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Viron questions

It's fun. Don't know if you have taken tongkat products, but this is definitely one of the best.
 
ahh123 said:
I'd recommend you combine it with Formeron cause increased free test levels from Viron will eventually convert to estrogen so not much use to just take Viron to eventually finish with increased estrogen. I'm testing Viron/Formeron stack for 4 weeks now and doing 5 days on/2 days off and 2on/1off/2on/2off variations and stuff definitely works. I started first 5 days on just taking 1 cap of Viron upon waking and on day 3 I already felt light discomfort off my nipples but on day 2 of adding Formeron this feeling disappeared. After few days on 2 pumps of Formeron I also noticed extra dry mouth especially at evening and during the night so stuff is working. I also notice increased heart rate and Formeron also gives me some times messed up unpleasant dreams but overall for libido boost this stack is great. Also erection quality is enhanced on Viron alone.
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How is your mood well being on these going?
 
Now into last week of pct after a cut short epi/5alpha run. Using viron (5/2) with daa (plus nolva). Added formeron at 2 pumps in third week. Felt e was getting a bit too low for me so went to one pump. All sweet now feeling good. Will carry on the Viron and form after pct until bottle is empty.
 
Alasel said:
How is your mood well being on these going?
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I'd say as with most things - key is your overall life quality, your environment, diet, sleep, exercise then any supplement can add extra benefit to your current state or sometimes enhance your bad zone.

Overall Viron + Formeron I found beneficial for mood and libido effects also sleep erections are enhanced.

But if you don't have a girl to use this benefits on her then better save this stack for future hehe.
 
brundel said:
Yes Viron can be used on cycle but to answer the second part of this question I would need more information. A "cycle" is not a universal term.
You can cycle creatine and you can cycle anadrol so there are differences depending on the cycle your running.
Here is some info regarding Viron

VIRON
High grade Eurycoma longifolia (EL) extract plus Boron citrate

Eurycoma longifolia Jack (Tongkat ali, Pasak bumi) is a plant native to Indonesia, Maylasia, Thailand, and vietnam. Raw plant material and extract have been used for centuries as a tonic for libido and sexual function. Studies indicate that it has tons of properties beneficial to the bodybuilder or weight trained athlete. Anyone who trains seriously knows what testosterone is and its vital importance to performance, strength and muscle gain not to mention libido and confidence and everything male. Lots of people don’t realize though that much of your Total testosterone is bound up and unusable. The majority of your test is bound to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin). SHBG is a glycoprotein that binds to sex hormones, androgen and estrogen. Anything bound by SHBG is not available to bind to androgen receptors which is where we want it. EL raises testosterone levels, helps to manage estrogen, reduces cortisol and improves quality of life. Not all EL is equal though and we took great care to ensure we have the best possible extract that is only used by us. Many El products are fake, poor extracts or even just ground up plant material. Some are spiked with drugs like viagra or stimulants which may be harmful to your health. Our EL is the highest possible quality and will always be the best EL available for any price.
EL has been shown to have the following potential effects:


  • Boosts testosterone
  • Increases luteinizing hormone
  • Promotes erection
  • Reduces SHBG
  • Increases Free testosterone
  • Decreases cortisol
  • Decreases estrogen
  • Increased muscle mass
  • Improved sexual performance
  • SERM properties

EL is a star component to Viron but it’s not alone. We also include 10mg Boron citrate.

Boron is a natural trace mineral that many people are deficient in. Boron has the potential to increase your FREE testosterone to levels high enough to create an abnormally anabolic environment. Even if your total testosterone levels are in normal ranges if your free test is very high it will be similar to total test being super high as its the free portion that really matters.
BORON CITRATE PROPERTIES INCLUDE


  • Increases Free testosterone
  • Increased DHT
  • Increased Vitamin D
  • Decreases inflammation
  • Increased muscle mass
  • Improves joints
  • Strengthens bones
  • Reduces estrogen
  • Lowers plasma lipid levels and enables removal of cholesterol through various means.
  • Enhanced cognitive function. Hand eye coordination, Short term memory and concentration.

Viron is a great supplement for:

On natty supp cycles to keep test levels up and for the huge increase in free T. Also just for the added health benefits of both EL and Boron.
Off cycle for increased test levels and to keep SHBG low. Lots of guys like to take EL year round for its mood and libido enhancing properties and many people are boron deficient.
It is especially good for PCT. You could run the Viron and Formeron for PCT with no other additions. Post cycle your system is a mess. Aside from the obvious benefit in PCT of raising test and free test EL acts like a SERM similar to tamoxifen (novadex). In addition you get reduced inflammation and improved lipid profile (lipids are normally extremely bad after any oral steroid or prohormone). Furthermore you will benefit from the reduction in cortisol and general mood improvement everyone needs during PCT.

Combines with Formeron it makes a perfect PCT.


