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Trenavar, Epistane recomp log - with tons of pills, drops and lotions

hairygrandpa said:
Day 39

Decided to pull the plug on this cycle.

Pro:
-Lost fat around waist and upper body

Cons:
-Lethargy
-no strength gains
-libido roller coaster
-night sweats
-insomnia
-elevated BP
-joint pain

What I learned is:

-Dermacrine probably is a good test base for a mild cycle, thinking of a longer Ostarine run -or RAD. It's not sufficient for harsher PH's.
-Trest could be a good test base, would try the TD version next time, because of orals short half life
-Epistane can be a joint killer
-Trenavar -or Trenbolone is not for me, sides outweighs benefits, will stick to Ostarine for recomp
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What made you want to cut it short? What it the BP sides?
 
CJNator said:
What made you want to cut it short? What it the BP sides?
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It was not a short cycle, I finished almost 6 weeks. The insomnia makes my life miserable.
My knees are killing me, BP got above 160 and I don't want to take Beta Blockers, as they come with nasty sides ( for me) too, like panic attacks.

Will keep taking Trest at 90mg for the next 4 days to see if joint pain subsides and will begin front-loading creatine for PCT.
It will be the first time I'm using Clomid in PCT and I'm worried the sides will turn me into a little girl.
 
hairygrandpa said:
It was not a short cycle, I finished almost 6 weeks. The insomnia makes my life miserable.
My knees are killing me, BP got above 160 and I don't want to take Beta Blockers, as they come with nasty sides ( for me) too, like panic attacks.

Will keep taking Trest at 90mg for the next 4 days to see if joint pain subsides and will begin front-loading creatine for PCT.
It will be the first time I'm using Clomid in PCT and I'm worried the sides will turn me into a little girl.
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Man I'm loosing track of time, yea 6 weeks isnt short. Damn that all sounds horrible. Let's hope the pct doesn't make you feel like a little girl lol.
 
Finish:

Even though I notice a difference, I'm not satisfied with the results, I guess the sudden strength loss and the insomnia affected my workout quality.


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Let's see what happens during PCT. Will watch very closely what I eat to not bounce back.
 
Okay, here my pics after PCT and without the Trest-Bloat:

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PCT was:
Clomid 200/150/50/50
Nolva 40/30/20/20
Rebirth 0/0/0/on/on/on/on
HMB 3g x day

Final thoughts:

It was the worst cycle ever what sides concerns. I still have problems with my knees and attribute it to the Epistane.
 
Dma378 said:
How are you feeling other than the knees? Recover good? What are your thoughts on the HMB?
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I feel like a million bucks now I'm off-cycle (besides the knees).
My recovery went smooth. No hard erection for the first 3 weeks, after dropping Clomid, libido got up. HMB is a MUST IMHO.

For PCT I created my own training routine, it's now like this:

- each set to failure with at least 10 reps, chased by a drop set to failure
- lots of chin-ups and pull-ups
- lots of dips

Most importantly, I do NOT look at the weights, meaning, I do not go heavy, just chasing the pump.
I'm very happy with this new routine and will stay on it for a while.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I feel like a million bucks now I'm off-cycle (besides the knees).
My recovery went smooth. No hard erection for the first 3 weeks, after dropping Clomid, libido got up. HMB is a MUST IMHO.

For PCT I created my own training routine, it's now like this:

- each set to failure with at least 10 reps, chased by a drop set to failure
- lots of chin-ups and pull-ups
- lots of dips

Most importantly, I do NOT look at the weights, meaning, I do not go heavy, just chasing the pump.
I'm very happy with this new routine and will stay on it for a while.
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I'm also a true believer in the HMB now. Just stopped taking it last week, but have a couple bottles of the FA form to use in next pct and beyond. I ran it for 12 weeks.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I heard it's not effective while restricting calories, that's all. I kept cals high in PCT.
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I just remember Bill Phillips from EAS hyping it up in his magazine muscle media 2000 in the 90's...everybody tried it and mostly it didn't live up to the hype
 
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