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JudoJosh

JudoJosh

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I have been away from the forums and supplements for a while now. What is the latest new thing for those who want to gain size but dont wanna go down the DS/SARMS/AS road yet? Is anabeta still king? What are the other contenders for this category?
 
Main players atm are phosphatidic acid, -epi, ara and Anacyclus Pyrethrum. Maybe foskolin to?

Something new i have found to be very awesome is evomuse BMP.
 
Focus XT. Mad gainz
 
With the addition of Cistamax to AnaBeta Elite, for sure one of the best.

Still IMO for natty gains:

AnaBeta Elite
ArA
Magnitropin
PA

What's the last stack you've ran Josh?
 
Anyone pm me or direct me to the best deal for PA, AnaBeta Elite, or Magnitropin. Would definitely like to give one a shot. I loved the first gen anabeta elite. Is the new one better?
 
SurferDude said:
Anyone pm me or direct me to the best deal for PA, AnaBeta Elite, or Magnitropin. Would definitely like to give one a shot. I loved the first gen anabeta elite. Is the new one better?
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The newest release of AnaBeta Elite is quite improved just with the Cistamax addition.

PEScience Cyber Monday sale. Keep your eye out. Can't say what it includes, but you'll want to check into it.
 
kbayne said:
The newest release of AnaBeta Elite is quite improved just with the Cistamax addition.

PEScience Cyber Monday sale. Keep your eye out. Can't say what it includes, but you'll want to check into it.
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When it released? Dammm
 
Ostarine is wicked though. on week 4 right now strength is amazing fullness is great, no libido issues or anything so far. got Erase Pro+ lined up for pct and will be grabbing some AnaBeta Elite (New ver) on cyber monday to run during pct with my serm. it's perfect for cutting to since im in a deficit and have been getting stronger and recovering faster to. added 10kg+ to my Flat bench work sets (6-8 reps) @ 85-80% of my 1rm. and everything else have improved to, squats have added 3-4 reps to all my work sets of 315. only thing that's stayed the same is my deadlifts but gained more reps on my 75-60% days of 200kg - 6-7 reps from 4-5 reps. pretty happy overall but AnaBeta Elite and Ep1c Unleashed are great natty choices
 
jgntyce said:
What would you recommend to take for 4 weeks to continue with the muscle building during the ABE time off?
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Cover your staples with Ergonine. 9 proven myogenic or ergogenic ingredients for under $1 per day. You could also use any other product that works through a different pathway (ArA, -Epi, PA, etc.)
 
jathan_howe said:
Cover your staples with Ergonine. 9 proven myogenic or ergogenic ingredients for under $1 per day. You could also use any other product that works through a different pathway (ArA, -Epi, PA, etc.)
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Yes sir. E9 is already a staple for me, so I take it year round. PA is also a staple for me as well.
 
jathan_howe said:
Do you take your PA in the form of soy lecithin granules? I plan on trying it soon and am curious about your experience with it
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Yes I do. 2 scoops pre and 2 scoops post workout. Fearns is the brand that I use. I am considering taking muscle tech phosphamuscle, however.
 
jgntyce said:
Yes I do. 2 scoops pre and 2 scoops post workout. Fearns is the brand that I use. I am considering taking muscle tech phosphamuscle, however.
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I'm interested in the post-dose. It's to my understanding that it needs exercise induced stress to work so all doses pre seems optimal
 
dougeefreshh said:
Does ara (x gels) need to be cycled?
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50 day run, I assume either 1 month off or 50 days off. ArA takes a while to deplete in the system. It usually sticks around for two weeks with effects still in full swing. I'd take 45 days off at least. It'd be roughly a month after it should be out of your system in such a concentration.
 
jathan_howe said:
I'm interested in the post-dose. It's to my understanding that it needs exercise induced stress to work so all doses pre seems optimal
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Because that's what Wilson et. al. did in the study:

The PA group received 750 mg of soy-derived PA (Mediator®, Chemi Nutra, White Bear Lake, MN) per day, while the PLA group received 750 mg of rice flour, each delivered in 5 visually identical capsules. On RT days, participants consumed 450 mg of their respective supplement 30 minutes prior to RT and 300 mg immediately following RT with 24 g of hydrolyzed collagen protein powder from beef skin (Peptiplus XB agglomerated, Gelita AG, Eberbach, Germany) mixed with 500 ml water. The protein supplement was provided in order to ensure control for post-exercise meals between groups and hydrolyzed collagen was chosen as an incomplete protein source low in leucine (3.2 weight%). On non-RT days, participants consumed 450 mg of their respective supplement with breakfast and the remaining 300 mg with dinner.
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I am reading on yk11 and mk677 and they seem nice. I will post when use them. there soo much new stuff out now it makes me dizzy sometimes. alot is crap so do alot of research first.
 
