I definitely learned a lot.

Before I start with my main question, I have been researching supplements and gear for 3+ years so I promise you that it's not an overnight deicision or another case of a beginner who is impatient about gear and stuff, I have been training for 4+ years and have made mistakes of course and learned a lot through experience, internet and the amazing people on here and other forums as well.

I am going to do a cycle and of course to keep it simple I was going to start with 500 mg test e for 10-12 weeks with proper pct and what not. I also have LGD 4033 that I was going to run at some point and two bottles of LEGIT halodrol (yes, legit). So my question is, since your first cycle is always the best one ever and you dont want to mess it up, if I run halodrol or lgd first then TEST E later on as a different cycle, how will the gains be compared to as if I had started with test e?

How should I go about using those amazing compounds that I have on hand to make the most gains possible? I am talking about organization here of course, like how should I go about organizing those cycles?

How different will the gains be from each compound if ran as a first cycle? I am asking for rough estimates of course, nothing is set in stone and depends on many factors.

Another question, I am prone to acne (sadly), how bad would it be on Test e?

And another question lol how much should a vial of test cost on average? I have a local source but it's VERY expensive compared to how much I'd buy online, although I know it's the real deal (guaranteed) so what should I do in this case? It's about $115 a vial of 10 ml -_-



Thank you guys and gals in advance, much appreciated!
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In my opinion, if you want to keep it simple, I would start with one compound and see how you do. If you use multiple compounds and something goes sideways, you're going to have a hard time figuring out what caused the problem.

I am not saying that the advice given so far is bad, it's not. The guys on this board know their stuff, they are always keep to help, and they are not pushing products. I myself have learned a lot by reading on here. My point is that they are more experienced, so they may give advice that is a little more advanced. I would recommend starting with LGD alone, which is probably the milder of the compounds you listed and see how you respond. There is a lot that is user dependent. Just my two cents.
 
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