Research on Various Nootropics

Thanks for all the help guys.

Got my stack thrown together and everything on order.

-bacopa 50% (600mg am)
- L Theanine (200mg am)
- ashwaghanda 2.5% withanolides (1g am)
-hup a (200mcg am)
-aniracetam (500mg am)
-Noopept (15-30mg am)

All powders will be mixed into my morning cup of coffee.

Last question:

Do I NEED a choline source?
 
You want one with aniracetam. You may go a couple days being fine, but there is nothing fun about the headache you'll eventually get. Also, you want it with fat.
 
tyga tyga said:
Thanks for all the help guys.

Got my stack thrown together and everything on order.

-bacopa 50% (600mg am)
- L Theanine (200mg am)
- ashwaghanda 2.5% withanolides (1g am)
-hup a (200mcg am)
-aniracetam (500mg am)
-Noopept (15-30mg am)

All powders will be mixed into my morning cup of coffee.

Last question:

Do I NEED a choline source?
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You're going to want a choline source. If you're on a budget, go with choline bitartrate (2g). It's really cheap, will provide you with the choline you want when you're taking a racetam, and even has a study showing some cognitive-type benefits in healthy young adults.

The bacopa dose seems high. If you're going with a 50% bacoside extract, 330mg is enough (165mg bacosides).
The ashwagandha dose is good, although some people prefer splitting it into 2 doses, but that's preference really.
 
When does Aniracetam peak? 2hrs after ingestion? Trying to time this for an interview..
 
Is 150-300mg Alpha GPC generally enough to stave off headaches from 20-30 mg doses of Noopept?
 
Noopept causes headaches? I didn't know this. Which Noots tend to give headaches, just the racetams/Noopept?

I have some on the way but I'll be taking it with FXT and that should cover me for choline source.
 
carmaf said:
Noopept causes headaches? I didn't know this. Which Noots tend to give headaches, just the racetams/Noopept?

I have some on the way but I'll be taking it with FXT and that should cover me for choline source.
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High doses of Noopept deplete choline I believe. That's why people supplement with Choline to combat it.
 
ma70 said:
High doses of Noopept deplete choline I believe. That's why people supplement with Choline to combat it.
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Ok thanks you helped me avoid a bad situation due to ignorance
 
carmaf said:
Ok thanks you helped me avoid a bad situation due to ignorance
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I plan on using Noopept for a pre-workout focus boost so I made sure to read a lot of things before using it. Wouldn't want to miss a workout cause of a headache...
 
Noopept hasn't gave me any headaches. Although, I use focus xt as my pre workout 4x a week...
 
Well let's see if acute benefits are prominent. My choline bitartrate is coming this afternoon so I used my focus xt instead.

Interviews 1030 today for a position with a state agency for land reclamation and air pollution (I'll act as a liaison)

Took;
1 rounded scoop focus xt
200mg l-theanine
300-350mg bacopa
1g ashwaghanda
750mg aniracetam

^ drank that about 10min ago (740am) in another 20 minutes I'm going to take 30mg Noopept nasally

*PS mixing those powders in my focus xt and drinking that.. Was not pleasant lol Pina colada didn't taste so good
 
tyga tyga said:
Well let's see if acute benefits are prominent. My choline bitartrate is coming this afternoon so I used my focus xt instead.

Interviews 1030 today for a position with a state agency for land reclamation and air pollution (I'll act as a liaison)

Took;
1 rounded scoop focus xt
200mg l-theanine
300-350mg bacopa
1g ashwaghanda
750mg aniracetam

^ drank that about 10min ago (740am) in another 20 minutes I'm going to take 30mg Noopept nasally

*PS mixing those powders in my focus xt and drinking that.. Was not pleasant lol Pina colada didn't taste so good
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Sounds sexy. Please let me know how that stack works out for you and also how it compares to just FXT alone.
 
Small burst of what felt like energy (focus xt) with some mental clarity that lasted maybe 45min. Right now there is a subtle calming effect with minute clarity/focus.

The clarity/focus isn't any different then when I take the Noopept by its self.
 
tyga tyga said:
Small burst of what felt like energy (focus xt) with some mental clarity that lasted maybe 45min. Right now there is a subtle calming effect with minute clarity/focus.