Auslifter said:
Ostarine is wicked though. on week 4 right now strength is amazing fullness is great, no libido issues or anything so far. got Erase Pro+ lined up for pct and will be grabbing some AnaBeta Elite (New ver) on cyber monday to run during pct with my serm. it's perfect for cutting to since im in a deficit and have been getting stronger and recovering faster to. added 10kg+ to my Flat bench work sets (6-8 reps) @ 85-80% of my 1rm. and everything else have improved to, squats have added 3-4 reps to all my work sets of 315. only thing that's stayed the same is my deadlifts but gained more reps on my 75-60% days of 200kg - 6-7 reps from 4-5 reps. pretty happy overall but AnaBeta Elite and Ep1c Unleashed are great natty choices
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Erase pro is your pct? No serm?
 
Auslifter said:
Ostarine is wicked though. on week 4 right now strength is amazing fullness is great, no libido issues or anything so far. got Erase Pro+ lined up for pct and will be grabbing some AnaBeta Elite (New ver) on cyber monday to run during pct with my serm. it's perfect for cutting to since im in a deficit and have been getting stronger and recovering faster to. added 10kg+ to my Flat bench work sets (6-8 reps) @ 85-80% of my 1rm. and everything else have improved to, squats have added 3-4 reps to all my work sets of 315. only thing that's stayed the same is my deadlifts but gained more reps on my 75-60% days of 200kg - 6-7 reps from 4-5 reps. pretty happy overall but AnaBeta Elite and Ep1c Unleashed are great natty choices
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What does are you running it at?
 
jgntyce said:
What would you recommend to take for 4 weeks to continue with the muscle building during the ABE time off?
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Magnitropin
ArA

Justlooking5 said:
AnaBeta vs. HMB-FA and why?


I guess I'm not clear on the mechanisms of Anabeta
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Both very different products really.

AnaBeta Elite is more geared towards being a natural anabolic, adding mass, strength, and aiding in recovery.

HMB-Fa is more geared towards recovery, while being able to train more frequent, leading to greater strength. Also, I wouldn't recommend HMB-Fa unless you train very intense or are in an over-reaching phase in your training. HMB-Fa seems to really shine for those needing help with recovery if training is on point.

dougeefreshh said:
Does ara (x gels) need to be cycled?
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Yes. Dose it 50 workout days followed by 4 weeks off.

1.5 grams is the sweet spot. 2 grams if you can afford it.
 
jake1986 said:
Erase pro is pretty much aromasin, isn't it?
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Nah, not at all. I described Erase pro + in detail here before:

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"Erase Pro + contains KSM-66, Boerhaavia diffusa, Uncaria Tomentosa, and Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid. KSM-66 (read about it here: Invalid Link Removed) has data showing it has excellent anxiolytic properties (great for stress), and that it can significantly increase testosterone levels in healthy men. It can also increase the endurance of both elite athletes and normal humans. Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid is an aromatase inhibitor with research showing it leads to a decrease in estrogen, an increase in adiponectin (a hormone that keeps insulin sensitivity high), and acts as a PPAR agonist, acting as an anti-obesity agent. Boerhaavia diffusa has the ability to reduce blood glucose, hormone optimization by effectively managing levels of estrogen and cortisol, and acts as a natural diuretic (leading to a muscle hardening effect). Uncaria Tomentosa has data showing it is a natural selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). In addition, it has data showing it is an effective anti-inflammatory ingredient that improves symptoms of joint pain."
 
Auslifter said:
20mg / 8 weeks. however im considering going maybe extending it to 10 or 12. but i think 8 will do for now. got a good amount of OL Ostarine on hand. am using Prime evil labs Super Osta currently though.



nope.
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What does your pct cycle look like?
 
Auslifter said:
Clomid

50/50/50/50/50

Aromasin

0.5mg ED

Supps

Erase Pro+
AnaBeta Elite
EP1C Unleashed
Forskolin 95+
Ergonine


after pct

ABE
LJ100
Myo Elite
BMP
XGELS
EP+
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Taper off the clomid ( 50/50/25/25 ) this will help prevent estrogen rebound after the serm is discontinued.
 
thanks will do then :) i was going to run for 5 weeks? so you think do 50/50/50/25/25 instead? or should 4 be enough
 
Auslifter said:
thanks will do then :) i was going to run for 5 weeks? so you think do 50/50/50/25/25 instead? or should 4 be enough
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4 weeks should be plenty imo. For mild osta cycles I usually reccomend only 3 weeks ( because of the minimal effects sarms have on lh and fsh ) so 4 will definitely have you covered.
 
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