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Hey Brundel,

Im using formeron as an AI at the moment and im really happy with it..
I been reading up on Viron and I wanted to ask you if I could do Viron and formeron for my pct? Simply using them two alone and nothing else.. also how long would you reccomend to run them for pct..
 
goodlife said:
Hey Brundel,

Im using formeron as an AI at the moment and im really happy with it..
I been reading up on Viron and I wanted to ask you if I could do Viron and formeron for my pct? Simply using them two alone and nothing else.. also how long would you reccomend to run them for pct..
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Yes sir you could use Formeron and Viron for your PCT.
I would do 1 pump am+ 1 pump PM
and 1 Viron AM and 1 viron PM. 5 days on 2 off with the Viron.

4 Weeks.
 
Question. Just got viron today. When should I feel the effect for what Viron is advertised to possibly do?

Boosts testosterone
Increases luteinizing hormone
Promotes erection
Reduces SHBG
Increases Free testosterone
Decreases cortisol
Decreases estrogen
Increased muscle mass
Improved sexual performance
SERM properties - what the rationale here?

Have formeron. Noticed it in 3 days. How about Viron?

Thanks,
TTWSUFree
 
It varies. I notice it very fast in a couple of days. Others have reported up to a couple of weeks. That is not a Viron thing, it is the nature of tongkat.

I can say that I have been out for about 4 weeks now and am really noticing it. Libido is still pretty normal considering all the stress in my daily life, but I don't get the consistent thoughts in my head when a girl passes. Tongkat brings that on very noticeably.
 
How long can I run Viron? I'm running it 5 on 2 off. I looked at some other tongkat threads and don't really see how long of a cycle you can run it before a break is needed.
 
Indefinitely, there is no reason you would have to stop other than maybe resetting yourself so you get the initial feeling back that comes from cycling a supplement. It remains effective regardless.
 
kisaj said:
Indefinitely, there is no reason you would have to stop other than maybe resetting yourself so you get the initial feeling back that comes from cycling a supplement. It remains effective regardless.
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This is awesome! I'm on my 4th week and am loving this stuff. I'm probably gonna run this 4 months on two off then.
 
I don't know if you get labs or are TRT, but I am and Viron raised my already pretty good free test even more on my last labs. I normally run around 25-27 (5.0-40.0 pg/ mL scale) and post Viron labs have me at 34 on 6/12/2014 and 35 on 9/24/2014.

To push to the top of the physiological range with an OTC is pretty damn cool.
 
I'm almost 37 and am not on any TRT. I plan on doing bloods soon. Maybe next month just to see where I am with Viron in my system.
 
I started Viron yesterday and have been running follidrone and formeron for about 2 months now and I'm noticing that the folli really help maintain muscle definition and stay lean. I'm excited to see what Viron adds to my already good run.
 
Having Free Test high is key.
Add that to the Formeron and Follidrone cycle and I cant really imagine a better or more effective non steroid cycle.
The other thing is you can pretty much stay on these year round.
Id cycle the Formeron but the FD and V can be a year round staple.
 
That's great to know. Could you explain to me the benefits of the 5 on 2 off or 4 on 3 off protocol that some are following for Viron? Is there an optimal time to dose Viron for maximal effectiveness?
 
There is no requirement, but most people seem to find benefit with keeping the initial alpha feeling and the overall "feel" of it with a small weekly cycle. I've tried it everyday and it still works just fine, but when I take a few days off and come back, I get the "hell yeah" feeling.
 
Damn good info here folks!
 
Question for Brundel. Say someone is for sure shutdown. Been running trest for a while now and had low T going into the trest use. Would Viron be of any use since I have very little to zero total test? I am unsure if perhaps Viron would be better used after running something like clomid to get endo test production back up and running. What do you think?
 
I was going to ask this same question. I have Viron and Letrone on hand, and I'm just finishing up an 8 week cycle of LGD, 4Andro, and Stano...I'm going to start Nolva at 20/20/10/10/5...when should I mix in my Viron, Letrone etc? I see that some wait until after pct, while others include in their pct. Any help appreciated.
 
Also my LGD dosage was 5mg a day for 8 weeks. 4 andro was 150 mg a day for 6 weeks, and Stano was 600mg a day for 4 weeks.
 
Some wait two weeks from serm some use it directly with it. Me personally I like to run it all at the same time.
 
SSshooter said:
Would you take Rebirth, Viron & Letrone all at the same time and would you do it WITH or WITHOUT food?
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You could take them all at once, but I would split them up a bit. Take Letrone and Rebirth in the AM on an empty stomach and Viron 30-40 minutes prior to workouts. Rebirth could also be taken before bed or vice versa with Letrone. Taking Letrone before bed would blunt some of the appetite increase if you're trying to restrict calories.
 
Jebrook said:
You could take them all at once, but I would split them up a bit. Take Letrone and Rebirth in the AM on an empty stomach and Viron 30-40 minutes prior to workouts. Rebirth could also be taken before bed or vice versa with Letrone. Taking Letrone before bed would blunt some of the appetite increase if you're trying to restrict calories.
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Thank you for your quick response!

Also, is there a reason why it doesn't say take it with an empty stomach on the bottles?
 
Because it will be digested regardless. The difference in effects is probably only marginal. I like taking on an empty stomach because I "feel" it more. With Letrone in particular, you will notice the increased hunger from Ghrehlin release more with an empty stomach IMO.
 