The clarity/focus isn't any different then when I take the Noopept by its self.
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Do you take all 1g Ashwagandha at the same time?
 
tyga tyga said:
Well let's see if acute benefits are prominent. My choline bitartrate is coming this afternoon so I used my focus xt instead.

Interviews 1030 today for a position with a state agency for land reclamation and air pollution (I'll act as a liaison)

Took;
1 rounded scoop focus xt
200mg l-theanine
300-350mg bacopa
1g ashwaghanda
750mg aniracetam

^ drank that about 10min ago (740am) in another 20 minutes I'm going to take 30mg Noopept nasally

*PS mixing those powders in my focus xt and drinking that.. Was not pleasant lol Pina colada didn't taste so good
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Best of luck on the interview bruh!
 
ma70 said:
Does it have any different benefits/effects compared to splitting it? (either 250 per dose, 500 per dose, etc)

Never dosed more than 500mg at once, so I'm curious.
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Nor have I and not sure I would to be honest with ya.
 
tyga tyga said:
Small burst of what felt like energy (focus xt) with some mental clarity that lasted maybe 45min. Right now there is a subtle calming effect with minute clarity/focus.

The clarity/focus isn't any different then when I take the Noopept by its self.
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OK this sounds great bc I have FXT and Noopept but none of the other stuff. That seems to be the winning combo anyways.

ELROCK said:
Best of luck on the interview bruh!
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I 2nd this. Good luck!
 
Interview went well. Thanks for the well wishes guys.

Anyhow, my night time relaxation will be;

100mg l-theanine
275mg bacopa
500mg ashwaghanda

I know bacopa doesn't have sedating effects but for cumulative cognitive enhancement I need to atleast at the bare minimum 500mg bacopa daily.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I regularly take 5-600mg KSM-66 at once. It seems that some people react differently to ashwagandha; I've heard some people say it makes them tired, while it gives other people energy.
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You take 5 caps of 600mg KSM-66 at once or
You take 500-600mg of KSM-66 at once?
 
tyga tyga said:
Interview went well. Thanks for the well wishes guys.

Anyhow, my night time relaxation will be;

100mg l-theanine
275mg bacopa
500mg ashwaghanda

I know bacopa doesn't have sedating effects but for cumulative cognitive enhancement I need to atleast at the bare minimum 500mg bacopa daily.
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I'm glad it went well man.

What % bacosides bacopa extract are you using again?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm glad it went well man.

What % bacosides bacopa extract are you using again?
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275 @ @50% so 137.5 bacosides.

I was reading last night that 300-500mg bacosides is where you start reaping the benefits.. Correct me if I'm wrong bud. I'm still a noob to all of this
 
tyga tyga said:
275 @ @50% so 137.5 bacosides.

I was reading last night that 300-500mg bacosides is where you start reaping the benefits.. Correct me if I'm wrong bud. I'm still a noob to all of this
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Based on the research, you really only need 165mg bacosides (300mg at 55% is commonly used in the studies). One study did use 165mg bacosides for people under 90kg, and 247.5mg for people over 90kg. Another study noted acute effects with bacopa supplementation at 176mg bacosides and 352mg bacosides (there's links to studies on the first page of this thread).
 
What else would you add to my current stack for acute benefits?

-aniracetam
-L theanine
-choline bitartrate (only using 1g btw)
-bacopa
-ashwaghanda
-Noopept

Maybe rhodiola?

And there is a definite difference between 1g ashwaghanda and 500mg. The bolus dose was better. Increased clarity and decisiveness with the 1g. Haven't notice anything with the 500mg dose.
 
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tyga tyga said:
What else would you add to my current stack for acute benefits?

-aniracetam
-L theanine
-choline bitartrate (only using 1g btw)
-bacopa
-ashwaghanda
-Noopept

Maybe rhodiola?

And there is a definite difference between 1g ashwaghanda and 500mg. The bolus dose was better. Increased clarity and decisiveness with the 1g. Haven't notice anything with the 500mg dose.
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Rhodiola would be good.

Is there a reason you're only using 1g choline bitartrate? Have you tried 2g?

American ginseng has a study or two showing acute benefits, but I haven't tried it yet. Panax ginseng has similar acute studies as well. I don't have much experience with either though.