Jebrook said:
Because it will be digested regardless. The difference in effects is probably only marginal. I like taking on an empty stomach because I "feel" it more. With Letrone in particular, you will notice the increased hunger from Ghrehlin release more with an empty stomach IMO.
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Quick responses. Informative answers.
Now we'll see how BLR's products turnout!

Strongsupplments were quick with responses as well
but after the 2nd-3rd email they stopped.

That's what lead me to this site and this community.

Good customer service skills goes a long way!
Keep up the great work Jebrook!
 
SSshooter said:
Quick responses. Informative answers.
Now we'll see how BLR's products turnout!

Strongsupplments were quick with responses as well
but after the 2nd-3rd email they stopped.

That's what lead me to this site and this community.

Good customer service skills goes a long way!
Keep up the great work Jebrook!
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Hey thank you man. Glad I could help. Feel free to hit me up anytime by pm or tag me in threads for a quicker response. AM is a great community. Glad to have you here. Keep us posted on how your run goes. Cheers.
 
Jebrook said:
You could take them all at once, but I would split them up a bit. Take Letrone and Rebirth in the AM on an empty stomach and Viron 30-40 minutes prior to workouts. Rebirth could also be taken before bed or vice versa with Letrone. Taking Letrone before bed would blunt some of the appetite increase if you're trying to restrict calories.
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So I'm running Viron with Exotherm and Follidrone. I do one pump of Ex, 3 x a day. One cap of Viron in the am and Folli, one on non workout days and 2 pre on workout days. Couple of questions......
Should I take Viron with pre workout on workout days? Does this matter? What's the 1/2 life on Exotherm? Can I do 2 pumps in the am so I don't have to take it to work with me? Is one Folli ok on non workout days, or should I go with two split up? Thanks
 
DWeaver said:
So I'm running Viron with Exotherm and Follidrone. I do one pump of Ex, 3 x a day. One cap of Viron in the am and Folli, one on non workout days and 2 pre on workout days. Couple of questions......
Should I take Viron with pre workout on workout days? Does this matter? What's the 1/2 life on Exotherm? Can I do 2 pumps in the am so I don't have to take it to work with me? Is one Folli ok on non workout days, or should I go with two split up? Thanks
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Sorry for the late response bro. For some reason my notifications aren't working very well lately.
I don't know the exact half-life of Exo, but dosing twice in the AM would be fine and once in the evening an hour before bed or so. With two apps at once be sure to spread over a larger area. I've done both ways and the difference was not noticeable. Viron taken 30 minutes to an hour pre-workout would give a little boost in the gym maybe but it not required. I'd focus on getting the Folli pre-workout. You can do the 5 on 2 off dosing if you want. It'll make the run last a little longer. Might take a little longer to kick in but should work just fine if you stay consistent with it. Follidrone has a lot of ergogenic health benefits that make every day dosing optimal but the most important dose is the pwo IMO. The longer you can run it the better it will work. 8 weeks is optimal.
 
Jebrook said:
Sorry for the late response bro. For some reason my notifications aren't working very well lately.
I don't know the exact half-life of Exo, but dosing twice in the AM would be fine and once in the evening an hour before bed or so. With two apps at once be sure to spread over a larger area. I've done both ways and the difference was not noticeable. Viron taken 30 minutes to an hour pre-workout would give a little boost in the gym maybe but it not required. I'd focus on getting the Folli pre-workout. You can do the 5 on 2 off dosing if you want. It'll make the run last a little longer. Might take a little longer to kick in but should work just fine if you stay consistent with it. Follidrone has a lot of ergogenic health benefits that make every day dosing optimal but the most important dose is the pwo IMO. The longer you can run it the better it will work. 8 weeks is optimal.
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Can I go longer than 8 weeks with Exo? Thanks for the feedback.
 
DWeaver said:
Can I go longer than 8 weeks with Exo? Thanks for the feedback.
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Sure can. I would do it with caution though. I had joint issues after 9 so I cycled off for a while. 10-12 weeks max I would say as long as you watch for low estrogen signs. You will need a good break eventually unless on TRT year round.
 
halfhuman said:
Our products are all effective and top notch.
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Been a long time out of the forum, s****ty time i must say. Now i'm on Triazole, Alivel 3x100 (high quality Eurycoma extract with 3 % eurycomanone, loving it) and Butea Superba extract for 20:1. Been 2 weeks running it, and i'm returning from black Xanax time...However, one week ago Viron has arrived, and i want to use it after the Triazole-Alivel cycle. Sorry for bad english, but i have one question: do you know what is the standardization process for Eurycomanone in Viron? that would explain a lot for me. Thanks in advance ;)
 
brundel said:
Having Free Test high is key.
Add that to the Formeron and Follidrone cycle and I cant really imagine a better or more effective non steroid cycle.
The other thing is you can pretty much stay on these year round.
Id cycle the Formeron but the FD and V can be a year round staple.
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Hi Brundel, i was asking for the Eurycomanone extract of your Tongkat Ali sources used in Viron. Do you know the standardization?thanks in advance, don't want to be irritating but i want to know what i 'm swallowing :) thanks in advance sorry for poor english :)
 
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