Zembrin can be useful for helping with anxiety, but I'm not sure about cognition per se.

It looks like you have a pretty good stack.

Maybe add some ornithine if you're having it with caffeine, since there seems to be some synergism there.
 
Haven't tried 2g choline yet. Looking and the least amount (grams) to use that'll keep headaches at bay.

I'll look at ornithine
 
Nice to see some info and industry awareness of these products... We (Antaeus) have a solid combo of some of these in our latest product, PSyche:
Per cap (120 per container), suggested dose is ~2 caps
Phosphatidylserine 50% 300mg
Ornithine 100mg
Caffeine 35mg

Notice how these doses match up with the publications posted:
PS: publications use 200mg or 400mg, we use a whooping 600mg per dose (assuming 2 caps)
Ornithine: publications use 400mg or 200mg, we use 200mg (this was the dose in the study that found synergism with caffeine)
Caffeine: great range obviously, but the aforementioned study that examines it's interaction with ornithine uses 100mg, we use 70mg. I presume everyone takes extra caffeine anyhow...

Simple formulation without a dozen ingredients or any type of whack blend. Despite this, it has a strong basis on literature and believe me, you can feel it work.
 
kisaj said:
I'd always recommend rhodiola (3:1). It is great in a stack or as a solo supplement.
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What do you think of ceretropics super rhodiola? If you don't mind looking at it. I may order rhodiola
muscleupcrohn said:
I only mention the 2g since a study noted acute benefits with 2g. Choline bitartrate is pretty cheap.
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Literally after I wrote my previous post, I got a mild headache. Took another 1.5g after and headache went away
 
kisaj said:
I'd always recommend rhodiola (3:1). It is great in a stack or as a solo supplement.
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I just picked up NOW Rhodiola. It's 3% rosavins and 500mg per cap. I'm planning on adding it to my pre workout (Metabolic nutrition E.S.P) and taking it in the mornings. What's the dosage you recommend? I only have taken rhodiola in pre workouts before, dosage would around 150-200mg
 
hewhoisripped said:
Nice to see some info and industry awareness of these products... We (Antaeus) have a solid combo of some of these in our latest product, PSyche:
Per cap (120 per container), suggested dose is ~2 caps
Phosphatidylserine 50% 300mg
Ornithine 100mg
Caffeine 35mg

Notice how these doses match up with the publications posted:
PS: publications use 200mg or 400mg, we use a whooping 600mg per dose (assuming 2 caps)
Ornithine: publications use 400mg or 200mg, we use 200mg (this was the dose in the study that found synergism with caffeine)
Caffeine: great range obviously, but the aforementioned study that examines it's interaction with ornithine uses 100mg, we use 70mg. I presume everyone takes extra caffeine anyhow...

Simple formulation without a dozen ingredients or any type of whack blend. Despite this, it has a strong basis on literature and believe me, you can feel it work.
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Glad to see Henry in the mad lab again. Will have to take another look at your offerings again, always enjoy stacking AL's quality raws with SNS's.

I've been meaning to try the βAIBA and the 7,8-dihydroxyflavone from your modular line. Will have to do soon.
 
Has anyone tried the new(er) rhodiola rosea extract called RhodioLife (only product I can find with it solo so far is by Dr Mercola...so it's overpriced)? It seems to be standardized to 3% rosavins, 1% salidrosides and comes in a dosage of 340 mg (which is the dose commonly used in the SHR-5 studies). I'm thinking about giving it a try to compare with the Gaia rhodiola.

Here's a link to the write-up on the extract - Invalid Link Removed
 
Marketing. They aren't selling anything different than you can find out on the market for what would likely be much cheaper. Essentially they are trying to pitch the normal ratio naturally found in Siberian rhodiola as unique to their product with pretty pictures. Save your money or just order a sample pack and compare.
 
kisaj said:
Marketing. They aren't selling anything different than you can find out on the market for what would likely be much cheaper. Essentially they are trying to pitch the normal ratio naturally found in Siberian rhodiola as unique to their product with pretty pictures. Save your money or just order a sample pack and compare.
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Good point. I do sometimes fall for fancy marketing and pretty pictures. :)
 
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